FL - 17-yo Teen Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #4

[flourish]

I can't believe there's a debate over the difference between a head and a face? :floorlaugh:

I wish they would hurry and release the written statement and recorded interview with Zimmerman the night of the shooting. Where are the Sunshine Laws? On the taped interview, we should be able to see his clothes and injuries too.

Almost embarrassed I'm involved in it. Almost.

Although, jedi wear robes with hoods, don't they? Huh.

:angel:

 

[Talina]

I think it's fair to infer that is the reason. Most kids put the hoodies up to partially hide their identity. They don't wear hoodies to keep their ears warm while robbing convenience stores - it serves a purpose.

He was being watched by someone, he felt uncomfortable, it's reasonabel to infer from the facts that he put the hoodie up to conceal his identity which would logically be hiding one's facial features.

Why does that make you so mad? It just seems like a reasonable inference to me.

The problem I have with it is that is being posted as it is a known fact that this is what Trayvon did, not that it is opinion or inference.

Moreover, once that is posted as a fact, then the leap is made that he did this to hide his face from being connected to his suspicious behavior. It is used to bolster the argument that he was acting suspiciously.

I maintain that his hoodie could have just as likely been put up to protect his head and phone headset from the rain. This could also be the reason he ducked under the awning. No one knows. We weren't there. So to just assume that his hoodie was put up on his head for nefarious reasons to hide his face is an unfair leap.

IMO

 

[LambChop]

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017

In his own words, according to his girlfriend. Because this man (Zimmerman) was watching him, not because it was raining, not to keep his phone or earbuds dry, but because he was being watched. Sounds llike a suspicious action to me.

Isn't "hoodie" a gang term? I always put my hood up when it rains. jmo

 

[princesspjs]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html

Right. The article stated that "some media" have twisted what the 13 yo said in order to fit a self defense theory. This same 13 yo boy is the one who reported that GZ was wearing a white shirt and NOT a red jacket/sweater. That is why some of us questioned when GZ would have had time to put on a jacket/sweater and where was it when he was on the ground with Trayvon.

It just makes it even more convoluted when the media spins things.

No, 13 year old boy is not the one who reported GZ was wearing a white t-shirt. <modsnip>

Really? Did you read the whole article or only the paragraph that was cut/pasted to the post? The next paragraph in the article reads:

Brown said in hindsight she feels the police investigator on the case attempted to lead her son to provide information that he didn't have. The investigator, she said, would nod yes when asking if it was the man in the T-shirt, who turned out to be Zimmerman, and not the one in the hooded sweatshirt, Martin, who was screaming out for help.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html

Absolutely nothing I said contradicts what is in that paragraph. 13 year old doesn't know who was screaming. He only saw one man on the ground.

I was referring to the fact that this article references a "man in a t-shirt" (GZ) and someone in a hooded sweatshirt (TM) as described by the 13 year old walking a dog.

I saw an article that claim 13 year old saw a man in red (Zimmerman) on the ground. But on 911 call nothing is said about what the man he saw was wearing.

Perhaps you saw one of the articles that this witness' mother says twisted her son's statements in order to fit a self defense theory.

They turned him at some point, IIRC.... where did you read he was shot through the chest? I've never seen anything official on his wounds. TIA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/trayvon-martin-final-moments_n_1366697.html

At 7:17 p.m., according to a police report, the first officers arrived on the scene -- a patch of grass between a row of townhomes at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the gated community in the Orlando suburb of Sanford, where Trayvon, 17, was visiting his father -- to find the teen dead from a single gunshot wound to the chest.

 

[annalia]

I can't believe there's a debate over the difference between a head and a face? :floorlaugh:

I wish they would hurry and release the written statement and recorded interview with Zimmerman the night of the shooting. Where are the Sunshine Laws? On the taped interview, we should be able to see his clothes and injuries too.

It's in the inference. Changing it from, he put his hoodie up ( which is what his girlfriend said ) to, he was trying to hide his face, infers that he was acting suspiciously.

JMHO

 

[LambChop]

But on 911 call, loud screams are heard (for a period of time) right up until the loud shot.

Then it would be helpful to see the balistics report because if the screaming was in one location and the body was 3 houses down there really is a problem because only one person had the gun. jmo

 

[belle3]

Soooo.....according to stand your ground you can meet force with force in order to prevent serious bodily harm or death. At what point in the altercation did tm display a deadly weapon then making it necessary for gz to remove the gun from his holster and shoot. I'm having a hard time believing it was necessary for gz to shoot this child. All imo

 

[jjenny]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html






I was referring to the fact that this article references a "man in a t-shirt" (GZ) and someone in a hooded sweatshirt (TM) as described by the 13 year old walking a dog.


Perhaps you saw one of the articles that this witness' mother says twisted her son's statements in order to fit a self defense theory.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/trayvon-martin-final-moments_n_1366697.html

And even in those articles, the 13 year old doesn't claim it was Trayvon he saw on the ground. He doesn't know who was screaming.

 

[flourish]

The problem I have with it is that is being posted as it is a known fact that this is what Trayvon did, not that it is opinion or inference.

Moreover, once that is posted as a fact, then the leap is made that he did this to hide his face from being connected to his suspicious behavior. It is used to bolster the argument that he was acting suspiciously.

I maintain that his hoodie could have just as likely been put up to protect his head and phone headset from the rain. This could also be the reason he ducked under the awning. No one knows. We weren't there. So to just assume that his hoodie was put up on his head for nefarious reasons to hide his face is an unfair leap.

IMO

ITA

And who says pulling the hoodie up couldn't have been about more than one thing: keeps the earbuds dry, keeps the rain off the head, and maybe gives a kid a bit of a feeling of security. For pete's sake. Sometimes it just feels cozier to have the hood on. Hence those tacky hoodie/footie jammies sold on tv.

jmho

 

[IzzyBlanche]

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017

In his own words, according to his girlfriend. Because this man (Zimmerman) was watching him, not because it was raining, not to keep his phone or earbuds dry, but because he was being watched. Sounds llike a suspicious action to me.

Still doesn't say he put it up to hide his face.

 

[jjenny]

Then it would be helpful to see the balistics report because if the screaming was in one location and the body was 3 houses down there really is a problem because only one person had the gun. jmo

Has it been said by anyone else that the body was 3 houses down from location of the fight? They should map all the 911 callers in relation to the body's location. No one on any of 911 calls that we heard said anything about men running.

 

[rossva]

IIRC your link was for iphones...

why would I lie about what my phone does and does not do?

good grief

I've had both cheap and expensive phones. None of them have recorded incoming calls in the phone call log if the phone was not turned on.

I have posted a link upthread that shows this not to be possible.

People have posted that they've tested it on their own phones and it is not done.

A phone does not ring if it is not turned on. If a phone does not ring, how can it possibly record an incoming missed call? It can't as far as I know. If it can, that gives smartphone a whole new meaning.

IMO

 

[ynotdivein]

I can't believe there's a debate over the difference between a head and a face? :floorlaugh:

I wish they would hurry and release the written statement and recorded interview with Zimmerman the night of the shooting. Where are the Sunshine Laws? On the taped interview, we should be able to see his clothes and injuries too.

I wish they would release Trayvon's autopsy report.

 

[flourish]

Isn't "hoodie" a gang term? I always put my hood up when it rains. jmo

LOL, if so, I've got over a hundred preschool gangsters at work.

 

[Yoda]

It's in the inference. Changing it from, he put his hoodie up ( which is what his girlfriend said ) to he was trying to hide his face infers that he was acting suspiciously.

JMHO

Someone was following him SO he put his hood up.... to look suspicious? I don't think so. moo To feel more secure.

 

[rossva]

and no one ever breaks into clubhouses?

It was the clubhouse.

 

[mikeysmommom]

RBBM. Mikeysmommom, can you please link to the calls that give this information?

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/teen-shooting-911-calls-1-3/vGZnj/

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/teen-shooting-911-calls-4-to-6/vGZrB/

Sorry it took me a few minutes to find them.

 

[Boytwnmom]

in a college town where everyone including me wears college hoodies. I often put hood up, in rain, cold or because my hair looks like crap. Funny, no one ever has any problem recognizing me. Maybe because the hoodie covers the BACK of your head and not your face. I think it might even have been designed that way, you know, so people could wear it and still see where they're going. Course, I could be wrong....

Almost embarrassed I'm involved in it. Almost.

Although, jedi wear robes with hoods, don't they? Huh.

:angel:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ils-20120320_1_shooting-death-gated-attorneys


The 16-year-old girl, who was not identified, said in a phone call recorded by ABC News this morning that as Trayvon was walking he told her "some man was watching him" so he pulled his hoodie over his head.

I take it the quotes mean Martin's words were "some man was watching him" and then someone else added ,,,,,,,,,,,, so he pulled his hoodie over his head.

But that doesn't make sense. Martin would not say that.

 

[Rougelatete]

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/traynor-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017

In his own words, according to his girlfriend. Because this man (Zimmerman) was watching him, not because it was raining, not to keep his phone or earbuds dry, but because he was being watched. Sounds llike a suspicious action to me.

GZ had no right to be stalking TM, watching him, following him, chasing him -- he was a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain with no legitimate affiliation with a founded neighborhood watch group. TM, on the other hand, had every right to conceal his identity and hurry home when he felt he was being stalked/watched/followed/chased by some unknown person with unknown motives.

To me, this smacks of "she deserved it because she was wearing a short skirt."