FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

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A dude when young who used some bone spurrs four times to avoid this makes me kinda not able to visualize this guy running into machine guns. (running itself!)

Its kinda sit com funny !!

I think late night will have a field day with it tonight!!

good grief. I cannot imagine him walking fast let alone running.

I'm going to wait to hear more about Scott Peterson the security guard before I write him off as a coward. The media or others may be looking for a scapegoat right now.

 

[CARIIS]

Why did they feel the need to paint him as a coward?

I think the radio communications problems might end up having more to do with this than they are letting on.

They had a lot of problems that afternoon ( a lot) at one point a dispatcher got on and said something akin to keep chatter to a minimum our system is overloaded

 

[ohreally]

Why did they feel the need to paint him as a coward?

My opinion is that it all comes from the sherriffs comments. I believe that everyone believed the sheriff's comments and made thier comments from what he said. I believe the sheriff used this officer to have people look away from his own leadership in the department. It will all come out in the investigation then we will know better who is telling the whole story.
In the mean time the now retired officer and his family are having to be guarded to protect his family and him because of statements that may not be true by this sherriff. That to me is disgusting.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I understand the calls related by the Sheriff in his letter referred to NC only. other calls were in relation to other children in the home. Sheriff referred only to calls specific to NC

This:

Like many of the calls revealed by the Broward County Sheriff's Office, several of them involved domestic disturbance issues involving Cruz, his brother Zachary, and their adoptive mother.

Most of the calls involved their adoptive parents reporting that Zachary had not come home after curfew, or that he'd left the house without telling them or despite their objections. Others appear to be calls from neighbors, including one who reported the two brothers were throwing water balloons.

Others are unclear who is being referring to, though the call was made by a parent at the same home, reporting that their 12-year-old son was throwing things and cursing at a computer.

BuzzFeed News obtained the records from the sheriff's office after a request for information about all calls that were made to the Cruz's home.

LETTER from Sheriff Israel:
BSO had a total of 23 calls for service involving Nikolas Cruz or his family; and 18 of those involved Nikolas directly (the others involved his brother). Of the 18, nearly all but two involved routine calls from the mother relating to parenting issues (her sons were fighting; her son was banging pool equipment against the house; etc). BSO released the entire list of specifics of each call for service, and none were arrestable offences.

Of the two encounters that remain under review, it is worth noting that in a subsequent incident at school, the BSO SRO subsequently referred Nikolas to DCF, and Nikolas received mental health counseling, DCF supervision, and medication for 2.5 months before DCF closed the case. As to the final call which remains under BSO internal investigation: the BSO deputy who handled the call informed the reporting party (and noted in the CAD record) that Nikolas no longer resided in our jurisdiction, and advised the reporting party to contact law enforcement in his then‐current county of residence (Palm Beach County). As BSO only had 23 calls for service (including the 18 involving the killer), Mr. Hager’s claim of “39 visits by” BSO deputies is simply fiction.

 

[CARIIS]

[h=1]For the weary White House, Florida shooting offered a ‘reprieve’ from scandals[/h]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-the-weary-white-house-florida-shooting-offered-a-reprieve-from-scandals/2018/02/19/04293442-158a-11e8-92c9-376b4fe57ff7_story.html?utm_term=.38f4630f19da

 

[rotary_dial]

I understand the calls related by the Sheriff in his letter referred to NC only. other calls were in relation to other children in the home. Sheriff referred only to calls specific to NC

See the part of the article I quoted below.

Link to source proving they're being untruthful? TIA

The article itself shows they are lying.

The call records reviewed by BuzzFeed News show that the calls were made between Nov. 12, 2011, and Nov. 30, 2016. Most of them make no mention of Cruz, but some of the 23 calls that have been disclosed by the department also make no mention of the suspected shooter.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/dispatch-records-cruz-home
http://archive.is/apeo2

 

[x_files]

My opinion is that it all comes from the sherriffs comments. I believe that everyone believed the sheriff's comments and made thier comments from what he said. I believe the sheriff used this officer to have people look away from his own leadership in the department. It will all come out in the investigation then we will know better who is telling the whole story.
In the mean time the now retired officer and his family are having to be guarded to protect his family and him because of statements that may not be true by this sherriff. That to me is disgusting.

That's why I like to stick to the facts. It's so easy (self-included) to get over emotional and look for scapegoats.

 

[kaen]

I would go one further. Schools provide breakfast and lunch. Some even provide dinner. Maybe offer one those meals, with the stipulation it has to be eaten on the campus. No take out.

No offense but have you seen most school lunches these days. The schools would really get the better part of that bargain because I wouldn't think almost any adult would eat the school lunches at my school.

 

[x_files]

No offense but have you seen most school lunches these days. The schools would really get the better part of that bargain because I wouldn't think almost any adult would eat the school lunches at my school.

Public schools (some) feel more like a prison to me. Food included. If we want to encourage kids to learn not sure we are headed in the right direction. I think we're going to see more private schools, online school/classes, homeschoolling and other alt. school pop up. I wouldn't send my child to a public school right now.

 

[kaen]

There is no age associated with special ed. It is birth through 21. All situations are imdividual. I cannot remember how often IEP’s are reviewed. A parent can ask for a review at anytime.

For us, the IEP is updated every year to assess for major changes with a full re-eval at the 3 year mark. One way states save money is to send poorly worded letters that tell parents/guardians that unless they want any major change they can waive the 3 year full eval--- which is unfortunate b/c many with disabilities can't get college accommodations (through ADA for adults versus a more disability friendly IDEA) unless they have had a full eval in the past three years so those who waive the right often have to pay (once they left the school system) for an evaluation (3-5K in our area).

 

[kaen]

Public schools (some) feel more like a prison to me. Food included. If we want to encourage kids to learn not sure we are headed in the right direction. I think we're going to see more private schools, online school/classes, homeschoolling and other alt. school pop up. I wouldn't send my child to a public school right now.

I think there are many schools that are doing a very good job. Although my school is in the poorest district in my state, the teachers work very hard to provide a quality education. My oldest, a math whiz, took online classes delivered by the state of FL and he would tell you it was a waste of his time and our money as the curriculum and the program to deliver it were not interesting, repetitive and the assessments were bogus.

I have worked in charters. AS much as people tout them, I see where the money goes--into administration and bank accounts not into curriculum development and support students. Kids with disabilities are regularly shuttled out of charters and place back in the public school roles after the charter gets their yearly stipend for the student in mid-year---seen it at least 15 times.

 

[bears10]

No offense but have you seen most school lunches these days. The schools would really get the better part of that bargain because I wouldn't think almost any adult would eat the school lunches at my school.

My nephews school serves sushi, healthy wraps, made to order paninis, grilled chicken salad etc. My stepkids the same but no sushi. I guess it depends where you live.

 

[ohreally]

No offense but have you seen most school lunches these days. The schools would really get the better part of that bargain because I wouldn't think almost any adult would eat the school lunches at my school.

I eat school lunches quite frequently. Some of them I am not a fan of but others are very good. Some schools even have pizzas delivered and other items delivered in for lunches
It seems like such an inexpensive way to have more law enforcement on campuses. Maybe it will work maybe it won't, but it seems like something so easy and inexpensive to try.

 

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My nephews school serves sushi, healthy wraps, made to order paninis, grilled chicken salad etc. My stepkids the same but no sushi. I guess it depends where you live.

sounds awesome!

 

[kittythehare]

Why did they feel the need to paint him as a coward?

This dude attended his BSO training every year, I have not checked yet but I'm pretty sure he would have received training on how to discern the source of fire and the differences between indoor and outdoor firing from this particular weapon..
I think it's likely there is no way to mistake those sounds.

I think Israel knew this and he had no choice, but to fire or suspend or retire him.

That's the first thing that occurred to me when I saw his statement here tonight.

My perception was also that Israel was actually taking the rap by saying he was ashamed, he was ashamed because he was right to be ashamed, it's ultimately on his head if one of his officers screws up.
Having said all that, there were only 4 minutes...

He knew the building like the back of his hand, he'd been working there for years, he would have been aware of entrances, exits and secret places students would never have known. It is possible he decided he hadn't a hope in hell, if he had an idea
where the shots were coming from, and opted for self preservation.
I've been following the case, but not here and from a totally different perspective and my honest impression was that Broward Co Dept did an amazing communications job-no comparison what soever to LVPD.. and were really communicating with transparency and integrity. and I was hugely grateful..

Cruz was moving fast.. not sure what total number of minutes killing duration..

Not sure deputy would have either caught him in action and taken him out or whether he would have certainly died had he entered that building.

I also note that when emma asked Mrs NRA the single question about semi automatics, the only answer she received, amidst all the modeling, identifying, ingratiating manoevres, which appeared desperate, at times,her ultimate aim was to lay blame on the police.
and Trump echoed that blame again earlier today..
There's a lot of people with stakes in the doubts that have been sown.. guess it boils down to who one wants to believe..

 

[drama_farmer]

I suppose. ?? The commenter also mentioned another way these 'not courageous' LE officers drag their feet confronting

armed offenders is they somehow 'get lost' on their way to crime scene, or they dally getting there. I guess LE are

just human with all the same fears and emotions.

bbm

Great point! Whenever I find myself judging others (overtly or subconsciously) I remind myself of that fact.
I think another issue is that some of the officers who are assigned to "low risk" environments have gone a while without training, the kind of high-intensity, repetitive firearm and perp engagement exercises. I believe that one of the reasons training needs to be an on-going process is because repetition creates an almost automatic response. I guess that's the same reason for all of the fire alarm and "active shooter" drills we see on the part of just regular civilians.

 

[bears10]

sounds awesome!

It is. School lunch has come a far way where I live. I went to the same school my nephew goes to, and we def didn’t have all they have. But I’m glad they have healthier options and more variety. We DID have slightly undercooked choc chip cookies though, and they were amazing. So I’m not bitter lol.

 

[kittythehare]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...-shooting-peterson-lawyer-20180226-story.html

Pete Blair, a professor of criminal justice and director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University in San Marcos, said more information was needed to know if Peterson was genuinely confused about the source of the gunshots or simply trying to avoid injury.
“What we train officers to do is to go to the sounds of gunfire,” he said. “We know that every second you delay is time that people could get killed, and so there’s that real emphasis on getting in there and finding, isolating, distracting and neutralizing the bad guy. But if there’s confusion about where the gunfire is coming from, that certainly can slow that process down.”


n a complex like Marjory Stoneman Douglass High School, he said, the sound of gunfire can bounce off buildings and appear to be coming from somewhere else.
“I haven’t seen the video to see if he’s really looking for where the gunfire is coming from or if he’s just hunkering down,” he said. “But it could be a possible explanation.”

Looks like the jury's out still on the sound.. might be better analysis online, if I find it I'll bring it here.

 

[Doghairrules]

President Donald J. Trump criticizes officers' response to the Parkland, Florida, shooting. "The way they performed was frankly disgusting... I really believe I’d run in there even if I didn’t have a weapon."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/politics/trump-florida-school-without-a-weapon/index.html

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I believe it’s easy to say things like that if you’ve never, ever been in such a situation. And this is a man who won’t share an umbrella with his wife and child, so pardon me for being skeptical.

 

[CARIIS]

I believe it’s easy to say things like that if you’ve never, ever been in such a situation. And this is a man who won’t share an umbrella with his wife and child, so pardon me for being skeptical.

and bone spurs

4 times !!