Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #5

[Sedonia Sunset]

I just can't get the SNL General Francisco Franco updates out of my mind.

This is just exactly like that, and that was a comedy skit.

I don't think I saw that, but from the time this fiasco hit the news big time, one vision keeps popping into my mind: the United Appeal For The Dead segment in Kentucky Friend Movie. It was hilarious in an uncomfortable, macabre way when I saw it in a theater when I was 22. Now (in my late 50s), of course, I don't find it funny at all. I know too much more about REAL life (and death) now.

It was a satire on commercials for various foundations that help people cope with and understand major health problems and how people could still live relatively normal lives by including their stricken loved ones in family activities and day-to-day life. It starts off with Henry Gibson, looking like a lawyer, giving advice on what to do or not do if you have died (don't drive, for instance). It gives an example of how a family, whose son, Johnny, died 3 years earlier, is included in their family activities. It goes on to actually show various things the family does that makes sure little decomposing Johnny is not left out (family dinners, cheering at a sports event, playing with a beach ball in the pool).

It's the kind of thing your mind might go to because it is all so unthinkable as to be laughable in a verging-on-the-edge-of-hysteria kind of way. It's a ludicrous situation, after all. And so is Jahi's situation. Ludicrous, unthinkable, macabre, distasteful, disrespectful, and downright horrifying.

 

[Leilei]

Just to clarify: Oregon, Ohio (we do have a St. Charles in Oregon state--excellent trauma center in Bend--and in fact we also have a Toledo here, just to confuse things further).

Edited my post to reflect that. Thank you! It's my night of goof-ups, I'm blaming the cold weather

 

[MsSeal]

I think Dr. Drew should debate Nancy Grace.

 

[jjenny]

I think Dr. Drew should debate Nancy Grace.

What did he ever do to you?
:floorlaugh:

 

[SeekingJana]

Please, no rotten tomatoes...:truce:

I am prefacing this hypothetical question with the knowledge that the facility is NOT a Catholic hospital, but is there any chance that she is at Loma Linda?

I only ask because I remember them transplanting baboon hearts into infants and things.. They didn't seem to be afraid of controversy, IOW.
I'm not disparaging them in any way by asking this.. I remembered the work with infant hearts and wondered if there might be a pediatric cardiologist or other specialist who wanted to study what happens to a brain dead body on artificial life support over a long period of time ( relatively speaking, long period of time), or otherwise would take her?
This is such a distasteful situation to me that it is embarrassing to ask about a specific facility, to be honest. :blushing::blushing:

 

[jjenny]

She can be anywhere. As for baboon heart into baby, after reading up on it, it ended just about how one would predict it was going to end.

 

[CHERIE.T]

My dad said that yrs ago, if we kept him on any type of life support so we teased him once that we would have him stuffed and keep him in the chair in the livingroom. lol

:floorlaugh: oh me!

 

[SeekingJana]

She can be anywhere. As for baboon heart into baby, after reading up on it, it ended just about how one would predict it was going to end.

Loma Linda was a pioneer in heart surgeries for babies, and the baboon heart thing was a last- ditch effort before human heart transplants were perfected. I think I was in nursing school when the transplant or transplants occurred, otherwise I wouldn't have paid any attention to something like that at my age.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Evidently it takes a team of highly skilled nurses and expensive equipment to keep a deceased person "glowing". :banghead:

I think that "glow" might not mean what they think it means in THIS case.

 

[SeekingJana]

One thing I would like to bring up: I see a lot of my fellow posters saying they are absolutely DNRs and so forth.

I feel like I need to step up and point out something..
You all do realize that if you are in a serious accident or have a cardiac or other critical event and there is no family spokesperson on the scene to speak for you and you need to be intubated or Coded, that you will be, right?
That doesn't mean you will remain in an artificially maintained life- state, only that we most certainly STILL cannot dictate our wishes with accuracy.
I hope everyone enjoys great health and passes away in their ( our) sleep at age 99, but realistically, some of us are going to know another type of death experience.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I honestly feel like they are trying to let her heal so the coroner cannot determine the suctioning as cause of death. I may be wrong but I think Grandma can go to jail for doing that and lose her nursing license. I sound like a looney conspiracy theorist, but I can see no other reason to watch your child decompose other than to save a family member from going to jail.

I am not a medical professional, I could be completely wrong. This is all the opinion of a person who thinks this family should let their daughter rest in peace.

There was a case where this happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/14/ny...entilator.html...

I've wondered similarly; the court docs filed by Dolan himself mention the stepfather suctioning JM during the crisis:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyqtbbaq9tnlpci/stepfather suctioned her as well (Dolan's filing) copy.png

 

[gngr~snap]

I think Dr. Drew should debate Nancy Grace.

Ohhh HELLO HLN!!! GREAT NEW SHOW IDEA!!!
All $ goes to Ms Seal!

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Nick Smith ‏@nicksmithnews 1m
Declaration from @hospital4kids re #JahiMcMath filed in Fed Crt: "nothing can be done to stop the..post-mortem deterioration underway."

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Which one is the rat?

I haven't seen the photo, but this Bronze Rat joke (a long-time favorite of mine) immediately came to mind.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I've wondered similarly; the court docs filed by Dolan himself mention the stepfather suctioning JM during the crisis:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyqtbbaq9tnlpci/stepfather suctioned her as well (Dolan's filing) copy.png

Sealey provided a rough timeline of what happened after Jahi's tonsils were removed a week ago. After she asked for a popsicle, it became immediately clear that something was wrong.

“She wasn’t able to talk, and she started to write notes to her mother, saying, 'I’m swallowing too much mucus, Mom – am I OK? Mom – I feel like I’m choking,'” Sealey recalled. “And she began to write these notes because she couldn’t talk because there was so much blood. It wasn’t mucus – it was blood. But my sister, the mother, was too afraid to let her know that it was blood and not mucus," Sealey said.

He said the scene was gruesome. “She was coughing up buckets of blood,” he said.

At the same time, Sealey said it appeared to the family as though the nursing staff had vanished during what seemed to be a shift change. In the family's minds, there didn't seem to be enough hospital staff in the room to help. The family started suctioning blood themselves; Jahi's grandmother, Sandra Chatman, is a nurse at another hospital.

“A 13-year-old should not have to suction herself,” Sealey said. “She had to use a suction machine to suction her own blood. Her mother and stepfather had to suction out her blood at points. None of them work for this hospital.”

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Oakland-8th-Grader-Brain-Dead-After-236015681.html

 

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Nick Smith ‏@nicksmithnews 8s
Declaration from @hospital4kids re #JahiMcMath "cannot regulate life-sustaining functions." READ pic.twitter.com/iGRI6blCOm

 

[Soulmagent]

I understand Jahi is no longer able to live. Without being hooked up to machines that keep heart beating . What I dont understand is why any of this is anyone but her familys choice.
The argument is that it is cruel . Yet Jahi wont feel any of it. Nothing ever, so how it is cruel?

 

[gngr~snap]

One thing I would like to bring up: I see a lot of my fellow posters saying they are absolutely DNRs and so forth.

I feel like I need to step up and point out something..
You all do realize that if you are in a serious accident or have a cardiac or other critical event and there is no family spokesperson on the scene to speak for you and you need to be intubated or Coded, that you will be, right?
That doesn't mean you will remain in an artificially maintained life- state, only that we most certainly STILL cannot dictate our wishes with accuracy.
I hope everyone enjoys great health and passes away in their ( our) sleep at age 99, but realistically, some of us are going to know another type of death experience.

I have it SEVERAL PLACES!
EVEN typed in "dog tags"
literally on my wallet, my purse zipper and my keys! I'm not a tatoo fan but I will do it if I need to!
I can't even have a blood transfusion or I will go into anaphylaxis!
Please tell me that they will call my next of kin and shut
me off A. S. A. P.
Or should I make an appt at "Zen Tattoo"?

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Nick Smith ‏@nicksmithnews 49s
Declaration from @hospital4kids re #JahiMcMath "deterioration became inevitable the moment she died." READ pic.twitter.com/3UQ8Ty71l6