Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[Brini]

I was thinking of the interogation out at universal. It was bad. I am ashamed 0f the way they acted. I am not convinced that everything she said was a lie. I will look at the threads, but I do know this case very well.

What part was true?

Where is the evidence, of same?

 

[Brini]

Fingerprints are left because of the oil in a person's skin. Oil and water don't mix, so it's possible that fingerprints could remain even after a lengthy submersion in water. If you try to remove an oily substance using only water, it's very difficult, if not impossible to do...........some sort of soap or degreaser is necessary.

Yes! Oil is what my chem prof called "hydrophobic." If a substance is "hydrophilic," is does mix with water.

 

[Brini]

Yes sounds like a half lie or half truth. Thank you for the whole truth. Do we have that in discovery?

Back to the heart sticker. thanks

Yes, we do.

We have every, single thing that has been released. Ever.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Yes sounds like a half lie or half truth. Thank you for the whole truth. Do we have that in discovery?

Back to the heart sticker. thanks

In the totality of all documents released, the heart sticker does not hold much revelence. I do not believe that this case, nor the death penalty, is going to rest solely on its existence or lack of it. Now the absolute existence of the DUCT TAPE....oh, that is VERY damning!

 

[Kentjbkent]

I was thinking of the interogation out at universal. It was bad. I am ashamed 0f the way they acted. I am not convinced that everything she said was a lie. I will look at the threads, but I do know this case very well.

By "they" are you referring to KC and her alter-ego "Zanny", or am I reading this wrong, cause surely you are not referring to LE, right?

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

What I keep thinking of while all these distractions occur is that the Grand Jury indicted her without any of these evidence reports.... in less than an hour 19 people decided there was a case to answer..

I'm not quite as confident as you are in the grand jury indictment. It is not extremely difficult to get an indictment and with a two year old missing the gj could easily be persuaded to indict.
The indictment however is by no means a conviction, it is simply the approval of the charges and to continue the investigation.

 

[Brini]

I haven't finished catching up on this thread yet but am piggybacking on your post to make sure this info recently posted in another thread is included in our sleuthing of this topic:

"See page 3, paragraph 3 of this portion of the autopsy reports.

"...grayish colored tape was noted covering the mouth and nasal aperture areas..."

This analysis was done by John J. Schultz, Ph.D., an anthropologist and his report was submitted to Dr. G. "

I think it's significant the analysis was done by an anthropologist and expect the potential movement was considered not only by him but by whomever assigned this task to him, kwim?

Though I agree that the sticker is not key, it looks as if we might have THREE sourcs of piccies, to me.

Anthropologists take a ton of photos in situ. It's likely that he also took photos during the autopsy, not counting what Dr. G. may have taken.

 

[Brini]

What I keep thinking of while all these distractions occur is that the Grand Jury indicted her without any of these evidence reports.... in less than an hour 19 people decided there was a case to answer..

BINGO, Zhaz!

 

[Brini]

Was this testing done before the remains were identified? Does anyone recall?

IIRC, after the autopsy, and before the identification.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I'm not quite as confident as you are in the grand jury indictment. It is not extremely difficult to get an indictment and with a two year old missing the gj could easily be persuaded to indict.
The indictment however is by no means a conviction, it is simply the approval of the charges and to continue the investigation.

I find that Jurors take their responsibilities extremely seriously and the idea that they could be "persuaded" to indict someone without sufficient cause is so ludicrous it sounds like something the Anthonys would say...
.

 

[Tulessa]

This has probably been address already but when has that slowed me down from being redundant? There are other methods to get fingerprints, powder isn't the only way. They were probably using a few different methods trying to find prints that wouldn't be visible. Have you ever seen how techs even use crazy glue to find hidden prints?

O/T but thank you for having that in your siggy. I donated. I really admire Tim Miller.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

you guys drop it. It's just semantics. The heart shaped residue is not there anymore. Disappeared, destroyed , eaten up during the fingerprint process whatever.


What are the ramifications, if any to this development?

I think the media will try to justify the disappearance of the outline, and at trial after the prosecution brings fbi lab reports into evidence the defense will then question the validity of some of these reports due to the disappearance of the outline and the mishandling of the duct tape by the lab tech who inadvertantly got some of her dna on the tape. A juror will have to consider that two mistakes were made on one piece of evidence and the defense will ask the question how many other pieces of evidence might have been mishandled? just my opinion of course

 

[Tulessa]

Bless your heart, notthatsmart.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Why would she believe LE would charge her with Caylee's death, if she believed that Caylee was still alive?

As all of her friends, relatives and casual acquaintances have stated, Casey is a habitual liar and according to her own mother, a sociopath, so I do not put any stock in what Casey said, and I find it implausible that her callous behavior only indicated that she thought her child was safe somewhere..
As soon as Cindy and George got the car back and smelled the human decomposition it propelled her into action, she went on a search for Casey, something she had not apparently felt the need to do during the previous 31 days. As stated by her own brother, once she said that the child was indeed missing her mother's first response was "What did you do". She knows her better than anyone else and that is the first thought that came into her mind- the very first!
Now, combined with the "Smells like a dead body in the damn car" don't you think that we should attach some weight to those statements rather than whatever lie Casey happens to take a fancy to telling? The Police did, thank goodness.

I was trying to attach the quote that was in Brini's post, along with Brini's response ,it was from Not that smart and it starts off
"I am not playing devil's advocate"... I dunno what happened....

 

[ZsaZsa]

By "they" are you referring to KC and her alter-ego "Zanny", or am I reading this wrong, cause surely you are not referring to LE, right?

Not that smart- Well they expected her to tell the truth,and be forthcoming, considering her child was missing, and probably they compared her demeanour to what you would expect a nornal mother whose child was in peril to behave, so I guess that would equate to a warped sense that they were treating her badly. They were charged with finding the child and that's what they were doing, asking appropriate questions. We have all heard those interviews and you would be hard pressed to say there was any mistreatment, except in reverse, Casey was as usual, lying.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I find that Jurors take their responsibilities extremely seriously and the idea that they could be "persuaded" to indict someone without sufficient cause is so ludicrous it sounds like something the Anthonys would say...
.

I agree, they do take their responsibilities seriously. Perhaps I should have used a word other than persuaded. I simply believe that it is much easier to get an indictment than a conviction.
I just happen to believe that we should presume a person is innocent until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion sorry thats just how i feel
Let me add this though before you hang me, I have a very very hard time presuming Casey's innocence because she didn't report Caylee missing. That fact really bothers me.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I think the media will try to justify the disappearance of the outline, and at trial after the prosecution brings fbi lab reports into evidence the defense will then question the validity of some of these reports due to the disappearance of the outline and the mishandling of the duct tape by the lab tech who inadvertantly got some of her dna on the tape. A juror will have to consider that two mistakes were made on one piece of evidence and the defense will ask the question how many other pieces of evidence might have been mishandled? just my opinion of course

Eventhough we WSers know the significance of the heart sticker placed where it was placed and we can surmise why, jurors may not ever know. The heart sticker is not a piece of evidence in this case that is going to make or break it, so to speak but the quote above states what I fear will happen. The SA is going to have to bring this out in open court first,explain that this happens everyday, it is a regular occurance with evidence of this nature, eventhough the defense is going to try to make you the jury think otherwise... The SA can not let JB & Co. have a "suprise/ta-da" moment with this info.

 

[Spangle]

I was thinking of the interogation out at universal. It was bad. I am ashamed 0f the way they acted. I am not convinced that everything she said was a lie. I will look at the threads, but I do know this case very well.

Good luck with that. I'm sure folks are cheering for you. We have picked her statements apart trying to find something, some tiny thing that she told the truth about. Except for the basicly, like her name, etc.. forget it.

It's not all about bash KC here. It's about finding the evidence, the truth, etc. Hence, everything she said was used to try and track that baby down, back in the early days. Went over it with a fine tooth comb. It was shocking, it was all lies. Who does that when their baby is missing??

What did she say about calling the family? "A Waste, a Huge Waste." That pretty much covers her statements.

Any who, if you find anything,anything at all... Please do let us know. Along with the evidence that proves it to be true. We really would like to know and put it in our evidence links, etc.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Eventhough we WSers know the significance of the heart sticker placed where it was placed and we can surmise why, jurors may not ever know. The heart sticker is not a piece of evidence in this case that is going to make or break it, so to speak but the quote above states what I fear will happen. The SA is going to have to bring this out in open court first,explain that this happens everyday, it is a regular occurance with evidence of this nature, eventhough the defense is going to try to make you the jury think otherwise... The SA can not let JB & Co. have a "suprise/ta-da" moment with this info.

That is what the defense always does, try to create doubt about everything the Prosecution says.
All humans, including Lab Techs can make errors. That is why there are erasers on the end of pencils

 

[ZsaZsa]

I agree, they do take their responsibilities seriously. Perhaps I should have used a word other than persuaded. I simply believe that it is much easier to get an indictment than a conviction.
I just happen to believe that we should presume a person is innocent until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion sorry thats just how i feel
Let me add this though before you hang me, I have a very very hard time presuming Casey's innocence because she didn't report Caylee missing. That fact really bothers me.

Well we all started with that presumption but very quickly were disabused of it.
No one to blame but Casey for that.