FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #3

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Don't know if this has been answered yet, but the murder took place between two rows of condos, behind them. There is no road there, so I would assume there would be no video of the scene.

What bothers me is that Trayvon was found laying on his stomach with his hands beneath them. If he had been shot while laying on top of GZ and GZ stood up, he would have been laying on his back. How did he get into this position? Was he shot in the back while trying to escape and fell forward?

If GZ had shot Trayvon while being on top of him and GZ slithered out from under him, that position could be feasible.

It's been a month. Where is the autopsy report in the state of Sunshine Laws? Which side had the entrance wound?

I want to see the coroner's report and autopsy. The positioning of the body troubles me as well. We have witnesses saying GZ was straddling a prone Trayvon. Now we discover not only was Tray prone but face first.

I will not be shocked if it turns out this kid was shot in the back as he tried to escape the crazy stalker man.
 
If there was an altercation, and Zimmerman was on the ground, Tray on top of him, WHY was Tray found lying on his stomach with his hands underneath him? How does that make sense?

To be face down, Zimmerman would have had to have fired from a standing position, far enough back for Tray to fall forward.....

Anyone have any other explanation for how Tray might have ended up, face down with his hands underneath him?

Salem

He was shot in the back as he was running away????
 
Why does that police report (post 81) include the weight of every single witness, and the victim, but no weight is recorded for the subject?

AND....why did these reports which were written around 2-3 am have Trayvon's name, DOB, and height and weight on them but no one attempted to locate or notify his family at that time???? He must have had some kind of ID on him for them to get that information for the report!
 
If there was an altercation, and Zimmerman was on the ground, Tray on top of him, WHY was Tray found lying on his stomach with his hands underneath him? How does that make sense?

To be face down, Zimmerman would have had to have fired from a standing position, far enough back for Tray to fall forward.....

Anyone have any other explanation for how Tray might have ended up, face down with his hands underneath him?

Salem

IF, big IF, Trayvon did not die immediately, maybe he rolled over on his own to protect his chest?

That's what I hope, because every other thought process on this leads me to believe he was shot in the back.
 
If there was an altercation, and Zimmerman was on the ground, Tray on top of him, WHY was Tray found lying on his stomach with his hands underneath him? How does that make sense?

To be face down, Zimmerman would have had to have fired from a standing position, far enough back for Tray to fall forward.....

Anyone have any other explanation for how Tray might have ended up, face down with his hands underneath him?

Salem

If he didn't die instantly why couldn't it be that he stood up, staggered and fell face first? Or maybe GZ moved out from underneath him as Trayvon slumped forward (face first).
 
Here is a letter from the city manager of Sanford with some questions answered by Chief Lee. Very interesting.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86330859/Zimmerman-Martin-Shooting

Clearly a CYA from the Police Chief. In no way, does FL law PROHIBIT (all caps from him) LE from arresting a person who claims self-defense. And that part about GZ "misconstrued" his criminal history indicates (to me) that they didn't run a background check on him that night. JMO.
 
Author of "stand your ground" law:
George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for killing Trayvon Martin

t is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.

"The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."

Both co-sponsors told the newspaper, however, that they did not think the law needed to be re-examined.

"If you want to pass something, pass something that limits their ability to pursue and confront people," Baxley said. "It's about crime watch," he said. "What are the limitations of crime watch? Are you allowed to jump out and follow people and confront them? What do you think is going to happen? That's where it starts."
video at link-
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...bably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/

I agree with this and I am glad to see the authors of the statute say this. There is nothing wrong with standing your ground and protecting yourself from the likes of people like GZ. Tray had a right to stand his ground. GZ had no right to shoot him. GZ had no right to "stand his ground" because he was NOT standing his ground, he was pursuing an individual because he didn't like the way the individual looked.

I still say that Sanford LE is using this law as an excuse for their failure to investigate and arrest GZ. And it is a very weak excuse.

Salem
 
If Trayvon was on top of him, GZ would have been covered in Tray's blood, did police note if he was or not? Do they have his clothes?
 
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...-were-barred-arresting-trayvon-134007644.html
Sanford city manager says police were barred from arresting Trayvon Martin’s killer

They are in major CYA mode.

And this;

Bonaparte writes that the official was merely telling the elder Martin how Zimmerman had portrayed himself. "We believe Mr. Martin may have misconstrued this information," he adds.

Uh, so what? That may be even worse, why would police even tell the victim's father that, to me it shows just how much they took his word for everything.

But yeah, let's say now that Tray's father misconstrued it all. Just like they needed to "correct" witnesses who heard Tray screaming. They obviously just took GZ's word for that one too.

JMHO
 
Here is a letter from the city manager of Sanford with some questions answered by Chief Lee. Very interesting.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86330859/Zimmerman-Martin-Shooting

from the link:
Why was George Zimmerman labeled as “squeaky clean” when in fact he has a prior arrest history?
In one of the initial meetings with the father of the victim the investigator related to him the account that Mr. Zimmerman provided of the incident. At that time the investigator said that Mr.Zimmerman portrayed himself to be “squeaky clean”. We are aware of the background information regarding both individuals involved in this event. We believe Mr. Martin may have misconstrued this information.
Well, I'll give Chief Lee points for consistency, alright. He never bypasses an opportunity to get in a dig at the victim(s). So, Mr. Martin misconstrued or misrepresented what the investigator said? Why would the investigator bother to share that information with Trayvon's father in the first place if he doubted Zimmerman's veracity? Just like the rest of the SPD's investigation, that doesn't pass the smell test, IMO.

"We are aware of the background information regarding both individuals involved in this event."

Well so are we, Chief Lee, and TM didn't have any sort of record. But nice try at implying there was something questionable there.
 
I say more power to them. In fact, it would suit me to know that every single high school in our not so great state of Florida would get up and walk out in protest over this major injustice.
 

I wish I could watch but I don't have cable.... Sigh...

But reading the answers of you dear fellow WS members, supporters and friends, make me think that it is more than clear that only arrests and proper investigation can solve the situation.... Even though proper investigation will be more than hard because of the incompetency so far and the loss of important evidence......

My prayers and hope for Trayvon and his family...

Micci
 
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