Evidence for "Dead body in the Damn Car"

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Was there a "dead body in the dam car?"

  • I am convinced that there was a "dead body in the dam car"

    Votes: 328 95.3%
  • I am somewhat certain that there was "dead body in the dam car"

    Votes: 13 3.8%
  • I am not sure what the bad smell was but it could be human, animal or food

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • I'm somewhat certain that the smell was not a "dead body in the dam car"

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm convinced that the smell was either food or a squirrel but not a "dead body in the dam car"

    Votes: 2 0.6%

  • Total voters
    344
  • Poll closed .
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Oh, for Pete's sake. Do you know how the person killed himself inside the car? Did he take a bullet to the head? How long was he in the car before being discovered? What time of the year was it?

The car thedeviledadvocate is referring to, was in the yard on the opposite end at the same time as the Pontiac Casey drove. The decendent remained in his car after taking his own life for 5 days. Simon was not sure how he had committed suicide when asked, just that he was found in the car.
SB described the Anthony car as having a "very similar odor."
 
If the smell originated from Tony's garbage, why was it necessary for KC to invent the "two dead squirrels" story?
 
If a Homicide Detective talks abt decomposition in any sense of the word, odds are he's not talking about his household garbage...or an animal.

ETA-bold

Well then he should say human decomp when he is on the stand. IMO
 
If the smell originated from Tony's garbage, why was it necessary for KC to invent the "two dead squirrels" story?

And if originated in his trash can, I am going to assume he had to call in the professionals to get the smell out of his apartment...:waitasec:
 
Given all of the evidence I have seen thus far, Caylee was either placed in KC's car trunk dead or died in it. Thus far, I haven't seen any evidence that proves Caylee was alive and walking around during the month her mother was "looking for Caylee" by partying...coupled with her earlier obvious lies and inability to prove to her parents that there was actually a nanny...with a bat phone no less...it is very obvious to assume one of the following: On or about the 16th of June (early morning hours or afternoon if the Walmart story can be cooberated) KC intentionally caused the death of Caylee and threw her dead body in the trunk (where Caylee remained until she was dumped like trash on the side of a road) and later disposed of her near a place Casey used to hang out with friends OR Casey wanted to hang with Tony, couldn't find a babysitter (where was the fictious Zanny on this evening...the hottie who babysits for free) duct taped her mouth shut and threw her in the trunk, alive, so Casey could enjoy her date with her flavor of the month and awoke the next day to discover Caylee had died in said trunk. One of two. Nothing that I have read suggests that soddi took Caylee and Casey was so afraid of this soddi that she lied to protect Caylee and her family.

Casey was living it up and partying like it was 1999 when Caylee was gone. Casey is about Casey.

No way that some squirrel, pizza, combination of, bacon, ect...did all of that to her car trunk.

What saddens me enormously is that this is all about justice for Caylee...CAYLEE...not delaying the obvious punishment and retribution and mercy (should KC even want forgiveness) for KC. This is about a dead child. Not about a self-absorbed mother. It is not about KC. It is about what was done to Caylee. It is about Caylee. Casey deserves to rot. She is so "upset" by the loss of Caylee that she is gaining weight not losing it.
And by all witness accounts (that we know of)...Caylee was last seen alive with Casey...no one else. I suppose it's just one of those wild coincidences that she dumped the car that smelled like decomp.
 
I think you are correct, and just before opening the trunk he whispered under his breath please don't let Caylee be in there, or something to that effect. He was obviously concerned about the odor before he opened the trunk, and he was relieved when he didn't find Caylee. The tow yard guy then grabbed the white trash bag and said "there's your smell" or something like that. In his depo GA said he heard the maggots making a popping sound in the white trash bag.

IIRC, the maggots were found on material outside the white bag, as if it had been sitting in something. There was no presence of bugs inside the garbage bag, probably as there was no food found inside it, mostly wrappers.
 
The car thedeviledadvocate is referring to, was in the yard on the opposite end at the same time as the Pontiac Casey drove. The decendent remained in his car after taking his own life for 5 days. Simon was not sure how he had committed suicide when asked, just that he was found in the car.
SB described the Anthony car as having a "very similar odor."
Thanks...I was kinda making that very point (obviously not that clearly-lol). We're now rating smells...unbelieveable.
 
The following are snips from the report that I posted a link for in my two previous posts.

Air Sampling Summary:

Out of the 24 compounds detected in the Flroida trunk sample which did not overlap with known or possible gasoline constituents, 16 (67%) known to be associated with HUMAN DECOMPOSITIONAL events were detected in the odor signature from the Florida trunk carpet sample whose source could not be potentially linked to any of the controls which were analyzed. ~ page 5 of report

Conclusions:

The correlations between the following techniques:

1. LIBS- showing elevated elements typically associated with HUMAN DECOMPOSITION;

2. VFA analysis- showing early PMI;

3. Chemical Extractions- showing adipocere ratios consistent with HUMAN DECOMPOSITION and the presense of acetic acid;

4. The comparison to what is known about the decomposition of HUMAN and animal remains;

5. Indications of early decomposition and the presence of the five key major compounds associated with HUMAN DECOMPOSITION (Primarily the sulfar containing compounds);

6. Montana positive control sample;

indicate that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is CONSISTENT with an early decompositional even that could be of HUMAN origin. ~ page 16 of report

capped words done by me
ETA adding link again http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19801995.pdf
 
Something tells me that the results of the tests done on the trunk...along with Casey's lies ...and George's testimony...resulted in a Murder 1 indictment.
 
BBM I believe Yuri Melich stated at the bond hearing that the car smelled like there had been a dead body in it.
No he did not say this exactly. he did say that the car smelled like decomposition .This was his opinion.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLb0RYC1q5o[/ame]
 
IIRC, the maggots were found on material outside the white bag, as if it had been sitting in something. There was no presence of bugs inside the garbage bag, probably as there was no food found inside it, mostly wrappers.

There were bugs in the bag, pg 4/43 here:
http://www.wftv.com/news/18530366/detail.html

Maggots were observed on the black plastic diner tray, taken from the trash bag. Later, maggots were also shaken from the paper towels, also from the bag.
 
No he did not say this. he did say that the car smelled like decomposition .This was his opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLb0RYC1q5o


Listen to Part 4. 7:00 Minutes in.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=659JE9JrkfI[/ame]

LDB: An abandoned car that contains evidence of human decomposition.

Yuri: Correct


Also, OCSO's Cadaver dog officer (Jason, I think) testified at this hearing, although I'm having trouble finding video of it... thought I had it somewhere.

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Adipocere found on tissues, presumably used to clean trunk, found in garbage bag in trunk,
also child sized and shaped stain on trunk carpet.
I think that was just speculative.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4222338&postcount=4"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Stain in Trunk May Show Outline of Child in the fetal position.[/ame]
 
Listen to Part 4. 7:00 Minutes in.

LDB: An abandoned car that contains evidence of human decomposition.

Yuri: Correct


Also, OCSO's Cadaver dog officer (Jason, I think) testified at this hearing, although I'm having trouble finding video of it... thought I had it somewhere.

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Thanks MM. I was responding to a post saying :
BBM I believe Yuri Melich stated at the bond hearing that the car smelled like there had been a dead body in it.


I do believe he was referring to human decomp .I am not disagreeing with human decomp, I am only disagreeing that he said the quote above.
 
Thanks MM. I was responding to a post saying :
BBM I believe Yuri Melich stated at the bond hearing that the car smelled like there had been a dead body in it.


I do believe he was referring to human decomp and I am still mad he didn't take the car sooner!

I have a number of things to say about the car, but believe they belong over in the Pontiac thread probably, rather than here.


Wish we could find Jason't testimony from this hearing, because he CLEARLY talks about human decomp, also.

Dead body, HUMAN decomp, is there really much difference? The intent is the same.
 
I have a number of things to say about the car, but believe they belong over in the Pontiac thread probably, rather than here.


Wish we could find Jason't testimony from this hearing, because he CLEARLY talks about human decomp, also.

Dead body, HUMAN decomp, is there really much difference? The intent is the same.
Oh i totally think it was human decomp. Many of the posters here are frustrated with misquoting so i was trying to help.
 
Interesting point on 8. It has been stated numerous times in other threads that there was no food in the white trash bag. My question is, if the white trash bag was so maggot infested that GA heard them popping when he opened the trunk at the towyard, what were those maggots eating in the white trash bag? Remember there is only a trace of a fat decomposition product, like ADIPOCERE. I don’t think that small amount was feeding all those maggots. moo
The adipocere like substance is what Vass said was attracting them.
 
ok. I think it's about time that we can at least agree that there was a dead body in the pontiac.
Here what I have if anyone want's to disagree please do so:

1. KC discusses smell...speaks of a "dead squirrel"
2. CA says the car smells like "there is a dead body in the dam car.'
3. GA talks about the dead body smell in car
4. LA talk about the dead body smell in car
5. LE talks about the dead body smell in car
6. two independent cadaver dogs hit on the trunk of the car
7. body farm evidence confirms smell as decomposition
8. coffin flies lead to decomp
9. hair with "death ring" belonging either to KC or Caylee and we know KC is alive

anything else I'm missing. Because after all of this I can certainly conclude without a reasonable doubt (actually no doubt) that there was a "dead body in the dam car"

BBM...seems time to update the full list...

Others have added Birch's observation re: decomp smell.

You may want to consider being explicit about individual LE references in #5. I've seen others discussing Yuri's comments. CSI Bloise noted the smell of decomposition immediately upon opening the car in the forensics bay 7/16.

Also by inference, Cindy laundered the pants because they smelled like the car, IIRC.

...in the damn car ;)
 
BBM...seems time to update the full list...

Others have added Birch's observation re: decomp smell.

You may want to consider being explicit about individual LE references in #5. I've seen others discussing Yuri's comments. CSI Bloise noted the smell of decomposition immediately upon opening the car in the forensics bay 7/16.

Also by inference, Cindy laundered the pants because they smelled like the car, IIRC.

...in the damn car ;)

In my opinion, there are some fair indications that Caylee’s remains may have been in the trunk. There also seems to be some fair indications that perhaps this isn’t so.

The strongest indication seems to be the statements made by many about the smell in that trunk. Many who have talked about the smell have had the opportunity to be around the smell of death. We know for certain the smell was horrendous. We know many who had the opportunity to smell the trunk thought it could be the smell of death. There was very little physical proof of human decomposition found in the trunk, in the evidence we know of.
There was also a white trash bag with several food containers and maggots that had been in the trunk. Some (probably just me LOL) think that the contents in the white trash bag sitting in the trunk, for 2 ½ weeks may have caused the odor everyone talks about. So, it seems that the strongest circumstantial evidence that Caylee’s remains were in that trunk would be the smell in the trunk. I can agree on that.
The cadaver dog that hit on the drivers side rear fender seems to be a second strong indication that Caylee’s remains were in the trunk. Cadaver dogs have a very low percentage of false positives, but they do sometimes have a false positive.
The forensic reports, serological, entomology, dna, and air sample confirm the possibility that Caylee’s remains may have been in the trunk. In each of those reports the final conclusion is that there is decomp in the trunk that COULD be of human origin, and also the decomp COULD be from another decompositional event.
The white trash bag that had possibly been contaminated from sitting in a dumpster for 30 hours must be considered. Most of the entomology report stemmed from this bag.
Although Cindy’s 911 call alerted LE to the smell in the trunk, and one officer was in the car even before YM arrived on the scene, LE did not secure the car until around 7pm on the 16th. This could lead some (again probably only me LOL) to believe, that LE did not find the smell in the car important enough to deem it a crime scene and secure it. This is another reason I question the validity of the smell of death in the car. It would seem the proper protocol, to immediately secure a vehicle that had the unmistakable smell of death, when there was a missing child report.

So, if I’m on the jury, and the result of my decision could result in someone’s execution, the question is, am I certain beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee’s remains were in this trunk.
1. The cadaver dog hit, but they occasionally have false positives.
2. A number of people thought the smell of death was in the car, but there was a trash bag in the trunk that may have caused the smell.
3. The forensic reports say its possible, but could be from something else.
4. The police didn’t seem to initially treat the smell of death as high priority.

For me, I think there is a strong possibility that Caylee’s remains were in the trunk, but I cannot condemn someone to be executed, while I still have what seem to me to be reasonable doubts. Therefore, I can’t agree beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee’s remains were in the trunk. As always my entire post is moo
 
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