Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #2

[jaxibear]

Thus a motive for the hospital wanting her declared brain dead. IMO.

IMHO, it is possible that a jury will not consider damages for her care after multiple doctors declared her brain dead.

 

[Calcifer]

IMO the family has done nothing but exercise their legal rights.
Everyone has an opinion.

"Healthy" could mean walking, talking, loving, one day and not the next.

The family has "faith" and the right to believe in miracles & prayers and divine intervention.

I need a link that this family has compromised the care of any other patient.

They have the legal right to not allow the hospital to share medical records.

You have every right to believe or not believe this family or their motives. That's your opinion. Everyone is entitled to one.

And I have faith that my sister can fly, but if I threw her off a cliff, I would probably get in trouble for it.

I agree that the family is exercising their legal rights. I'm just tired of seeing this hospital that has done so much good for so many children and its hard-working staff being endlessly bashed for something that possibly (probably) didn't happen. Having the legal right to attack someone who can't defend himself doesn't make it an appropriate thing to do.

 

[Charlie09]

And I have faith that my sister can fly, but if I threw her off a cliff, I would probably get in trouble for it.

I agree that the family is exercising their legal rights. I'm just tired of seeing this hospital that has done so much good for so many children and its hard-working staff being endlessly bashed for something that possibly (probably) didn't happen. Having the legal right to attack someone who can't defend himself doesn't make it an appropriate thing to do.

Kind of like pulling the plug too early

sent from my galaxy 4 using SWYPE, expect typos.

 

[Cubby]

http://lifeandhope.com/

Chris Dolan's statement on home page of the Terri Schiavo's website.

I don't known how Dolan lives with himself. He is publicly asking OCH to disobey a court order forbidding the hospital to perform the procedures he is requesting.

He sought out this family, the did not seek him out. He pounced upon his prey and brought out a bunch of crackpots with him. I can only pray someone reaches out and can protect this family from those who are clearly in this for their own selfish interests.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

I agree. Which is why, imo, the Hospital is desperate to prevent the transfer of Jahi. They want to keep her "dead." If she moves out of that hospital to another state, she is no longer "legally dead" if there is no death certificate.

It is in the hospital's financial interest to keep her "dead" because it will limit the malpractice payout.

No surprise the Hospital, reverses itself yet again, and is now refusing to allow any outside doctor to do the procedures. The hospital wants this child dead, dead, dead and it has everything to do with $$$$.

all, JMO

The refusal appeared to reverse the position articulated Monday by a hospital spokesman. He said the hospital would allow a doctor retained by the family to insert a feeding tube and to replace the oral ventilator keeping Jahi's heart beating with a tracheal tube - surgical procedures that would stabilize Jahi if she is moved to a facility willing to keep caring for her.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jahi-mc...-find-surgeons-to-operate-on-brain-dead-teen/

"It is in the hospital's financial interest to keep her "dead" because it will limit the malpractice payout."
How will moving Jahi out of CFO make her no longer dead?

 

[meme4]

Hospital didnt reverse anything, the court refused the familys request to require the hospital to allow it.....And where do they plan on putting her, the place they keep metioning isnt ready for patients, especially deceased ones.....Family and their lawyer need to stop misleading the public......

 

[MyBelle]

Unless Jahi's family CONSENTED to donating her organs, the hospital simply could not take them. Whether Jahi was declared brain dead or not, no one was going to be able to harvest any of her organs without her mother's explicit permission.

I hate that these misperceptions still persist in society. There are more people on the waiting lists for donated organs than will ever receive them, but neither CHO nor any other hospital is legally able to take someone's organs with their permission or the permission of their family in some cases, as when the potential donor is a minor child.

It is a magnanimous gift of life when organs are donated, but I would be shocked to my core to learn that this particular family would ever consider that course of action for one moment.

I totally agree the hospital can't just "take" organs without consent.

I think any parent would question the rush to make a decision. The mother's questions certainly infuriated the hospital administrator that screamed, "dead, dead, dead" and who continues to do everything possible to ensure the child isn't moved anywhere.

Just my opinion.

 

[iluvmua]

Hospital didnt reverse anything, the court refused the familys request to require the hospital to allow it.....And where do they plan on putting her, the place they keep metioning isnt ready for patients, especially deceased ones.....Family and their lawyer need to stop misleading the public......

100 percent agree

 

[jjenny]

And she probably is brain dead. I'm not qualified to make that determination. Are you?

I linked articles that said if she were truly brain dead her heart would have failed by now, despite being on a ventilator.

One brain dead guy supposedly lasted 20 years on a ventillator. So I fail to see how this could possibly be accurate.

 

[Lunar1121]

Hi guys, I have been following this tragic case on the tv and only just saw you guys were posting on it. I haven't read everything so you may have discussed this but what about the very few handful that have come back from brain death such as Zack Dunlap? I know a couple of others where it just turns out that the tests were done wrong or whatever and they weren't truly brain dead like doctors had thought but Zack by all accounts was. No activity/blood flow, declared dead and everything ...... There have been many medical people advising on this thread so was just curious your thoughts. This case is a hard one and I tend to lean toward letting her go in peace, but I am a hopeful creature and people such as Zack is why. :/

http://www.notdeadyet.org/2008/03/brain-dead-man-comes-alive-miracle.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23768436/#.UsSb49JDupA

 

[Isabelle]

She is an LVN, a licensed vocational nurse.

She has very limited ability to provide basic nursing care, but cannot administer meds, start IV's etc. She can probably take vital signs using an automated instrument on non-critically ill people, bathe them, provide some assistance with meals or dressing or toileting.

On the nursing hierarchy, she is on the next to the lowest step and not at all qualified to be making any comments about surgical procedures, medications, or ICU care.

LVN aka LPN can and do administer meds. In some states, with documented training, they can administer certain medications IV via pump delivery and via intramuscular or sub-Q injection,but not by direct IV push. LVN/LPN may not administer blood. An LVN/LPN may not obtain consent for any treatment or procedure. Other than that an LPN/LVN can and do perform procedures just like an RN, however an RN must perform a complete assessment of patients every 24 hours. I have worked with LPN/LVN's that have more knowledge and common sense than most RN's!

 

[al66pine]

Originally Posted by iluvmua
Again, the hospital can not discuss anything publicly because Jahi's family refuses to let them discuss it. ... BBM SBM

Seems to me, that talking point was discarded the moment the courts and media was told exactly what procedures were performed and that they were "complicated." .... BBM SBM

MyBelle (and others), respectfully --- do you think the hosp, doctors, et al, should be prohibited from providing info in their court-filed doc's responding to Jahi's TRO petition???

IIRC the TRO petition characterized the surgery as one surgery (toncillectomy or perhaps tonsill-adenoid-ectomy? sp?), should the hosp be prohibited from naming the three surgeries done? That multiple tests were done to assess brain-death? That the tests concluded Jahi was brain-dead?

AFAIK, aside from further info in ct-filed doc's, that's pretty well the extent of what the hosp stated to media, even in the loud, curbside exchange Singer and Dolan had the other day,w vid-link upthread. I may have missed something in which hosp disclosed info which would otherwise be HIPAA- protected.

Fam and atty continue making stmts to media but refuse to authorize hosp to provide info to media or genpub, so pretty well gagging the hosp, except for what hosp files in court. That most certainly is the fam's right, but, imo, it stinks and makes me question the truth and veracity of fam and atty's stmts.

Did Hosp disclose Jahi's pt info inappropriately? No, IMO.

JM2cts and I may be wrong. :seeya:

 

[jjenny]

The hospital does receive payment for the surgery involved for the harvest of the organs.

They can not harvest the organs without parental permission. So it's a moot point.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

Hospital didnt reverse anything, the court refused the familys request to require the hospital to allow it.....And where do they plan on putting her, the place they keep metioning isnt ready for patients, especially deceased ones.....Family and their lawyer need to stop misleading the public......

Agreed!!
The court upheld this because (as if we haven't driven this point home enough) it is unethical to operate on a dead body!

 

[sherbetjello]

Jahi's uncle said they have ambulance & plane ready to take her. Working on securing the facility.

https://twitter.com/Cristina_Rendon/status/418507245068906498/photo/1

#Jahi uncle says now trying to move her without trache and feeding tube. Says hospital "starving my niece."

https://twitter.com/LauraAnthony7/status/418504965548556289/photo/1

 

[meme4]

Kind of like pulling the plug too early

sent from my galaxy 4 using SWYPE, expect typos.

I am really get tired of that statement, these people have had almost a month of knowing their child is gone, nothing can be done for her...Its really absurd to me that anyone thinks the hospital benefits from pulling the plug, especially if they think the hospital is at fault.....

 

[Isabelle]

You guarantee that? Are you verified as an RN by the way?

From what I have read once a patient is declared deceased the HOSPITAL foots the bill because insurance will not.

I would have to think most RNs that have worked long enough to see sad situations wouldn't argue that sometimes it should just STOP.

I am no verified for web sleuths as an RN, but licensed in my state for 27 plus years. I can pm info if you fee the need to verify my credentials.

WS asked long ago if I wanted to be verified an someone was to call me but never did.

 

[MyBelle]

"It is in the hospital's financial interest to keep her "dead" because it will limit the malpractice payout."
How will moving Jahi out of CFO make her no longer dead?

I think moving her out of state takes her out of the jurisdiction of the Cali coroner's office. If the Cali coroner doesn't have the body, he can't issue a death certificate. I think the media is now realizing that is what is going on because they are now not just reporting but are emphasizing the hospital's reversal of decisions.

JMO

A lawyer for Children's Hospital Oakland said Tuesday that it is unwilling to allow an outside doctor to fit Jahi McMath with the breathing and feeding tubes that the family has requested.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jahi-mc...-find-surgeons-to-operate-on-brain-dead-teen/

 

[Cubby]

RSBM: The family started suctioning blood themselves; Jahi's grandmother, Sandra Chatman, is a nurse at another hospital.

“A 13-year-old should not have to suction herself,” Sealey said. “She had to use a suction machine to suction her own blood. Her mother and stepfather had to suction out her blood at points. None of them work for this hospital.”

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Oakland-8th-Grader-Brain-Dead-After-236015681.html

And I continue to believe they did more damage by intervening than had they let hospital staff do it.

Also, I do not believe for a second they were ignoring the families pleas for help. Imo, they were asking for or demanding answers to medical info which the nurses were not privy to give the family and could only be given by the doctor.

What a disgrace this whole thing is to Jahi's remains.

 

[jjenny]

https://twitter.com/Cristina_Rendon/status/418507245068906498/photo/1

So they still haven't found any facilities?