Excused from the Rule of Sequestration

[Solace]

ITA. Their motion is asking that they be excused from a rule of law. I don't think it will fly.

They can raise Clarence Darrow and it is NEVER going to happen. They are going to be sequestered. It is obvious that they lie and Perry has acknowledged it (very eloquently) and he is not going to chance anything like that with this case.

I have no idea who they think they are and what makes them better than any other witness in this United States, but their opinion of themselves is much more than it should be, certainly as to this motion and that's fo sho.

 

[Softail]

After listening to Lippman, he was asked if Casey wants them in the court during the trial. He says they don't know, since they haven't talked to her in over 2 yrs...

Wouldn't that be a hoot, if she DOES NOT WANT them in there? :giggle:

 

[azwriter]

I don't think they can cause a mistrial or anything else; they are going to be deferential or Perry will make sure they are outed and held in another room until they are to testify. He is not playing any games with his courtroom and he has a whole lot more respect for the Constitution and the Law than he does for the Anthony's disrespecting his courtroom. Not going to happen.

Plus, they have a right to be there when they are finished testifying. And they should be allowed to sit in the courtroom.

Solace, I always like your posts. I too do not see the judge allowing GA and CA to cause a mistrial. If they have that intention to do just that, His Honor will nip that immediately. One peep, one false move, one emotional outburst and he will clear the court, as the saying goes.

I recall the Charles Manson (and family) trial where Manson boldly stood up and flashed toward the jury the front page of a newspaper where the headline read that Pres. Nixon called Mason guilty. The jury was polled individually as to what they saw and how they reacted to the incident. There was no mistrial.

It's not as easy to get a mistrail as one would think. And I trust a judge whose been at attention in the pre-trial hearings is fully aware of the troublemakers and what they might pull. He has other eyes and ears posted throughout the courtroom to keep him advised.

However, in that regard, I say keep them out until their testimony; just as would be done with other witnesses. jmo

Let the Circus begin!

 

[eaglemom]

IMO

Caylee's 'rights' far outweigh those of her grandparents. I do not think given the behavior of CA and GA they have the 'right' to be in the courtroom and if they cared for their granddaughter in the manner they said they did - they would either restrain their behavior or they would agree to remove themselves prior. They have, thus far, proven they cannot restrain their behavior to adhere to courtroom procedures and not be a distraction; therefore they have lost the 'right' to attend trial as a family member.

If they want their daughter, ICA, to receive a fair and just trial then I would think they would want to also adhere to courtroom rules. Unfortunately I do not think that is the goal. If they wanted the 'right' to attend court to support her the same logic applies as far as I am concerned.

There is nothing that I can think of, as a parent, that would make me request the court to change the rules if I was testifying to catch the killer of a child in my family. I wouldn't want to have to do it again nor, if my family member were imprisoned, would I want them to spend any more time in jail than they already had because 'something went wrong' because of something I did or because of my testimony.

If CA and GA were 'normal' simply telling them the rules would help or perhaps solve the issue - but it doesn't which is one of the reasons they have gone through several attornies to date. During hearings they have even mouthed back to HHJP (which I would never have had the nerve to do) when he was instructing them.

IMO HHJP has shown great leniency during the pretrial hearings for their behavior - and obviously at times it was distracting enough the cameraman noticed it and focused the cameras on them and we all saw HHJP focused on the same thing in the gallery and had WS members there that said CA and GA could not restrain comments, gestures, etc. during testimony they did not like. Having said that, that leniency cannot be afforded in front of a jury or witnesses that are not as skilled at testifying.

While it may be entertaining for all of us to watch CA and GA be jerks in the courtroom, I am not watching this trial for entertainment - I am watching it for the justice of a small girl named Caylee. I do not want the money spent to be wasted, or a chance taken that it cannot be spent again if there is a mistrial because CA or GA decide to 'have a moment' in the courtroom.

MOO

 

[Solace]

Solace, I always like your posts. I too do not see the judge allowing GA and CA to cause a mistrial. If they have that intention to do just that, His Honor will nip that immediately. One peep, one false move, one emotional outburst and he will clear the court, as the saying goes.

I recall the Charles Manson (and family) trial where Manson boldly stood up and flashed toward the jury the front page of a newspaper where the headline read that Pres. Nixon called Mason guilty. The jury was polled individually as to what they saw and how they reacted to the incident. There was no mistrial.

It's not as easy to get a mistrail as one would think. And I trust a judge whose been at attention in the pre-trial hearings is fully aware of the troublemakers and what they might pull. He has other eyes and ears posted throughout the courtroom to keep him advised.

However, in that regard, I say keep them out until their testimony; just as would be done with other witnesses. jmo

Let the Circus begin!

Thank you very much. I agree - they should be kept out until they testify - just like everyone else. Have a good one.:seeya:

 

[Solace]

IMO

Caylee's 'rights' far outweigh those of her grandparents. I do not think given the behavior of CA and GA they have the 'right' to be in the courtroom and if they cared for their granddaughter in the manner they said they did - they would either restrain their behavior or they would agree to remove themselves prior. They have, thus far, proven they cannot restrain their behavior to adhere to courtroom procedures and not be a distraction; therefore they have lost the 'right' to attend trial as a family member.

If they want their daughter, ICA, to receive a fair and just trial then I would think they would want to also adhere to courtroom rules. Unfortunately I do not think that is the goal. If they wanted the 'right' to attend court to support her the same logic applies as far as I am concerned.

There is nothing that I can think of, as a parent, that would make me request the court to change the rules if I was testifying to catch the killer of a child in my family. I wouldn't want to have to do it again nor, if my family member were imprisoned, would I want them to spend any more time in jail than they already had because 'something went wrong' because of something I did or because of my testimony.

If CA and GA were 'normal' simply telling them the rules would help or perhaps solve the issue - but it doesn't which is one of the reasons they have gone through several attornies to date. During hearings they have even mouthed back to HHJP (which I would never have had the nerve to do) when he was instructing them.

IMO HHJP has shown great leniency during the pretrial hearings for their behavior - and obviously at times it was distracting enough the cameraman noticed it and focused the cameras on them and we all saw HHJP focused on the same thing in the gallery and had WS members there that said CA and GA could not restrain comments, gestures, etc. during testimony they did not like. Having said that, that leniency cannot be afforded in front of a jury or witnesses that are not as skilled at testifying.

While it may be entertaining for all of us to watch CA and GA be jerks in the courtroom, I am not watching this trial for entertainment - I am watching it for the justice of a small girl named Caylee. I do not want the money spent to be wasted, or a chance taken that it cannot be spent again if there is a mistrial because CA or GA decide to 'have a moment' in the courtroom.

MOO

As I recall, Perry stopped George immediately with a very harsh "be quiet". He also stopped Cindy when she said "I'm trying" and that is all she got out. He also told the court before the start of one of the hearings that the smirking and grimacing was to stop.

I realize that they are not liked (I am not a fan of theirs either), but we are in the US of A, not Iran and they have rights and should be accorded them. And I am glad they have those rights.

I am watching it for both. It is incredibly entertaining (especially watching Ashton and Drane-Burdick and George and Cindy and Baez - Cheney I can take or leave) and also I am waiting for KC Anthony to meet with Lady Justice. I recall watching her reaction to her mother on the August 14th tape and for a second she looked at her with absolute hatred. And kept them on the hook for as long as she wanted. Cindy put her head down on the table as KC talked to George and did not give her mother a second thought. It was a horrendous thing to watch.

I am truly looking forward to the trial. KC deserves one and she is going to get it.

 

[Omachka]

And if they try it, they will be ejected.

What did Perry say to the man who yelled something in the courtroom - I believe it was "OUUUT" AND HE IS NOT TO BE ALLOWED BACK IN.

I would like a lot of things, but the facts are we have to go by the rules of the court and that is what Perry is doing. And he is going to see to it that the Anthonys and the lawyers are all respectful. He is a little more seasoned than he is getting credit for here.

I will try and not worry about this but I don't think the Anthony's should be allowed special treatment at all. Other witnesses are sequestered and these laws are for a good reason. As for after they are released from testimony I will do my best to trust that they won't be allowed to cause a mistrial. Deep in my heart I feel they will try. Judge Perry has had my respect and admiration for many years and I know he will do his best. He always does. Even with that man who he ejected... the outburst happened before anyone could react (actually that incident scared me). If it had happened with the jury present and had actually had anything to do with the case... oops, there I go worrying again. :innocent:

If nothing else this whole thing is extremely interesting and I'm looking forward to hearing what Judge Perry has to say.

 

[Solace]

Thanks Ms. Heather for posting this. Really sad isn't it?

The part where Cindy is telling George as he comes up the driveway is the really sad part - It takes Cindy three times to get out Caylee's name. I hae never heard anything like it. Not in the movies or anywhere. It is a 911 call that brings tears. It really does.

 

[Solace]

I will try and not worry about this but I don't think the Anthony's should be allowed special treatment at all. Other witnesses are sequestered and these laws are for a good reason. As for after they are released from testimony I will do my best to trust that they won't be allowed to cause a mistrial. Deep in my heart I feel they will try. Judge Perry has had my respect and admiration for many years and I know he will do his best. He always does. Even with that man who he ejected... the outburst happened before anyone could react (actually that incident scared me). If it had happened with the jury present and had actually had anything to do with the case... oops, there I go worrying again. :innocent:

If nothing else this whole thing is extremely interesting and I'm looking forward to hearing what Judge Perry has to say.

Here are two recent cases of a mistrial - one is where the family was giving dirty looks to the jurors and following them to their cars and the jurors were frightened by it. Do you really think that Cindy and George could frighten anyone? I bet someone here does - but I don't.

The second was the defendant himself who was declared unfit to sit at trial after his outbursts.

There is not going to be a mistrial from an outburst by Cindy Anthony or "you gotta be kiddin me" George. Actually, Cindy was quite composed during the hearings even smiling when she said she would have sat on KC to keep her in the house if necessary.

I don't know this family is bizarro. But they will adjust to the courtroom and will have to leave.

 

[LambChop]

Here are two recent cases of a mistrial - one is where the family was giving dirty looks to the jurors and following them to their cars and the jurors were frightened by it. Do you really think that Cindy and George could frighten anyone? I bet someone here does - but I don't.

The second was the defendant himself who was declared unfit to sit at trial after his outbursts.

There is not going to be a mistrial from an outburst by Cindy Anthony or "you gotta be kiddin me" George. Actually, Cindy was quite composed during the hearings even smiling when she said she would have sat on KC to keep her in the house if necessary.

I don't know this family is bizarro. But they will adjust to the courtroom and will have to leave.

But they are witnesses of the State, important witnesses of the State who have already given conflicting testimonies. The law is that they must be sequestered. Caylee's next of kin will be in the courtroom. It's Caylee's mother and if KC were innocent she will receive her justice. If KC is innocent, Caylee will receive her justice. But the A's are just witnesses proven by the fact that they refuse, refuse to sit on the side of courtroom that is seeking justice for Caylee. For them to claim they are there for the victum when their physical actions prove otherwise will not go unnoticed.

Also the cost of this trial is so large that the judge is within his rights to head off trouble before it starts. The A's have a capital "T" in that department. lol jmo

 

[OneLostGrl]

And I agree they acted absolutely outrageous with the Morgan firm. But then again the Morgan firm LET THEM do it. I would have stopped that in a New York second and said to their lawyer apparently your clients are not aware of the procedures of a deposition and before we proceed with any more outbursts from them or refusals to answer, I suggest you confer with them and make them aware of just what we are here to do and the rules. if not, I will end it here and we can go before the Judge and I will ask for attorneys fees, etc.

But Morgan did not do that until they were well near the end with both Cindy and George and when they did, Cindy and George BOTH COMPLIED. I agree they thought they could do the same in the hearings but if you recall, Judge Perry literally said "be quiet".

He won't tolerate it Aedrys. JP is literally going to TAlahassee almost every weekend getting funds for the courts. He is not going to tolerate it. Why do you think he took this case? He saw what Baez was doing in procrastinating and getting away with it with Strickland. I remember watching on TV the so called "pundits" said Baez is going to put off and put off and I would not be surprised if the trial goes on for five years before it hits trial.

Perry ended that real quick. I want to see them try and get away with it. One reason I want them there is so that they are told to have respect for this court and they were - he also said the smirking and grimacing will stop here in this court. They need to be reined it and they are going to be with Judge Perry.

We are not that far apart, really.

Everyone talks about this guy like he's so tough on folks in his courtroom and won't put up with nonsense. I'm just not seeing that same person everyone else seems to be seeing. He threatens JoseB but has not once followed through with his threats... he sets time limits but then let's 'em slide when they aren't met. He talks tough but has NO follow through!

 

[Teresa]

Okay...I had a thought. The Anthony's should miss the trial until they testify and then watch the trial via live wire t.v. near the court room. This way, they can be there without causing any issues in court. Grimaces and outbursts will be seen by none and they can just do their thing unobserved. I want Caylee's rights proctected but I WANT the Anthony's to hear the truth. The court must have access to this sort of thing. A guard standing over them to make sure they stay put would be cheaper than a new trial.

Just a thought,

Teresa

 

[Gma Kat]

Everyone talks about this guy like he's so tough on folks in his courtroom and won't put up with nonsense. I'm just not seeing that same person everyone else seems to be seeing. He threatens JoseB but has not once followed through with his threats... he sets time limits but then let's 'em slide when they aren't met. He talks tough but has NO follow through!

Hi OLG! good to see you again! I have had similar thoughts as to HHJP's enforcement of his rules; however, I keep telling myself that he is letting as much slide as possible so that 1) DT has less ammo to say bias 2) He is trying very hard to avoid an appeal - almost one in the same, but this is how I have been justifying it to myself.

I just really wish he'd make EVERYONE spit out the gum, even my beloved KB.....

 

[Solace]

Everyone talks about this guy like he's so tough on folks in his courtroom and won't put up with nonsense. I'm just not seeing that same person everyone else seems to be seeing. He threatens JoseB but has not once followed through with his threats... he sets time limits but then let's 'em slide when they aren't met. He talks tough but has NO follow through!

Actually, he has done an incredible job with moving this case along. It is an enormous case with a huge amount of evidence and depositoins and he has managed to get it done and he has fulfilled his time requirement of a trial date of May 9th. He is incredible.

He has come through with decisions that most would get overturned; he knows every case and then some; he tells the lawyers what cases they are talking about. I don't know OneLost, I see a very knowledgeable judge who is doing a great service to Florida and getting a case moving where most would be lagging behind.

He is probably the best judge I have ever seen on the bench.

 

[Gma Kat]

I'm not sure if I'm alone in this train of thought...but I was not surprised that the A's have misbehaved thus far. However, always in the back of my mind I have thought that once the REAL trial starts and the real EVIDENCE is being laid out......that perhaps for the first time the A's might experience SHAME - afterall, the horse and pony show is OVER now.........the professionals are now in control (the SA) and the world will be watching and listening to the horror of what occurred to Caylee and the ridiculousness of the 31-days.........I'm not expecting outbursts, I'm expecting head hanging or quiet tears..............I am really hoping that I have seen the end of the A's. I don't anticipate an outburst, I don't anticipate anything at all from them. I think they will be broken people during their testimony - their fight is already over IMO, with these rulings. Let them sit through this trial, behind their daughter, supporting their daughter - while the world watches them make a mockery of their love for Caylee........LET THEM....

 

[RR0004]

My day would have been complete if this motion had been denied as well.

 

[LambChop]

Actually, he has done an incredible job with moving this case along. It is an enormous case with a huge amount of evidence and depositoins and he has managed to get it done and he has fulfilled his time requirement of a trial date of May 9th. He is incredible.

He has come through with decisions that most would get overturned; he knows every case and then some; he tells the lawyers what cases they are talking about. I don't know OneLost, I see a very knowledgeable judge who is doing a great service to Florida and getting a case moving where most would be lagging behind.

He is probably the best judge I have ever seen on the bench.

I think so, too. And we have to remember he is the judge and he is dealing with JB. If the shoe were on the other foot and it was SA that were acting like JB we would probably hear more from the judge but JB is KC's attorney and I think he realizes just how inexperienced JB really is.

While we feel JB is not performing the way he should the judge is aware and is stepping lightly around some of the nonsense. He's doing what he has to to get KC a fair trial.

jmo

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have really seriously thought about this and now think that the Anthony's should be called first and get their testimony out of the way. THEN, let them sit there and listen to all the evidence the SA's have. They need to face the reality of what Casey did to precious little Caylee.

I also think the Anthony's should have to hear the statements of their many contradictions testified to by LE. They need to hear the facts of the case in person all at once so that they can see and understand how LE, the Grand Jury, and the SA's Office came to know that Casey did murder Caylee. I want them to SEE and HEAR the evidence.

Little Caylee deserves to know that her grandparents have heard and seen the REAL story.

*Regardless, IF the Anthony's are allowed to be in the courtroom, I just have to wonder which one will have to be reprimanded first.

 

[Gma Kat]

I have really seriously thought about this and now think that the Anthony's should be called first and get their testimony out of the way. THEN, let them sit there and listen to all the evidence the SA's have. They need to face the reality of what Casey did to precious little Caylee.

I also think the Anthony's should have to hear the statements of their many contradictions testified to by LE. They need to hear the facts of the case in person all at once so that they can see and understand how LE, the Grand Jury, and the SA's Office came to know that Casey did murder Caylee. I want them to SEE and HEAR the evidence.

Little Caylee deserves to know that her grandparents have heard and seen the REAL story.

*Regardless, IF the Anthony's are allowed to be in the courtroom, I just have to wonder which one will have to be reprimanded first.

Exactly. I want them sitting there, as soon as possible, the proud parents of MOTY, to listen to what happened, the way it most likely happened. With the eyes of the world, and the courtroom, upon them.

 

[magnolia]

Everyone talks about this guy like he's so tough on folks in his courtroom and won't put up with nonsense. I'm just not seeing that same person everyone else seems to be seeing. He threatens JoseB but has not once followed through with his threats... he sets time limits but then let's 'em slide when they aren't met. He talks tough but has NO follow through!

I like and respect Judge Perry. He is a very knowledgeable Judge. However, I have to agree with you. Perhaps had we not heard how tough he was, we would not have such high expectations.

Okay...I had a thought. The Anthony's should miss the trial until they testify and then watch the trial via live wire t.v. near the court room. This way, they can be there without causing any issues in court. Grimaces and outbursts will be seen by none and they can just do their thing unobserved. I want Caylee's rights proctected but I WANT the Anthony's to hear the truth. The court must have access to this sort of thing. A guard standing over them to make sure they stay put would be cheaper than a new trial.

Just a thought,

Teresa

I don't think G and CA have grimaces and outbursts in mind. Both will be in tears and appear devastated (especially George). The Jury probably won't know as much about the Anthony's as the people that have closely followed this case. They will feel sorry for them. This,imo, is what George and Cindy want. They think an emotional display will help Casey. All that said, the Judge and the SA will more than likely feel the need to walk on ice cubes with the A's for fear of offending the Jury. ~IMO~