FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[Spellbound]

Jenny, cruz set off the fire alarm.

Are we sure of this? I have seen that he set it off, and also that it probably went off due to the smoke/heat from all the shooting. Sorry, I didn’t save links, though.

ETA: I found a link:

Shortly after the shooting commenced, a fire alarm went off. It’s unclear whether Cruz deliberately set off the alarm. Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said later it was likely tripped by smoke from the firing of the assault rifle in the closed hallway.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200661169.html

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200661169.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Spellbound]

The article says this—

Shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz had swastikas on ammunition magazines

I have read this on a few other sites, too. Here is one:

http://www.businessinsider.com/niko...180-rounds-ammunition-florida-shooting-2018-2
Investigators believe Cruz had tried to gun down down fleeing students from a makeshift sniper's nest on the third floor of the building, but that hurricane-proof glass in the stairwell window stopped his bullets.

A law enforcement source told CNN that Cruz still had roughly 180 rounds of ammunition left when he grew frustrated with the reload attempt and fled.
Authorities said Cruz then ditched his weapon and escaped by blending into a crowd of students. The source also told CNN that Cruz had swastikas etched onto the magazines.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

This is strange.
There is a report that he had an inheritance of $800,000.. he became paranoid that the first family that took him in following his mother's death just did it in order to get their hands on his inheritance.

they were not a poor family, so I , like x-files am thinking it's possible she had coping difficulties following her husband's death..
It is possible that the locking up of the food was her attempt to control what is not controllable.. that her own mental health suffered a decline..

The 800k was what *he* told the family that took him in. I would not be at all surprised if it was not true.

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

either that or lost control of them as they got older after her husband died.

Probably a lot of factors. She was older and so less physically able to handle two active boys, at least one of which had serious emotional/mental issues. Kids with those kinds of issues can be extremely difficult for any parent to handle, regardless of age. No father. As the kids grew into their teen years, no doubt they became physically stronger than her. At her age, she may have had her own health issues.

It's so easy to blame a child's behavior on a lack of discipline, but I think that's overly simplistic. If a child is unable to control his impulses, or goes into violent rages, due to emotional/mental issues, discipline isn't going to make a bit of difference.

He was in counseling, attended an alternative school, and IIRC, was on meds. The problem is, someone in need of this kind of help has to *want* the help and has to cooperate. I'm sure his mother wasn't able to hold him down and force him to take his meds.

There are no easy answers here, and I'm not willing to blame a dead woman who had to raise a mentally ill child (or two) on her own at an advanced age. She rolled the dice on adoption and lost, and only a couple of years later unexpectedly became a single parent. Had she been fortunate enough to adopt a neuro-typical child, the outcome would have been different, and some other adoptive parent would be in the spotlight.

She did, indeed, raise this monster, but she didn't create him.

Moo and all that.

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[Gooddeeds]

The younger half-brother of accused Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz appears to have broken his silence more than a week after the massacre.

A person identifying himself as Zachary Cruz opened up his Facebook page to the public — posting a new profile photo of two smiling little boys hugging each other and the message “Appreciate all the positive messages” with heart emojis — late Saturday.

If it is Zachary’s page, it would be the first time he has been heard from since the Feb. 14 shooting. He was involuntarily committed for mental observation Feb. 16.

A heart-wrenching photo obtained by The Post showed the boys holding their mother’s urn at her funeral late last year.

A source close to Lynda and Deschamps said it was the caretaker who had Zachary committed.

Deschamps is seeking permission from a court to settle Lynda’s estate, which could be worth up to $1 million. She could not keep the money herself but could charge a fee for doling it out to Lynda’s heirs, legal experts have said.

Snipped from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...pears-to-post-old-photo-thank-supporters/amp/

(New photo in the link of them together at a younger age)

 

[HMSHood]

I haven't seen any mention of his bio parents. Supposedly NC's Mom said the bio Mom was a drug addict. Posters
here speculated she may have been prostituting to get drugs in which case maybe she didn't know who dad was.

NC was shown in court signing some papers. Other than that I haven't seen any handwriting.

EXCLUSIVE - 'This is the signature of a nonconformist': Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz's chaotic, childlike handwriting reveals an identity crisis and his impulsive, defiant nature, say experts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5441889/Nikolas-Cruzs-childlike-handwriting-reveals.html

Nikolas Cruz's childlike signature can be revealed in court documents and his scrawl-like writing reveals his chaotic, impulsive personality, DailyMail.com can reveal.

The signature was contained in a court document filed last week but was signed by Cruz on February 15, a day after he killed 17 people at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.

According to two handwriting experts, it is indicative of a nonconformist who does not know who he is and has a desire to stand apart from the crowd.

This is from his signature. It would be nice to see more of his handwriting.

Characteristics Of Nikolas Cruz's Handwriting
-Chaotic And Disjointed
-Stingers In K's, I's, And O's
-O's Look Like Numbers
-Z's Not Consistent
-Mix Of Capitals And Lower Case
-Left Angles

Stephen Paddock's Handwriting

Characteristics Of Stephen Paddock's Handwriting
-Straight And Right Angles
-Consistent Pressure And Bold
-Use Of Print And Cursive
-Signature Looks Like Scribble

Lori Drew's Handwriting

Characteristics Of Lori Drew's Handwriting
-Inconsistent Pressure
-Considerable Muddying
-Mostly Right Angles
-Some F's And G's Look Like Numbers
-Numbers Look Like Letters
-Use Of Print And Cursive
-Inconsistent Spacing
-Wording Is Spaced, While Within Words Less Space
-Slants All Over The Place, Straight, Upward, And Downward
-Stingers In C's
-Lower Part Of A's Are Angled
-Cursive L's Look Like Cross Between Print And Cursive

Jerry Sandusky's Handwriting

Characteristics Of Jerry Sandusky's Handwriting
-Consistent Pressure
-Considerable Muddying, It Is Ubiquitous
-Mostly Right Angles
-Use Only Cursive
-Consistent Spacing
-Slants Are Mostly Straight With Some Downward Slant
-Stingers In C's
-The Dot Above "I" Is To T

Osama bin Laden's Handwriting

It is is Arabic.

Characteristics Of Osama bin Laden's Handwriting
-Consistent Pressure
-Considerable Muddying
-Heavy Pressure

Osoma bin Laden's Handwriting
http://www.annakoren.com/report-sep-eng.html

5 Hell Traits Revealed in Handwriting
https://handwritinguniversity.com/members/weekly-newsletters/5hell-traits/

Looking at all their handwritings, this suggests they are more similar to each other.

 

[Gooddeeds]

They are. They want judge recused.
They are fighting to avoid the death penalty for him.

I'm not sure his fragile mind will be able to return from what he has done.. The enormity of his action.
Could he have been rehabilitated prior to the shooting?
I'm not sure how ill he was.. or the exact nature or accuracy or extent of his alleged autism or adhd..
We actually know very little of him, at all..
we only have a list of incidents.. It's pretty one dimensional.
I did feel a huge compassion for him when I saw him in court and I was glad his defence was showing him kindness..

Maybe , in prison he will receive help.. maybe working at gardening or something grounding will heal him a little.. or maybe he will be so distressed from his memories that he will be heavily medicated for the rest of his life..or commit suicide..
With healing will come realisation.. he may not be able to integrate it.

I read that the judge is politically motivated and that may be the reason they are trying to recuse her.

 

[HMSHood]

The younger half-brother of accused Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz appears to have broken his silence more than a week after the massacre.

A person identifying himself as Zachary Cruz opened up his Facebook page to the public — posting a new profile photo of two smiling little boys hugging each other and the message “Appreciate all the positive messages” with heart emojis — late Saturday.

If it is Zachary’s page, it would be the first time he has been heard from since the Feb. 14 shooting. He was involuntarily committed for mental observation Feb. 16.

A heart-wrenching photo obtained by The Post showed the boys holding their mother’s urn at her funeral late last year.

A source close to Lynda and Deschamps said it was the caretaker who had Zachary committed.

Deschamps is seeking permission from a court to settle Lynda’s estate, which could be worth up to $1 million. She could not keep the money herself but could charge a fee for doling it out to Lynda’s heirs, legal experts have said.

Snipped from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...pears-to-post-old-photo-thank-supporters/amp/

(New photo in the link of them together at a younger age)

The Facebook posting is gone.

I happen to see a photo of Zachary Cruz. Nikolas Cruz had used the n-word in the past and even wrote it on his binder.

 

[Gooddeeds]

The 800k was what *he* told the family that took him in. I would not be at all surprised if it was not true.

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I believe they are in the process of confirming the inheritance and determining whether he can pay for legal counsel.

The Sneads said they were going to ‘help him invest’ his first installment of 25K.

Roxy Deschamps who has filed for managing the estate has a previous but non related to Cruz criminal record for fraud. The Snead’s initially defended her regarding the $2900 taken from Cruz claiming it was just ‘common identity theft’ when he moved in.

I don’t know how or if they were able to prove that and at the same time maintain they had no clue about his run ins with LE. If they were in communication with Roxy about the ‘common identity theft’ it seems she would have taken the opportunity to fill them in on the other pressing issues.

(Above all linked upthread)

 

[kaen]

The 800k was what *he* told the family that took him in. I would not be at all surprised if it was not true.

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Somewhere I remember that there is funds from a wrongful death suit (from his father's death) that is a trust for both boys. I thought the payouts were 25k a year for long period of time. I will have to look for the link.

 

[mpnola]

Former neighbor says she knew Cruz would eventually shoot up a school.
She says Lynda Cruz used to lock up their food cause she was on a budget.....Uh Oh.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/us/nikolas-cruz-neighbor/index.html

Oh, yall. I see several people saying this is why she had no friends. Well, that might be true. But, almost everything that was described in the article is stuff I saw on a daily basis. It is part of emotional issues/ mental health/ autism/ disabilities. .... it's not parenting. Was she a perfect parent? No doubt, she was not. None of us are.

But the lock on the food? We had several clients who would literally eat themselves to death or hoard food where it became a health hazard, with critters and mold. We had to get human rights committee to approve locking food, just like that. Holes in the walls? I already told yall, I tried everything to stop the holes including removing to the yard to swing and placing rubber mats on the walls, and still he found a way to punch holes. I don't remember everything else in there. I get that this behavior might sound alarming to lots of people. But, for anyone who has a child with serious behavioral.or mental health issues or worked in the system, we know this is not unusual. It is quite typical.

I am in no way saying shooting a school up is typical. It's all the things that have caused fingers pointed at the dead mom like she was a horrible parent. Most of those behaviors are typical from this population. I am going to try to find some films I used to use in training, so people can understand more clearly what is dealt with by parents and caregivers. It is not easy.

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Somewhere I remember that there is funds from a wrongful death suit (from his father's death) that is a trust for both boys. I thought the payouts were 25k a year for long period of time. I will have to look for the link.

IIRC, the settlement was around 175k. Typically, the attorney would take a third, so that would leave around 115k, split between the two boys, so roughly, 58k each. And if the settlement wasn't worded exactly right, it may have been taxable.

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[human]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8e748f892c0_story.html?utm_term=.d00b88512580

Bruna and the 3,300 students of Stoneman Douglas High join a growing roster of people who have survived school shootings, many grappling with injuries or the effects of trauma for the rest of their lives. For the survivors of Building 12, the hulking, three-story building where police say a former classmate decided to open fire on about 550 students, the memories are especially vivid.

An ongoing Washington Post analysis has found that more than 150,000 students attending at least 170 primary or secondary schools have experienced a campus shooting since the 1999 Columbine High massacre. And research has shown that standardized test scores fall among students who remain at schools where there has been a fatal shooting.

 

[mpnola]

I forgot to mention that I still had the Thursday episode of Dr Phil on my tivo and it was about this! There were several students telling their stories, as well as survivors of Columbine. Seeing the hard life the Columbine girls have dealt with makes me so sad for all these young kids. It was a good episode.

Also, a teacher was on there and was just falling apart. This has damaged so many. Horrific and so sad.

Dr Phil did say there was no reason for him not to shoot the kid in the bathroom except he had looked him.in the eye and saw him as human. That the rest was likely down the hall type thing where he didn't have to look at them as individuals

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[sds71]

https://nypost.com/2018/02/27/alleged-school-shooters-mom-paid-50k-to-adopt-him-from-drug-addict/
school shooter's mom paid $50K to adopt him from 'drug addict'

 

[MsFacetious]

A few days back I posted a thread about John La Due- he had planned to shoot up and bomb a school but someone in the community happened to see him going to a storage locker and thought it looked suspicious, and his plan was thwarted.

WBUR interviewed him in light of this shooting- you can listen to the interview here, where he talks about what was going on in his mind that led him to plan the attack.

http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/02/26/john-ladue-foiled-school-attack

He plead to a felony charge, but did not go to prison.

here is a good article on the original plan that was thwarted: https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/us/minnesota-foiled-school-massacre-john-ladue/index.html

To my knowledge, he is the only person who had planned and gotten close to carrying out a mass shooting and lived to tell us about it afterwards. Most of these folks kill themselves or get killed by cops. James Holmes is another who is alive, but he hasn't done any media interviews.

The thread on him is here, not much there though:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...acre-plot-Waseca-2014&p=13959109#post13959109

 

[enelram]

Oh, yall. I see several people saying this is why she had no friends. Well, that might be true. But, almost everything that was described in the article is stuff I saw on a daily basis. It is part of emotional issues/ mental health/ autism/ disabilities. .... it's not parenting. Was she a perfect parent? No doubt, she was not. None of us are.

But the lock on the food? We had several clients who would literally eat themselves to death or hoard food where it became a health hazard, with critters and mold. We had to get human rights committee to approve locking food, just like that. Holes in the walls? I already told yall, I tried everything to stop the holes including removing to the yard to swing and placing rubber mats on the walls, and still he found a way to punch holes. I don't remember everything else in there. I get that this behavior might sound alarming to lots of people. But, for anyone who has a child with serious behavioral.or mental health issues or worked in the system, we know this is not unusual. It is quite typical.

I am in no way saying shooting a school up is typical. It's all the things that have caused fingers pointed at the dead mom like she was a horrible parent. Most of those behaviors are typical from this population. I am going to try to find some films I used to use in training, so people can understand more clearly what is dealt with by parents and caregivers. It is not easy.

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Thank you for giving us some insight on what an overwhelming task it is to 'manage' these damaged children.

In reading up on 'managing' these children I came across several tips for parents on keeping them stable.

- punishment is totally different and normal punishment does not work because their brains do not work the same.
Remember one of NC's teachers in middle school made a comment on his report that stated Nikolas does not
understand the results of his behavior- did not comprehend cause and effect. Not a normal brain or thought process.

- Food- Need regular meals at scheduled times. Apparently their bodies and brains are susceptible to things like
low sugar etc. Also they tend to get dehydration easily because they do not realize they need to drink regularly.

- Supervision- These kids need need hands on, round the clock supervision or they will find their own amusements
and get into trouble. They will likely need this supervision for the rest of their lives.

Does anyone else see what an utter impossible human task it would be having a NC in your home? 24/7 care and
attention. I can't imagine what Lynda Cruz went through but it had to be tiring and mentally exhausting to be alone
shackled with this responsibility. And as he grew, it just got worse.

 

[jjenny]

IIRC, the settlement was around 175k. Typically, the attorney would take a third, so that would leave around 115k, split between the two boys, so roughly, 58k each. And if the settlement wasn't worded exactly right, it may have been taxable.

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Yes, it's nowhere near $800 k he supposedly was getting.

 

[jjenny]

...

I don’t know how or if they were able to prove that and at the same time maintain they had no clue about his run ins with LE. ...

(Above all linked upthread)

The caller who left a tip for FBI claimed they tried to warn the family who took him in, leaving phone calls, but these phone calls were never returned. So it sounds like they didn't want to know.

 

[jjenny]

The article says this—

Shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz had swastikas on ammunition magazines

Well, it sounds like he had it on book bag (previously reported) and ammunition magazines (recent article).