Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Bringing these here - please read the report/notes which is why this thread is being discussed. Thanks.

Please notice that I tried to type out where the notes point out that the "shape/outline was noticed on tape, but unable to see it after powder process - NO PHOTO of EPM image."

I think this (the next entry) is what you're referring to (my loose transcription):

12/15/08
Telcall from SA C. - family had property landscaped around time of disappearance - have weed baner (sic) (black tarp-like _____) unsure if units can do anything with it. Found at scene: plastic Disney bag near body (waste blew on it), more duct tape, lettering material possibly from shirt (field believes shirt had iron on that read Big Trouble Comes In Small Packages), they have canvas-type laundry bag from scene and they found one (1) in residence. They may be getting another search warrant for residence ---> stickers/scrapbooking materials. Agent asked to know if TEM (?) saw anything on tape. Per TEM (?) --> no, didn't see any heart shape item. Notified agent (___ SA C.) Per heart-shape/adhesive was on Q63 (?) near end or on non-adh side. ______ also suggested to agent that _____ also be requested to do vacuum metal (?) deposition from plastic bags at scene. ___/__ added for plastic bags - ___/tape - cu (?) letter (serial #390) - used case agent and TFO for TO portion - per ____.

 

[LambChop]

Okay I am having a hard time trying to figure out why JB would even make this an issue. If the FBI destroyed the outline of the sticker by trying to lift possible fingerprints off the inside of the tape wouldn't JB be more concerned that the fingerprints could prove his client's innocence and what would it matter if the outline of the sticker disappeared. More than one person saw the outline and can testify to that. The most important evidence would be the fingerprints. If KC's fingerprints were on that tape it does not matter if the sticker residue was destroyed. Prints would point to the person involved in Caylee's death, not the sticker residue.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Well but they have switched from Some other person did it- umm Zanny- no not Zanny, Jesse Grund, umm not Jesse Grund, one of her friends was into drug deals gone bad - oh forget that defense,let's just call it all Junk Science.....
Baez is very selective about what "junk science" he believes. He believes this is the remains of Caylee Anthony- the DNA testing confirms that it is, so he accepts that- but he tries to discredit the same forensics when they find incriminating evidence.
This whole case will come down to forensics and the experts, and the FACT that Casey Anthony has absolutely NO credibility about anything she says. The sticker outline will be long forgotten once the prosecution starts to list the overwhelming scientific evidence that they have compiled against her.
Not even her parents believe her, they never have, but they are both too arrogant to do the decent thing and honor their grandchild.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Where do you see this? Are you talking about one other than the report that is the reason for this thread?

The FBI log states "no prints".

I think the "no prints" statement refers only to the sticker residue area?
Whereas on the duct tape they said only that no prints of CA/GA/LA were found. IIRC no mention was made of Casey. It maybe there is fingerprint evidence they have yet to release ( I would personally save that little Bombshell for last) and it may be there are none..

 

[ZsaZsa]

Why is the heart shaped sticker important? In my opinion it is important because the media has been force feeding this tidbit to us for several months i.e. NG a heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth

From what I have gathered in this thread, although several people have looked at the duct tape only one tech believed they saw residue in the shape of a heart, and now due to further testing this cannot be proven nor disproven.

Unfortunately for Casey, the media has been stating this as a damning fact for quite some time. If you hear something enough eventually you may start to believe it.

I just think that this and many of the other statements made by the media that are stated unfairly as fact, could hurt Casey's right to a fair trial just my opinion

I would remind you that Casey was indicted for Capital murder without this evidence, the 19 member Grand Jury indicted her in just under an hour if I remember correctly, so it is a pretty safe assumption that what was presented to them was very convincing. The remains had yet to be found,so whatever evidence they have been able to compile since then will be additional and no doubt sufficient to convict this psychopathic killer.

 

[Tulessa]

I would remind you that Casey was indicted for Capital murder without this evidence, the 19 member Grand Jury indicted her in just under an hour if I remember correctly, so it is a pretty safe assumption that what was presented to them was very convincing. The remains had yet to be found,so whatever evidence they have been able to compile since then will be additional and no doubt sufficient to convict this psychopathic killer.

That right there is mind blowing in itself. Makes ya wonder what they do have!:waitasec:

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Why is the heart shaped sticker important? In my opinion it is important because the media has been force feeding this tidbit to us for several months i.e. NG a heart shaped sticker placed directly over the mouth

From what I have gathered in this thread, although several people have looked at the duct tape only one tech believed they saw residue in the shape of a heart, and now due to further testing this cannot be proven nor disproven.

Unfortunately for Casey, the media has been stating this as a damning fact for quite some time. If you hear something enough eventually you may start to believe it.

I just think that this and many of the other statements made by the media that are stated unfairly as fact, could hurt Casey's right to a fair trial just my opinion

I feel secure that Casey's defense team will weed out all of Nancy Grace's fans (and casual viewers, too) during jury selection. Good lawyers can effectively control damage by media ~ ala OJ style.

Everyone is certainly in agreement that we want a fair trial!!!

 

[mitzi]

I think JB leaked the heart information because he knows KC's prints are on the duck tape. Perhaps we'll find out tomorrow, I hope we do.

Bold mine.

raying:

 

[Snaz]

Okay I am having a hard time trying to figure out why JB would even make this an issue. If the FBI destroyed the outline of the sticker by trying to lift possible fingerprints off the inside of the tape wouldn't JB be more concerned that the fingerprints could prove his client's innocence and what would it matter if the outline of the sticker disappeared. More than one person saw the outline and can testify to that. The most important evidence would be the fingerprints. If KC's fingerprints were on that tape it does not matter if the sticker residue was destroyed. Prints would point to the person involved in Caylee's death, not the sticker residue.

I believe the reason JB would make an issue of the residue being 'destroyed' during testing is because he believes it gives him license to claim sloppy, ineffective work by the FBI lab. What he apparently is too dense to figure out is that if he claims the residue was destroyed, he would first have to admit that it DID exist!

JMO, of course.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I believe the reason JB would make an issue of the residue being 'destroyed' during testing is because he believes it gives him license to claim sloppy, ineffective work by the FBI lab. What he apparently is too dense to figure out is that if he admits that the residue was destroyed, he would first have to admit that it DID exist!

JMO, of course.

Oh, I LIKE that! Good one....

 

[ZsaZsa]

Bold mine.

raying:

If I were the SA and I had Casey's prints on duct tape I would be hoarding that information until the last possible moment.
I would also keep two photos of Caylee in front of me, one where she is her cute little self, loving the camera, and alongside it a photo of a bundle of rags, bits of bone, and remains found in a swamp.

 

[Snaz]

If I were the SA and I had Casey's prints on duct tape I would be hoarding that information until the last possible moment.
I would also keep two photos of Caylee in front of me, one where she is her cute little self, loving the camera, and alongside it a photo of a bundle of rags, bits of bone, and remains found in a swamp.

ZsaZsa, although I don't think anyone who saw Caylee's remains really needs any picture to remind them of what she looked like, I absolutely (did I really use that word?) agree!!!!

 

[chefmom]

I believe the reason JB would make an issue of the residue being 'destroyed' during testing is because he believes it gives him license to claim sloppy, ineffective work by the FBI lab. What he apparently is too dense to figure out is that if he claims the residue was destroyed, he would first have to admit that it DID exist!

JMO, of course.

Love it! I bow to your thinking! :bow:

 

[notthatsmart]

If it didn't exist, how did LE destroy it? Think about it.

Well that is a good question. Did they destroy it or did they make the whole thing up. Either way it looks awful.

They did not record it whether it existed or not.

The Fbi said they destroyed it.

I cant wait to see this lady get on the stand.

 

[Oakley]

Well that is a good question. Did they destroy it or did they make the whole thing up. Either way it looks awful.

They did not record it whether it existed or not.

The Fbi said they destroyed it.

I cant wait to see this lady get on the stand.

Where did you see that "The FBI said they destroyed it?" Those were the words of the media, not the FBI. Please supply your source.

 

[Oakley]

At this point, I dont know who to believe. The heart shaped sticker influenced me and now I found out that it doesn't exist. Sometimes perception is reality, but I need truth.

Where did you learn it "it doesn't exist?" Again, please supply your source.

 

[RR0004]

I guess I see it as an abduction case because it was close to the house. (lot of cases where they find the body close) Duct tape looks like abduction to me. All these things that people keep bringing up as evidence tend to be after the crime and not leading up to the crime. The smell in the trunk is just rotten food. I want to be sure to put the perp in prison, but as a tax payer we need to get it right. Her story makes more sense than all the other stories. I think she was just trying to get the police to go to universal and look at tapes and thats why she lied about working there. Thier interogation of her was not effective at all. Very unprofessional. They were all very tired. They were all very upset. They interupted her and each other several times.

Huh...rotten food? For real? Her story makes more sense? Perhaps in an alternative universe.

BTW- Welcome to WS!

 

[RR0004]

Well that is a good question. Did they destroy it or did they make the whole thing up. Either way it looks awful.

They did not record it whether it existed or not.

The Fbi said they destroyed it.

I cant wait to see this lady get on the stand.

The lady is not FBI...so what are you getting at. That she'll lie?

ETA: sorry are you talking about Dr. G?

 

[RR0004]

When Caylee's remains were found, LE went in there and took a ton of photographs of the crime scene before anything was touched. Then the FBI and OCSO went in and started removing the remains. It took about a week to recover all bones and evidence from the scene, taking pictures of things as they were found, before removal.

As I recall, when the heart-shaped residue was found on the duct tape, detectives went back and found the heart sticker at the scene.

I can't help but think that there has to be pictures of everything.

In regards to the duct tape..........I think you're right that in the process of lifting fingerprints, some of the duct tape will be destroyed. I think it's a good possibility that fingerprints were found on the duct tape.

Thanks...I was confused which scene they were talking about. Couldn't figure out if they meant the "dump" site or the home.

 

[notthatsmart]

Where did you see that "The FBI said they destroyed it?" Those were the words of the media, not the FBI. Please supply your source.

My source is that document in the motion. The fbi agent clearly states the evidence was lost in writing.