FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #3

[Yoda]

I can only find that one channel with that info. Any other links about TM calling 911?

 

[vlpate]

Trayvon made his own 911 call, the FBI has it and are enhancing, says holds the key to the investigation

at the very end of the vid

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399&syndicate=syndicate&section#global

I can't get the video to work and I've yet to find an article online. Is this another ABC exclusive? Was that all that was said?

I'm puzzled over how Trayvon could have made a call to 911 if Zimmerman knocked his phone out of his hands.

 

[jjenny]

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmermanprovided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported byphysical evidence and testimony.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86330859/Zimmerman-Martin-Shooting


According to the police report that statement is not true. The officer said Zimmerman told him he shot Martin. He never said it was in self defense.

I think its obvious Zimmerman was claiming this to be self-defense from the start.

 

[jjenny]

But isn't that witness the one who is stating that she said Trayvon was screaming and LE told her that Zimmerman was?

No. It's not the same.

 

[LambChop]

When would Trayvon have time to make a call? GF said he was on the phone with her right up until GZ showed up.

At the disconnect he probably hit the 911 button. I have one on my phone. Why would he call 911 if he was planning on fighting with GZ. Just TM calling 911 is significant IMO. jmo

 

[Wise Old Owl]

When would Trayvon have time to make a call? GF said he was on the phone with her right up until GZ showed up.

I agree - the timeline is quite tight. The gf's dropped call ended at 7:15 - cops show up at 7:17. So, at the most we have 2 minutes. But, 2 minutes is quite a long time in the context of a scuffle and one shot and certainly long enough to push 9 - 1 - 1 and even get a few words out. Wonder if the shot is caught on that call? Oh my - the ramifications that this new 911 call brings up - if its true and this does exist. And yet, Trayvon still went unidentified all the way to the morgue.


JMHO

 

[Sensei]

But on the other hand what about TM? TM was not following GZ. GZ admits to following TM so wouldn't TM have the right to defend himself? Problem is like most of us TM did not have a weapon. If this were allowed to happen all the time no one would be able to leave their homes in fear of getting shot. What was GZ's motivation to follow TM? GZ said it himself, "they always get away" and GZ was making sure this one didn't, only he was mistaken because TM belonged there even if it were only temporary stay TM had a right to be where he was.

We can't argue with the fact that if GZ had stayed with his truck as he was told to do this never would have happened. jmo

I gotta agree with you, while there might be a number of reasons that you would follow someone, and be well within your rights to do so, My common sense tells me that when a burly stranger follows me first in a vehicle and then on foot, on a rainy night, he is not trying to catch up to me to give me the publisher's clearing house millions....it is aggressive and intimidating and legal or not, I do NOT have to wait for him, and be polite, or answer any of his questions unless he is LE...I have the right to run like hades, and if he tries to stop me to do my level best to punch his lights out...IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[jjenny]

I agree - the timeline is quite tight. The gf's dropped call ended at 7:15 - cops show up at 7:17. So, at the most we have 2 minutes. But, 2 minutes is quite a long time in the context of a scuffle and one shot and certainly long enough to push 9 - 1 - 1 and even get a few words out. Wonder if the shot is caught on that call? Oh my - the ramifications that this new 911 call brings up - if its true and this does exist. And yet, Trayvon still went unidentified all the way to the morgue.


JMHO

As far as I can tell no one else reporting it. Either this person got a big scoop no one else did, or they are wrong. Clearly if true would be very important to blow holes in Zimmerman's story but I don't know if its true.

 

[Yoda]

I can't get the video to work and I've yet to find an article online. Is this another ABC exclusive? Was that all that was said?

I'm puzzled over how Trayvon could have made a call to 911 if Zimmerman knocked his phone out of his hands.

It's at the end of the video. The coverage was on the protests in Chicago. The anchor says it. It didn't sound like a mix up of names. He said TM called 911 Zimmerman can be heard in the background and LE was trying to enhance it. But no source of the info.

 

[Boytwnmom]

and all black males should be suspect? That's why racial profiling is illegal. It's also stupid. Why would you repeatedly warn neighbors about one race of people because someone saw someone of that race commit a crime. You would be looking for that PERSON not that RACE. So, no crimes in that neighborhood were committed by white people? I highly doubt it. Another reason profiling doesn't work because it isn't accurate. Many studies have shown that behavioral predictors are much more accurate than racial characteristics. Not to mention it's illegal, immoral and bad for the community as it alienates an important part of it based on their immutable characteristic of race. I try to imagine that I was a member of that race being profiled. It would really suck. Especially if it ended up with me being shot because of it. But I guess for some in the majority race it seems not to bother them at all.

I'm not even sure what your other point is and I'm too tired to care. Everyone I know and respect and it seems the vast majority of Americans see this travesty for what it is. It's a racial issue, a bad law issue, a tainted law enforcement issue and a personal human tragedy and it has truly seemed to bring the human family together. I welcome that and am glad to be a part of it. However, people are welcome to stand apart and deny anything significant occurred. I'm just not going to spend much more time on those people.

BEM: Several of the homes in that neighborhood had been burglarized, one woman was IN her home while the guys were in her house, she was in the bedroom listening to them while on the line with 911. This is on the link with the police reports. There were several homes robbed and the eyewitnesses saw young black males. So WHY would he warn about young blonde guys?

...they dashed out to find a boy face down on the ground and a man standing over him, a foot on each side of the body on the ground, with his hands pinning the shooting victim down.

IIRC The 911 caller was looking out her window and saw a man with his hands in the air immediately after it happened. It's recorded.

 

[HiHater]

I agree - the timeline is quite tight. The gf's dropped call ended at 7:15 - cops show up at 7:17. So, at the most we have 2 minutes. But, 2 minutes is quite a long time in the context of a scuffle and one shot and certainly long enough to push 9 - 1 - 1 and even get a few words out. Wonder if the shot is caught on that call? Oh my - the ramifications that this new 911 call brings up - if its true and this does exist. And yet, Trayvon still went unidentified all the way to the morgue.


JMHO

I think there is a slight timeframe for a 911 call by Trayvon to be made, but I will not put much stock into that news until another station reports it.

Zimmerman called 911 at 7:09.

The last phone call with Martin's girlfriend started at 7:12. That's a 3 minute window for a call to have occurred.

 

[LambChop]

Of course it's political. He started off by saying it was a local issue. As it gained momentum as a story, he knew he could make some political hay out of it. He is mysteriously silent on the numerous murders of black kids in his home town of Chicago.

I think more people would be critical of him had he not said anything. I think he wants people to let the justice system work. I believe any of our presidents would have done the same thing. I could see Reagan doing it for sure just to keep peoples tempers under control. jmo

 

[HiHater]

But isn't that witness the one who is stating that she said Trayvon was screaming and LE told her that Zimmerman was?

Yes, I believe this was the woman who was a teacher for 31 years. The very emotional call (14 minutes long). She says police "corrected" her statement.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Wow! Now that is NEW news. Interesting. That reporter is out of Chicago - wonder where he got that piece of info from. Says Trayvon made his own 911 call and the GZ's voice can be heard in the background.

If this is true - could be even more proof that Trayvon did not attack GZ. After all if Trayvon was attacking GZ why in the world would he call 911? Plus, to hear what GZ was saying the background - hhhmmm....... and how far in the background - was Trayvon running away while calling 911?



JMHO

This is wild. I keep trying to figure out how he could make such a mistake but I don't think he is. It is to involved of a story. I really think it is true and makes sense.

 

[Sensei]

I think there is a slight timeframe for a 911 call by Trayvon to be made, but I will not put much stock into that news until another station reports it.

Zimmerman called 911 at 7:09.

The last phone call with Martin's girlfriend started at 7:12. That's a 3 minute window for a call to have occurred.

Although if it was an automatic 911 which has happened to me a couple of times, once when I dropped my phone, then Trayvon may not have even known that 911 had been dialed....and if he either dropped or GZ knocked his phone out of his hand....who knows, I hope it's so, but will have to wait and see.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Hey doc - I agree about GZ's full statement. He had to have been asked about the shooting. Where was he? Where was Trayvon? How did Trayvon fall? We know absolutely nothing about all of that. All we know is that Trayvon was found face down with his hands underneath him and that that we've read - whether true or not - there was one shot and it was to his chest.

still want to hear more about the gunshot wound. Could the chest have been the exit wound? IF he was shot in the back - that would have been obvious to all the responding authorities as his back was up. Did one of the first responders from SPD roll him over before EMTs got there and they found him on his back with the obvious gunshot wound to the chest? That is very important information to the investigation as a whole and that has not been released.

JMHO

 

[Boytwnmom]

only heard him asked about this which is perfectly natural since everyone is talking about it. Hardly an unusual event. I could say why doesn't he talk about X,Y or Z. He answers the questions he's asked-it's not like he some
blowhard with a talk radio show-he's the President, he's black and he's the first President that has been black so the question is hardly noteworthy as odd to most of us.

Of course it's political. He started off by saying it was a local issue. As it gained momentum as a story, he knew he could make some political hay out of it. He is mysteriously silent on the numerous murders of black kids in his home town of Chicago.

 

[Yoda]

Hey doc - I agree about GZ's full statement. He had to have been asked about the shooting. Where was he? Where was Trayvon? How did Trayvon fall? We know absolutely nothing about all of that. All we know is that Trayvon was found face down with his hands underneath him and that that we've read - whether true or not - there was one shot and it was to his chest.

still want to hear more about the gunshot wound. Could the chest have been the exit wound? IF he was shot in the back - that would have been obvious to all the responding authorities as his back was up. Did one of the first responders from SPD roll him over before EMTs got there and they found him on his back with the obvious gunshot wound to the chest? That is very important information to the investigation as a whole and that has not been released.

JMHO

I did just read that one of the LE rolled him over after checking for a pulse. I'll look for the link.

 

[rotterdam]

Do you believe Jeb was misinformed before he made his statement?

We now have our former Governor as well as both authors of the SYG law stating it doesn't apply to this case and was not the intent of the law. I'm really puzzled why some people keep using the SYG law as an excuse for Zimmerman's actions that night.

I read that law and have dubbed it the wild wild west law. Whomever is faster in drawing his gun prevails with no legal consequences. It is pretty bad and very ambiguous. Like everybody had a brain fart in the Fl legislation or thought the NRA money made it worth wile. And unnecessary. Self defense was already valid in court. Makes it more difficult for prosecutors to get a conviction for real criminals.
Even giving civil action immunity to folks claiming successful protection from prosecution under this law. And not even requiring any substance testing for both parties in a gun fight with a victim..

 

[Horace Finklestein]

But on the other hand what about TM? TM was not following GZ. GZ admits to following TM so wouldn't TM have the right to defend himself? Problem is like most of us TM did not have a weapon. If this were allowed to happen all the time no one would be able to leave their homes in fear of getting shot. What was GZ's motivation to follow TM? GZ said it himself, "they always get away" and GZ was making sure this one didn't, only he was mistaken because TM belonged there even if it were only temporary stay TM had a right to be where he was.

We can't argue with the fact that if GZ had stayed with his truck as he was told to do this never would have happened. jmo

Well I agree to an extent. I see it as a question of escalation - GZ was wrong to follow him, however, that does not mean that a situation could not have arisen where TM got the upper hand on GZ, and GZ feared for his life and retaliated. GZ did not know that TM only had those (endlessly talked-about skittles and iced tea) - he may have thought he was armed...Hopefully some info will come out soon to clear it up.