FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #1 *Arrest*

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Ugh I just can't fathom the mental gymnastics which must occur for people to so staunchly defend an amendment in one breath and lament religious freedom the next. So hypocritical.
 
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Tawny;13931832]IMO, We need to ask the forgiveness of each other and move forward with an open heart and open mind and even consider accepting those who do not bow down to any specific deity.
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MAYBE we are saying the same thing. How do we do that? Where do we start?
 
He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

It confirms to me that he was adopted as an infant so however he turned out is down to whatever happened after his adoption, not before. Children from abusive backgrounds who are taken into care and adopted at 4 or 5 years old often come with a lot of baggage that can't be undone however loving the new home is. Either this man was born bad or he became bad after his adoption.

We'd need to know about his biological parents DNA, and mental/medical histories. psychopathy could run in his family.
 
I was up almost all night thinking about this slaughter, crying, angry, bereft, thinking about my retired parents, who collectively taught in public schools for close to 70 years.

I just need to share my thoughts here, though I’m not sure how to best translate them to words. But I’m trying. Apologies in advance if things come out jumbled or awkward.

I thought about the generations of students they taught, led, counseled, mentored, and loved like their own children.

I thought about the teachers in Florida who died and were wounded protecting their “kids.” And I cried for the survivors, several who spoke to media and shared their horror on social media. They are all so articulate, so brave, so angry and confused and sad and horrified and wounded.

So much focus is on the 17 who died. I thank god they’re at peace. I think about them and wonder, “What will be their legacy? They are more than murdered children.”

The wounded — the survivors, their families, their friends, brothers, sisters, parents, teachers, coworkers, first responders, longterm care providers — their battle has just begun. The trajectories of their lives are forever affected.

I say, let’s listen to them. Really listen. They need us. Our support. Our protection.

When a high school student and survivor speaks about his little sister, a freshman, who lost two friends in the slaughter, he is unable to protect her, and adults have failed all of them.

My heart breaks.

We talk about how to best prevent these attacks.

We can and should enforce the laws we have (background checks, doctors being allowed to ask patients if they have access to lethal weapons, both of which are admittedly poorly enforced in Florida) and change the ones that don’t work.

There’s no excuse not too, imo. We owe it to the survivors and the massacred. There are too many already. Let’s stop this. Now.

To quote a survivor:

“Sadly, my sister, she’s a freshman and she had two of her best friends die. And that’s not acceptable. That is something we should not let happen in this country, especially when we’re going to school. It’s something we really need to take a look at. The fact that this is the 18th school shooting, and this is only February, it’s a testament to where this country has come, and how far. We need to dig out of this hole. We need to step out of it and take a look back and realize, there is something seriously wrong here. And some of our policy makers, and some people need to look in the mirror and take some action. Because ideas are great, but ideas stay ideas and children die.”

https://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.com/news/alisyn-camerota-florida-school-shooting-survivors/amp/

I will act to protect our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Kids and families and communities aren’t acceptable costs in the fight to protect our freedoms.

Yes. Even the two students who were part of the JROTC class and helped fellow students talked about it. They said the training they had received helped them, but it shouldn't be necessary. They were both adamant that kids in school today shouldn't have to live in fear, have all the training and security. They should be free to attend school and not have to worry about this stuff.

I do worry about how all this affects this generation, having to grow up in such fear. It's wrong and we should be doing more to give them a healthy, secure environment for their education.
 
He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

I suggest it could be something to do with the way that society keeps young people, especially boys, in a state of extended, even perpetual, childhood. They no longer grow up but remain emotionally toddlers and young children even when legally they're adults. Then we let them buy guns and express surprise when they throw a toddler tantrum.

I'm not convinced that the drive to keep more young people, especially lower potential ones, in school for longer does many of them any favours. Before WWII children in the UK normally left school at 14; after the war the minimum school leaving age was raised to 15, in the early 1970s to 16 and today it's 18. Until very recently staying on beyond the minimum leaving age has been a function of socio-economic position and academic ability. Today we are forcing young people to remain for years longer in an environment which is not suitable for them when they could be out in the workplace doing something basic but useful, earning a wage and growing up.

The UK's Open University was established in the 1960s to provide a distance learning route back into academic study while working part time for those who had left school young for social and economic reasons but now wanted to better their position.

http://www.open.ac.uk/

I believe they extended the age to keep teens from getting into more trouble unsupervised.
 
Press conference:

All victim families have been notified. Names will be released shortly.

Suspect in court at 2pm

Have been copycat threats today at other local schools. Will investigate all of them.

Will release a timeline at the next press conference
 
He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

A 19 year old who is severely autistic is very likely to be in permanent residential care because their needs are far too complex for a family to deal with. At least that's the position in the UK.

I agree. USA doesn't have that option. Too expensive. But, I think it's needed.
 
PC on now with local sheriff and governor. Sheriff said they've had some copycat threats around the county today. Didn't elaborate.
 
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MAYBE we are saying the same thing. How do we do that? Where do we start?

I think we start by calling out those little shaming moments when they happen. In this very thread, someone used the phrase "wimpy sissy men". That's shaming men who aren't big tough masculine guys. An effeminate boy will see that and internalize it.

We need to be willing to say simply, "Hey, that's not cool. Everyone is different." vs just ignoring it because someone might not like it. We need to be willing to stand up to our friends and family when they say things that are hurtful or when they make "jokes" that shame someone else. We are a "polite society" where we are supposed to "tolerate different opinions." Maybe if we were willing to TALK about why those "different opinions" can be hurtful, we would start to see some change. JMO.
 
I wonder when is the time to "have the conversation" Next time? the next or the next. Deeply saddened by yet another massacre. I'm grateful for the layers of protection I am provided in Canada. No feelings of my "rights" being violated. That's all I got. My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy.
 
He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

Formal training protocol is: run, hide, fight (in that order).

It’s sad that companies must do mandatory Active Shooter training now...

My daughter's school had zero security, no cameras, and active shooter drills. The principal said it will never happen here. After a series of older students molesting Kindergartens in the bathroom, I took her out.
This Middle School was in a nice area of Seattle, top-rated but refused to do anything to protect itself. Their theory is rich kids don't shoot other rich kids. um...
 
Press conference:

FBI received info about YouTube comment in 2017 but was unable to identify the person who made the comment.

(Me: interesting since the screen shots indicate comments were posted using his actual name) [emoji848]
 
I wonder when is the time to "have the conversation" Next time? the next or the next. Deeply saddened by yet another massacre. I'm grateful for the layers of protection I am provided in Canada. No feelings of my "rights" being violated. That's all I got. My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy.

As long as we have the toxic relationship we have with that Amendment and our "rights" we will never have a real conversation about change.
 
Elley mae <——someone.


I think we start by calling out those little shaming moments when they happen. In this very thread, someone used the phrase "wimpy sissy men". That's shaming men who aren't big tough masculine guys. An effeminate boy will see that and internalize it.

We need to be willing to say simply, "Hey, that's not cool. Everyone is different." vs just ignoring it because someone might not like it. We need to be willing to stand up to our friends and family when they say things that are hurtful or when they make "jokes" that shame someone else. We are a "polite society" where we are supposed to "tolerate different opinions." Maybe if we were willing to TALK about why those "different opinions" can be hurtful, we would start to see some change. JMO.
 
Elley mae <&#8212;&#8212;someone.

Wasn't a personal attack, that's why I didn't name you. You're not the only person in the world who calls effeminate men sissy. But if what I said struck a chord... I dunno.
 
He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

Wow. Treating kids like a pet you don't want to take care of anymore? It explains a lot. The anti-social behavior he displayed for so many years seems to indicate there were problems at home for a long time.

Then this:



No words. :notgood:

Sounds to me she couldn't handle him on her own w/o her husband. :(
 
He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

Very constricted pupils IMO. You can always see it in their eyes. They are either wide-eyed with constricted pupils OR their eyes are half-mast. Just look at mugshots of serious criminals, you'll see it.

What do you think cause it? Medications? Withdrawal? Adrenaline rush? Psychopathy?
 
I wonder when is the time to "have the conversation" Next time? the next or the next. Deeply saddened by yet another massacre. I'm grateful for the layers of protection I am provided in Canada. No feelings of my "rights" being violated. That's all I got. My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy.

Yeah. How many school districts in Canada feel it necessary to have "active shooter drills" to prepare kids for possible slaughter? My guess is not many to zero. JMO
 
It might get me in trouble but tbh, I'm more concerned about the feelings of people who are marginalized and shamed by society than the feelings of people who marginalize others with their flippant comments and hurtful "just jokes." *shrug*
 
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