Fencesitters & Not Guilty Post Here - THREAD NO. 2

[CaliKid]

http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com/2007/10/open-letter-to-kate-mccann.html

I posted this same link on the general info thread, but I wanted to post something that piqued my interest because it seems we're running out of ideas to discuss except for the same old same old.

According to profiler Pat Brown, Kate and Gerry's attempts to defend themselves are just making them look more guilty. She says:

SHUT UP! Every time you open your mouths you do more damage to yourselves. You seem guiltier by the day. Your attempt at “damage control” is so obvious and so very much a day late and a dollar short, everything you do or say seems a cover up and a transparent attempt at proving your innocence.

Let me make clear what I think is weird about what you say and do:

You choose words about Madeleine’s disappearance which make it appear you know there is no abductor and that Madeleine is dead.

Both you and Gerry state your only guilt in the matter is not being their when Madeleine “was taken.” This statement makes no sense for abduction as Madeleine could not be taken if either of you were with Maddie when an abductor would have shown up. It makes more sense in the context that Maddie died while you were not in the apartment.

Your statements and attitude about Madeleine being alive do not square with parents who really believe their daughter is in the hands of a pedophile or pedophiles who are brutally raping and torturing her daily.

Your attempts at “finding” Madeleine do not represent the manner most parents would choose if they were actively searching for a live child but appear more to be the actions of parents trying to prove after the fact of a child’s death that they “cared” (not care) about her.

Your behaviors of “keeping a normal routine” and “keeping up one’s appearance” is admirable, but extremely bizarre. I don’t know any other parents of missing children who can appear so together and cheery. When my daughter cooked our kittens by accident in the dryer, I cancelled Christmas.

Gerry’s blog creeps people out. It is too upbeat. Terrified and distraught parents of missing children are rarely able to jog and play tennis and go to park with their other kids and have a fun time. Over a long period of time, maybe, but this is usually years after the nightmare begins. Some parents never recover from the trauma and it is common for marriages to fail and the brothers and sisters to feel their parents went absent after their sibling went missing.

 

[CaliKid]

To continue:

Your ability to sleep at night after the first five days, Kate, is beyond belief. It is the behavior of one who already knows the answer and even then, is quite a narcissistic trait. If you believed your daughter was being raped as you lay in bed at night, sleep would be very hard to come by. I guess you finally realize this and your mother is saying that NOW you can’t sleep and Madeleine comes to visit you in the night. What changed, Kate?

Your PR team coming up with an answer to every accusation, answers that are ludicrous in themselves, makes you seem awfully defensive, and, if there is no way you or Gerry had anything to do with Maddie’s disappearance, you have nothing to defend. Furthermore, if all you care about is finding Maddie, you shouldn’t be wasting your time on such silliness. After all, as Gerry said, Maddie is the only important thing, right?

So, SHUT UP, Kate. SHUT UP, GERRY. Fire your PR team as they are totally worthless. If both of you really are innocent and your think Maddie is alive, return to Portugal. Start searching for real (and it took six months to set up a hotline?). Cooperate with the police. Take the polygraphs as you have zero to hide and, with competent polygraph examiners, the questions are so simple you can’t screw them up. I will even give you the four questions that should be asked:


“Did Madeleine die while you were present?”
“Did you return to the apartment and find Madeleine dying or dead?”
“Did you move Madeleine’s body at any time?”
“Did your spouse move Madeleine’s body at any time?"

These are simple questions. The answer to all of them should be “No.”

Anyway, the complete post is at the above link. It's veeerrrryyyy interesting.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Yep, more of the same old, same old. Too bad Gerry or Kate will never read the letter. It says everything I've read on here for the last several months.

 

[AfterMidnight]

"Your behaviors of “keeping a normal routine” and “keeping up one’s appearance” is admirable, but extremely bizarre. I don’t know any other parents of missing children who can appear so together and cheery. When my daughter cooked our kittens by accident in the dryer, I cancelled Christmas."

Quite honestly, this quote from Pat Brown creeps me out as much, if not more, than some of the things the McCanns said. Talk about leaving lasting memories, oy vey, imagine how those kids will feel about Christmas henceforth.

 

[Jami]

So I have lurked on this forum for some time. It is the best forum I have found for discussion of this case. A couple of times I have come quite close to posting, mainly in the theories or guilty sections. However there has been so much conjecture and inaccurate reporting in the media (from inaccurate to made up I would say) that I can’t really get my head round what I think anymore.

My feeling since the start of this case was that the parents were somehow involved and that it was ‘strange’. My girlfriend thought the same. However there was no rationale behind these feelings. When I think about it now I felt that the parents had been somehow negligent with their kids which made me dislike them. Secondly I found their demeanor as portrayed in the media to be somewhat odd, however I remind myself of the Joanna Lees case and what the result of that was. Next I felt that the media attention went too far, maybe fueled by the McCann’s PR or the McCann’s themselves being desperate to find their daughter. I remember them meeting the Pope and just thinking ‘what is going on here ? ‘. More recently evidence may have come to light which maybe points to the McCanns having an involvement. The ‘evidence’ as shown in the media is sparse, and I am sure we don’t know the half of it, but nevertheless there are things which do suggest there could be some involvement on the part of the parents. They may all be entirely explainable innocently, however they are there and coupled with the ‘feelings’ I have about these two as seen in the media this pushes me towards suspecting them of something. Again this is not entirely rational on my part. A combination of media based ‘evidence’ and my own emotions are not reason for passing a guilty verdict.

On top of this we have governments and even Prime Ministers discussing this case. Again I find this odd and it adds to my feelings towards the McCann’s somehow. The poll on Spanish TV was very telling of public sentiment towards these people. Lately Kate’s more public showing of emotion just seems so staged after so long without showing too much. It’s PR gone mad.

Also both the McCann’s answers to questions often make you think ‘What the hell….’ , for example in the most recent interview with Spanish TV, when asked about giving Madeleine sedatives, they didn’t just reply ’No certainly not, we categorically deny this’ or other words to that effect, no instead they evade answering entirely. Why do this if you are entirely innocent, you simply answer ‘no we didn’t give them sedatives, ever’. So again this adds to my ‘feelings’ which have no bearing on their guilt or innocence.

Even the press don’t know what to think. We get contradictory stories and verdicts and takes on events almost every day.

My girlfriend is now sick of hearing about this case, and I suspect even the media is wearing of it apart from certain sections of the tabloid media in the UK, Portugal and elsewhere. You have search on the BBC website to find any stories about the case, they don’t generally appear on the front pages anymore.

So I am back sitting on the fence from thinking they are involved. The only thing I do suspect is that there is no good outcome from this case. Will Madeleine ever be found safe and well and returned to her parents, sadly I think the chances are slim. Will an abductor be brought to justice or the parents found guilty of some crime, I doubt it. I suspect, most sadly for Madeleine, that we will never know what really happened.

I hope the Portuguese Police do every thing they can to find out what did happen and I think only time will tell. At least for now I will sit on the fence and wait to see what happens next.

I am sure I am not alone in these feelings and thoughts.

Hope this was not too long a post for my first one on this forum !

 

[Tuba]

Not too long at all but very candid or honest, if you prefer. We have been fed a series of conclusionary headlines, each one contradicted by the next but all solving the case. What is one to believe since we cannot talk to the principals? If we play by the numbers, there may well have been a man carrying a child away from the Five Block at The Ocean Club. Four people attest to his description: Jane Tanner, Martin Smith & wife, and Pamela Fenn's niece who saw him peering into the children's window. But he wasn't running and doesn't seem that furtive. We also know the block was subject to breaking & entering, with keys yet! We also know the children were left unattended. Beyond that, conjecture and trumped up accounts.

 

[Texana]

Tuba, you do not know that the man Pamela Fenn's niece said she saw and the man Jane Tanner saw (not to mention the Smiths) were one and the same man.

Also, I do not believe the man was seen peering in the window the same night as Madeleine's disappearance.

 

[Whiner]

Welcome Jami!

I'm still not sure where I sit - the parents' reactions aren't typical and I'm sure I'm already biased because as a mother, there is no way on earth I would leave my children alone the way they did.

 

[Tuba]

The people involved thought he was the same man. The descriptions match. There was also a different man in the stairwell and that was on the same day. But if the subject was lurking & peering that fits with the notion that the children were being watched or stalked. It need not be on the day but could be in the run up to a snatch.

 

[Tuba]

The Mirror and The Daily Express quote the niece as saying that it was not only on 3 May but at around the time Madeleine vanished.

 

[Texana]

They can't know that it's the same man unless they are all identify the same person in a line up.

The possibility that they all saw the same man is not evidence that they did.

What they think could be true or could not be true, but cannot be considered factual or evidence until proven so independent of their opinions.

 

[Pinkhammer]

There are too many "mystery men" in this case. It all seems so hokey and made up.

 

[Barnaby]

There are too many "mystery men" in this case. It all seems so hokey and made up.

Yes & most leading back to Leicestershire!

 

[Pinkhammer]

Hi, Barnaby. I checked today's headlines and I see "Kate in Tears", "Kate Breaks Down", "Kate Sobbing".

Odd coincidence, isn't it, that a coupleof days ago we were all discussing why Kate never cried for Madeleine. Now this.

Whatever would Clarence do without us?

 

[Texana]

Hi, Barnaby. I checked today's headlines and I see "Kate in Tears", "Kate Breaks Down", "Kate Sobbing".

Odd coincidence, isn't it, that a coupleof days ago we were all discussing why Kate never cried for Madeleine. Now this.

Whatever would Clarence do without us?

Work a lot harder, I suspect. We make it too easy for him.

 

[AfterMidnight]

Hi, Barnaby. I checked today's headlines and I see "Kate in Tears", "Kate Breaks Down", "Kate Sobbing".

Odd coincidence, isn't it, that a coupleof days ago we were all discussing why Kate never cried for Madeleine. Now this.

Whatever would Clarence do without us?

Probably very well.

 

[tiredblondy]

When I think of mothers of missing children I think of Lee Cutler's mother, the missing 17 year old in Illinois. She is in so much pain.

 

[philamena]

Did you think Kate seemed in pain during the last interview?
I thought her pain and suffering seemed real.

 

[colomom]

Did you think Kate seemed in pain during the last interview?
I thought her pain and suffering seemed real.

I think she is in pain philamena, I can sense the pain.

I just get confused because the pain that I sense is different then what she expresses as her pain.

To be blunt, she wants us to believe that she is in pain because her daughter has been snatched. I think she is in pain because her daughter was lost at their hand and she is suffering from great personal regret and guilt for her part in that loss.

People have been hollering all over the net because they feel like her tears were fake. I disagree, they were real (even if not liquid, rolling down her cheeks). The problem is that if the tears were for Madeleine and for what she might be going through they would have been apparent from the start. I would have felt it in my heart when I watched her speak, from day one.

Instead, I have felt confusion from the start. Like, what is wrong with this picture, why does she/he not come across as genuine or sincere?

My first reaction to hearing about Madeleine's vanishing was fear for her and her circumstance, great sadness for our children and the scary world they live in, anger at someone who would dare to steal a child BUT, as soon as I heard them speak that changed. I felt confusion, suspicion and doubt. I was shocked that I felt that way, I fought it, I tried to rationalize it, I agonized over it. It never changed. It only got worse as time passed.

I still think the McCanns are hiding something, and more and more I think they are hiding something really, really big.

 

[Barnaby]

Colomon, I think a lot of her pain is caused by the fact that the majority of people do not believe her. Even if she had been involved in the death of Madeleine the tears of regret should have come in May. Sorry but i think any tears that may have appeared but were not actually spilled were for her not for Madeleine.

Like you I never wanted to believe they were involved despite being suspicious from the beginning but the more the circus continues the less sympathy I have for these people, they & they alone are perpetuating this farcical deception.