FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #3

[rotterdam]

I don't believe whatsoever there was some big giant cover up to protect Zimmerman. I think Zimmerman told police early on he acted in self-defense. Knowing full well that because of "stand your ground" law it was going to be very hard to put him on trial police investigated the exact same way they would in these type of cases.

I do believe there was a big cover up because GZ appears to have an intimate relation with the SPD and might have helped him in the past with criminal cases.It was "cashing in favors" time.

 

[SuziQ]

I believe Zimmerman claims the fact it was he, Zimmerman, pleading for his life, not Martin.

Trayvon's parents would dispute this with you and Zimmerman has a reason to lie.

 

[Boytwnmom]

it's a real, present and understandable fear. The President was asked about it and answered honestly and simply. I am saddened by the fact that this happened and anyone has to comment on it. Is it better to ignore it? I guess the people cheering GZ on would prefer it that way.

I see nothing political about the acknowledgement from the President that he empathizes in a real way, because it's a simple biological fact that if he had a son he would probably appear black as do his other children. It's not a political statement-it's the damn truth. There are no politics here. Everyone I know, of any political persuasion, is sickened by this. Gov Scott has appointed a special task force and expressed concern that something like this never happen again and he is certainly not of the same political persuasion. But maybe if people start saying it and repeat it enough they will make it political. I don't know the politics of political affiliation of any person involved in this tragedy but maybe you do.

Too true. I am particularly saddened by President Obama's "my [imaginary] son would look like Trayvon" statement. <snip> Let the political games begin! (sigh)

 

[annalia]

Holy cow! I'm not allowed to watch video at work so i'm glad it's finally quitting time and I can go watch it at home! A part of me thinks it's a 911 call from when his dad started a grease fire (? might be rumor ?) but if it "holds the key to the investigation" it must be relevant, one would think/hope?!?!?!

Thanks for posting that!

It said that Trayvon made the 911 call shortly before his death.

 

[vlpate]

CNN - Anderson Cooper will have Zimmerman's attorney on tonight. Defense attorneys, ech.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Trayvon made his own 911 call, the FBI has it and are enhancing, says holds the key to the investigation

at the very end of the vid

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate&section#global

Wow! Now that is NEW news. Interesting. That reporter is out of Chicago - wonder where he got that piece of info from. Says Trayvon made his own 911 call and the GZ's voice can be heard in the background.

If this is true - could be even more proof that Trayvon did not attack GZ. After all if Trayvon was attacking GZ why in the world would he call 911? Plus, to hear what GZ was saying the background - hhhmmm....... and how far in the background - was Trayvon running away while calling 911?



JMHO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

as well as the known facts do not in anyway lead to Trayvon being the aggressor. On one hand you have a jacked up guy with a gun stalking a boy and calling 911 on him because he's decided the boy is up to no good and then is concerned this black boy will get away like all the other a%^holes did and then we know he followed Trayvon despite being told not to and despite being Mr. Neighborhood Watch who should have known that the watchers don't apprehend, follow or carry weapons. On the other hand you have a boy going out during a game the family is watching on TV to get snacks and he 's walking home talking to his girlfriend and tells her some strange guy is following him and he walks fast to get away but since stalker vigilante is persistent he pops up in front of Trayvon to confront him.

So, we're to believe GZ's story that, at that point he was retreating to his car and Trayvon jumped him....and then what....he had to shoot him ...THE END...OK, move along, nothing to see here....

The eyewitness account of the fight and GZ's injuries certainly point to the possibility of Trayvon being an aggressor, and there's no evidence of GZ being intoxicated. GZ was well within his rights to follow him and if he was attacked, he was allowed to defend himself.

 

[Boytwnmom]

by "up to no good" and calling 911 to have the police come and apprehend Trayvon? He wasn't assuming criminal intent on the part of Trayvon? When he was saying how all the other a$%holes had gotten away he didn't mean all the others who committed the crimes he was so concerned about? So, tell me, what was it that he meant that makes mo so crazy to assume he meant Trayvon was a criminal. I consider myself fairly logical so I need to be educated about what it was that he meant as I stupidly concluded that he deduced that Trayvon had already committed or was about to commit a crime and that police intervention was necessary and without it, Trayvon would "get away". If one isn't a criminal what does it matter if they "get away"? What does "get away" even mean in that context? I guess I need to be enlightened.

<snipped for brevity>

Dangerous criminal? Why? Is it not bad enough as it is?[/QUOTE]

 

[HiHater]

Trayvon made his own 911 call, the FBI has it and are enhancing, says holds the key to the investigation

at the very end of the vid

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate&section#global

WOW! Who calls 911 as they are administering a life threatening beating to another person?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

The city and the police department have posted dribs and drabs of the case. Some of Zimmerman's statements here, some there.

Time to release Zimmerman's whole statement, what was Martin doing to him to make him sound like a slaughtered lamb because that is just what that crying sounded like to me.

What were the wounds on Zimmerman's body that made him cry like that and what were the wounds on Martins body.

Time to release Zimmerman's statement.

What on Earth are you basing that on??

 

[Yoda]

WOW! Who calls 911 as they are administering a life threatening beating to another person?

Any info on when he called? His girlfriend said she was talking to him on the phone when it happened.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Trayvon's parents would dispute this with you and Zimmerman has a reason to lie.

Actually his dad said he didn't think it was Trayvon screaming.

 

[Sensei]

Holy cow! I'm not allowed to watch video at work so i'm glad it's finally quitting time and I can go watch it at home! A part of me thinks it's a 911 call from when his dad started a grease fire (? might be rumor ?) but if it "holds the key to the investigation" it must be relevant, one would think/hope?!?!?!

Thanks for posting that!

I second that Holy Cow....dueling 911 calls....If there is a 911 call from Trayvon, then GZimmerman just lost every pretension to SYG that he could tenuously claim....it indicates that the person who was being followed was afraid and intimidated,

 

[SuziQ]

Amen to that.

Zimmerman also claimed that he had a "squeaky-clean record" and that he was getting out of his vehicle to check the name of the street. Nevermind that there are only three streets in the entire complex.

Zimmerman also uses the victim claim after he's confronted with domestic violence complaints. I see a pattern.....

 

[Horace Finklestein]

it's a real, present and understandable fear. The President was asked about it and answered honestly and simply. I am saddened by the fact that this happened and anyone has to comment on it. Is it better to ignore it? I guess the people cheering GZ on would prefer it that way.

I see nothing political about the acknowledgement from the President that he empathizes in a real way, because it's a simple biological fact that if he had a son he would probably appear black as do his other children. It's not a political statement-it's the damn truth. There are no politics here. Everyone I know, of any political persuasion, is sickened by this. Gov Scott has appointed a special task force and expressed concern that something like this never happen again and he is certainly not of the same political persuasion. But maybe if people start saying it and repeat it enough they will make it political. I don't know the politics of political affiliation of any person involved in this tragedy but maybe you do.

Of course it's political. He started off by saying it was a local issue. As it gained momentum as a story, he knew he could make some political hay out of it. He is mysteriously silent on the numerous murders of black kids in his home town of Chicago.

 

[Sensei]

Any info on when he called? His girlfriend said she was talking to him on the phone when it happened.

Perhaps he called after the girlfriend lost connection and before he was shot.

 

[jjenny]

Wow! Now that is NEW news. Interesting. That reporter is out of Chicago - wonder where he got that piece of info from. Says Trayvon made his own 911 call and the GZ's voice can be heard in the background.

If this is true - could be even more proof that Trayvon did not attack GZ. After all if Trayvon was attacking GZ why in the world would he call 911? Plus, to hear what GZ was saying the background - hhhmmm....... and how far in the background - was Trayvon running away while calling 911?



JMHO

When would Trayvon have time to make a call? GF said he was on the phone with her right up until GZ showed up.

 

[LambChop]

The eyewitness account of the fight and GZ's injuries certainly point to the possibility of Trayvon being an aggressor, and there's no evidence of GZ being intoxicated. GZ was well within his rights to follow him and if he was attacked, he was allowed to defend himself.

But on the other hand what about TM? TM was not following GZ. GZ admits to following TM so wouldn't TM have the right to defend himself? Problem is like most of us TM did not have a weapon. If this were allowed to happen all the time no one would be able to leave their homes in fear of getting shot. What was GZ's motivation to follow TM? GZ said it himself, "they always get away" and GZ was making sure this one didn't, only he was mistaken because TM belonged there even if it were only temporary stay TM had a right to be where he was.

We can't argue with the fact that if GZ had stayed with his truck as he was told to do this never would have happened. jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmermanprovided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported byphysical evidence and testimony.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86330859/Zimmerman-Martin-Shooting


According to the police report that statement is not true. The officer said Zimmerman told him he shot Martin. He never said it was in self defense.

 

[SuziQ]

I am not basing my opinion that Zimmerman could have been the one screaming simply on what Zimmerman said. People saw the two of them fight, and one witness did say it was Zimmerman screaming.

But isn't that witness the one who is stating that she said Trayvon was screaming and LE told her that Zimmerman was?