FL - Abraham Shakespeare, 42, lottery winner, Polk County, 7 April 2009 #6

[Susan1]

who is sg and what is your theory, please???/

SG - See article snippet below:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...-skids/1074496

The link gets into the young love article I believe is being referred to.

Snip:

Young love brought Moore and Stitzel together.

The romance wasn't theirs. They have teenage sons who at different times dated the same Plant City girl. Shannon Gunn, the girl's mother, got to know and like both of the boys' parents as a result of those relationships.

In December 2008, Moore asked Gunn if she knew a good lawyer. Gunn suggested Stitzel.

"I don't know if he's good," she recalled saying, "but I know he needs some clients."

Is that the one you are referring to?

 

[guitarman_fl]

guitarman_fl, if you don't mind me asking are you the person that was supposedly suppose to come down around thanksgivng or somewhere around that time last year to visit PP.?

nope, musta been Another man.......and i do not mind.......you asking. so if you do not mind, what relationship to that person did you have....you seem to know her very well, like habits of getting what she wants from dd.for free free free

 

[Finally_]

May I also, add, from what I also understand about DDM, in prior years, she had assets, in which due to owing the IRS, were seized from her. From that point on, DDM was very observant as to ways about putting things into other peoples names/etc. There was even a night at the Hard Rock Casino(here in Tampa), where I was told DDM won around $3,000.00, she made someone else go up and cash in. And IMO, that's where DebM got pushed into taking over the AMP, LLC back in December 2009. The heat was on, and "just incase" she put that company in DebM's name, in hopes that either way things went down, that company would be protected/possibly given back to her if no charges ever came about. JMO!

 

[Susan1]

May I also, add, from what I also understand about DDM, in prior years, she had assets, in which due to owing the IRS, were seized from her. From that point on, DDM was very observant as to ways about putting things into other peoples names/etc. There was even a night at the Hard Rock Casino(here in Tampa), where I was told DDM won around $3,000.00, she made someone else go up and cash in. And IMO, that's where DebM got pushed into taking over the AMP, LLC back in December 2009. The heat was on, and "just incase" she put that company in DebM's name, in hopes that either way things went down, that company would be protected/possibly given back to her if no charges ever came about. JMO!

I went to that Casino once recently. I was going to put a quarter in the machine only to learn you had to have some prepaid card. I didn't get into the details of how to get the card, though. I had thought that when you get the card you would have to show ID so that if you won they could tax the profits. I am assuming from what you have said above that you don't need ID to get the card, only to cash in winnings? Is that the way it works? I was disappointed that things had changed so much I couldn't just put a quarter in and watch the money come out.

 

[Finally_]

nope, musta been Another man.......and i do not mind.......you asking. so if you do not mind, what relationship to that person did you have....you seem to know her very well, like habits of getting what she wants from dd.for free free free

I don't know her very well, I just watched her very well. Right down to the misrepresentation of her telling me DDM was a licensed Psychologist. And found her "set up" in the company, very interesting! Presented herself as a person of power in the company, due to the involvement of DDM and her son, and on and on and on. I don't know if it all was for free free free, I made a post earlier of her position in the company. And just from what I watched and learned and have heard, IMO, this person knows and has known alot more than she claims!

 

[Finally_]

I went to that Casino once recently. I was going to put a quarter in the machine only to learn you had to have some prepaid card. I didn't get into the details of how to get the card, though. I had thought that when you get the card you would have to show ID so that if you won they could tax the profits. I am assuming from what you have said above that you don't need ID to get the card, only to cash in winnings? Is that the way it works? I was disappointed that things had changed so much I couldn't just put a quarter in and watch the money come out.

I'm not sure how it works, I'm not a gambler. I do know that you can still put cash into some of the machines though, and a slip will come out of the machine when you are ready to cash out. What I know about the DDM cash in on that money, I was told, you know hear-say, don't know if it was true or not. But I do know that DDM and AS were suppose to be heading up to the Hard Rock, to meet up with JH, the night of April 6, 2009, but never showed, but, I'm sure we all read that in the CRA.

 

[ACandyRose]

May I also, add, from what I also understand about DDM, in prior years, she had assets, in which due to owing the IRS, were seized from her. From that point on, DDM was very observant as to ways about putting things into other peoples names/etc. There was even a night at the Hard Rock Casino(here in Tampa), where I was told DDM won around $3,000.00, she made someone else go up and cash in. And IMO, that's where DebM got pushed into taking over the AMP, LLC back in December 2009. The heat was on, and "just incase" she put that company in DebM's name, in hopes that either way things went down, that company would be protected/possibly given back to her if no charges ever came about. JMO!

So as far as you know, DebM didn't actually give Dee Dee money to buy out and take over the "American Medical Professionals LLC" company? Did Dee Dee just transfer it into DebM's name and say something like, "Here, it's in your name so you can continue to run it?" Did DebM also have control of the bank account for that company for the accounts receivable/payables?

The 02/08/2010 search warrant for Redhawk Bend states, "The owner of the residence is American Medical Professionals, which is a company formally owned and ran by Dorice (DeeDee Moore). The company remains under the control of Dorice Moore, but is now in the name of Debra Munguia."

By the way, I hope you and Guitarman don't ever leave because I thoroughly enjoy reading your informative posts.

ACR

 

[guitarman_fl]

Well, you and I both went back and forth about this person. In one of your posts you even stated that this person went into detail about the rug missing, etc.

well i thought so, thanks........anyone should know money does not falll from the sky and nothing is free!!

 

[guitarman_fl]

I don't know her very well, I just watched her very well. Right down to the misrepresentation of her telling me DDM was a licensed Psychologist. And found her "set up" in the company, very interesting! Presented herself as a person of power in the company, due to the involvement of DDM and her son, and on and on and on. I don't know if it all was for free free free, I made a post earlier of her position in the company. And just from what I watched and learned and have heard, IMO, this person knows and has known alot more than she claims!

WOW , i am betting it was not for free.........she is pretty smart , but lacks common sense....a true wanna be!

 

[Finally_]

So as far as you know, DebM didn't actually give Dee Dee money to buy out and take over the "American Medical Professionals LLC" company? Did Dee Dee just transfer it into DebM's name and say something like, "Here, it's in your name so you can continue to run it?" Did DebM also have control of the bank account for that company for the accounts receivable/payables?

The 02/08/2010 search warrant for Redhawk Bend states, "The owner of the residence is American Medical Professionals, which is a company formally owned and ran by Dorice (DeeDee Moore). The company remains under the control of Dorice Moore, but is now in the name of Debra Munguia."

By the way, I hope you and Guitarman don't ever leave because I thoroughly enjoy reading your informative posts. ACR

OK. this is a very interesting topic. First of all on this link below
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cornamelis.exe
I am told conflicting stories on all of this. I am told that these are two seperate companies. DebM took over AMP, LLC. in December 2009. DDM took back AMP, PEO back in January 2010. I was told that the "LLC" company had nothing to do with the ownership of the Redhawk home a or any dealings with AS money. I was told it was all done under the PEO of AMP. But from the CRA, it seems that they refer to both companies, even in some of the CRA the whole reference is to American Medical Professionals PEO,LLC.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of this from the day I received the call that the AMP,LLC was in DebM's name.
Interesting enough, as I explained to DebM...where's the money going? I kept trying to get DebM to realize if the accounts weren't payable to her or the LLC, then DebM now owned a company with NO MONEY! Sure enough, all this time the billing/payments going all the way back from the change of ownership until present, are GOING INTO DDM's business account. Not sure how or why this went down like this, it is being straightened out I guess, but even that transfer of a company name and NOT the MONEY...was pretty sneaky of DDM. JMO!

 

[Finally_]

WOW , i am betting it was not for free.........she is pretty smart , but lacks common sense....a true wanna be!

The reason I state that it may not have all been for "Free, free, free", is for one, PP did work for DDM, but it was only like 4 hours on a few days a week, interviews/paperwork for nursing personel. IMO, hardly enough work to have been receiving all the benefits she was getting though! And hardly enough to playing that "jump" game. Another reason I stated it may not have all been for "Free, free, free", is because (not sure if you're aware of this) but at some point in time PP was a DON for a facility or facilities, and used DDM's nursing agency to fill shifts(hince making alot of money for DDM), therefore, maybe PP felt like DDM owed her from the past? I'm not sure just find it all interesting!
Just as I found it intersting as to PP knowing things about this case before LE did! And from what I was told LE found that interesting to know as well!

 

[ACandyRose]

OK. this is a very interesting topic. First of all on this link below
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cornamelis.exe
I am told conflicting stories on all of this. I am told that these are two seperate companies. DebM took over AMP, LLC. in December 2009. DDM took back AMP, PEO back in January 2010. I was told that the "LLC" company had nothing to do with the ownership of the Redhawk home a or any dealings with AS money. I was told it was all done under the PEO of AMP. But from the CRA, it seems that they refer to both companies, even in some of the CRA the whole reference is to American Medical Professionals PEO,LLC.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of this from the day I received the call that the AMP,LLC was in DebM's name.
Interesting enough, as I explained to DebM...where's the money going? I kept trying to get DebM to realize if the accounts weren't payable to her or the LLC, then DebM now owned a company with NO MONEY! Sure enough, all this time the billing/payments going all the way back from the change of ownership until present, are GOING INTO DDM's business account. Not sure how or why this went down like this, it is being straightened out I guess, but even that transfer of a company name and NOT the MONEY...was pretty sneaky of DDM. JMO!

Yes, there are two completely different companies with similar names:

1 - American Medical Professionals LLC (originally form in 2004 and transfered to DebM in 12/14/2009)

2 - American Medical Professionals PEO Inc (originally owned by Shar Anthony and D. Moore, formed 11/21/2007. This is the one the 9340 Redhawk Bend is listed as owning. On 01/27/2010 Dee Dee Moore had the "Shar Anthony" name removed as President of the company.

In my opinion, she named these two companies with similar names for the same reason she created that "Abraham Shakespeare LLC" because that name was similiar to "Shakespeare and Associates LLC" (plus it was Abraham Shakespeare's name) and from reading the probable cause affidavit, by her having a check made out to one name (or in Abraham Shakespeare's name), she can conveniently get away with depositing that check into the "LLC" account, which only she had control of.

Same with the American Medical Professionls, all she has to do is have the accounts payable accounts leave off the "LLC" or the "PEO" on the checks and she probably could get away with having any check deposited into either account.

So yeah, *IF* DebM is not in control of any of the receivable or payables relating to the AMP LLC, then all she is/was is the working manager of that company which would make Dee Dee controlling the cash flow and distribution of funds. On the other hand, *IF* DebM did buy the AMP LLC outright, lock stock and barrel, then I would think she would also be responsible for any outstanding receivables and payables, which means she would have had to come up with a big chunk of change to buy Dee Dee out on that one company.

ACR

 

[Finally_]

My theory then confirmed again in regards to DDM, finding vulnerable/desperate people and using them to her advantage.

 

[guitarman_fl]

The reason I state that it may not have all been for "Free, free, free", is for one, PP did work for DDM, but it was only like 4 hours on a few days a week, interviews/paperwork for nursing personel. IMO, hardly enough work to have been receiving all the benefits she was getting though! And hardly enough to playing that "jump" game. Another reason I stated it may not have all been for "Free, free, free", is because (not sure if you're aware of this) but at some point in time PP was a DON for a facility or facilities, and used DDM's nursing agency to fill shifts(hince making alot of money for DDM), therefore, maybe PP felt like DDM owed her from the past? I'm not sure just find it all interesting!
Just as I found it intersting as to PP knowing things about this case before LE did! And from what I was told LE found that interesting to know as well!

how do you figure that she knew before le.....did , she told me that a rug was missing from a room, as i was asking or rather telling her that
i do not think dee dee acted alone, oh she said de de is very strong, but a person you and i know that this is most impossible for a common woman to pick up and move, drag ect,the victim AS. then she told me that there was a rug missing from a room, if you call that detail,,,,,,,she said well maybe she wrapped him in the rug and dragged him...i told her that would be more weight. then she told me maybe she put him in the digging machine and dumped him...a horrible thought........how could anyone say that......?
now this was told to me ,i'd say three weeks ago , 3.5 at the very most. and that is an accurate time frame......because she was telling me she was taking her caddy back, because it came from blood money, but any fool would know that is did come from blood money at the time she left IN IT,
buT PRAISE THE lORD SHE TOOK IT BACK!

 

[Finally_]

ACR, correct me if I am wrong. So in other words, DDM goes into the computer or whereever, lists DebM as owner, but yet, DDM still has the right to the accounts payable/receivable?

 

[guitarman_fl]

OK. this is a very interesting topic. First of all on this link below
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cornamelis.exe
I am told conflicting stories on all of this. I am told that these are two seperate companies. DebM took over AMP, LLC. in December 2009. DDM took back AMP, PEO back in January 2010. I was told that the "LLC" company had nothing to do with the ownership of the Redhawk home a or any dealings with AS money. I was told it was all done under the PEO of AMP. But from the CRA, it seems that they refer to both companies, even in some of the CRA the whole reference is to American Medical Professionals PEO,LLC.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of this from the day I received the call that the AMP,LLC was in DebM's name.
Interesting enough, as I explained to DebM...where's the money going? I kept trying to get DebM to realize if the accounts weren't payable to her or the LLC, then DebM now owned a company with NO MONEY! Sure enough, all this time the billing/payments going all the way back from the change of ownership until present, are GOING INTO DDM's business account. Not sure how or why this went down like this, it is being straightened out I guess, but even that transfer of a company name and NOT the MONEY...was pretty sneaky of DDM. JMO!

FUNNY you should mention this. pp told me she was helping debm, run the company from up her in nwfl, i asked her how much are you making, she said no one is getting paid, that deb had no busness acct. and it first went to payroll, they pay the hired help and i said , there is something wrong with that picture.

 

[ACandyRose]

ACR, correct me if I am wrong. So in other words, DDM goes into the computer or whereever, lists DebM as owner, but yet, DDM still has the right to the accounts payable/receivable?

I don't know that as a fact that Dee Dee has control of the accounts payable and receivables of the AMP LLC. That's why I was wondering if DebM bought the company from her. Other than Dee Dee changing the corporate records to DebM's name, I don't know what other contract agreement they both may have signed for DebM to now be considered the owner of the company.

ACR

 

[Finally_]

how do you figure that she knew before le.....did , she told me that a rug was missing from a room, as i was asking or rather telling her that
i do not think dee dee acted alone, oh she said de de is very strong, but a person you and i know that this is most impossible for a common woman to pick up and move, drag ect,the victim AS. then she told me that there was a rug missing from a room, if you call that detail,,,,,,,she said well maybe she wrapped him in the rug and dragged him...i told her that would be more weight. then she told me maybe she put him in the digging machine and dumped him...a horrible thought........how could anyone say that......?
now this was told to me ,i'd say three weeks ago , 3.5 at the very most. and that is an accurate time frame......because she was telling me she was taking her caddy back, because it came from blood money, but any fool would know that is did come from blood money at the time she left IN IT,
buT PRAISE THE lORD SHE TOOK IT BACK!

I don't know how to get into detail without disclosing information that may not or should not be disclosing. The only way to put it is, we know that two people were room mates from January 11 until the homes being crime scene taped January 25. The evening of January 25, DDM had those two leave the house/locations. When those two room mates were on their way back to the home/locations...one room mate turned to the other and stated the whole entire factor of what was going on at those homes, before the room mates even arrived at those homes. Does this make sense to you? How would one know that there was a crime scene going down and also know exactly what DDM had planned on that night, at those locations on that exact night....BEFORE even returning back there?

 

[guitarman_fl]

I don't know how to get into detail without disclosing information that may not or should not be disclosing. The only way to put it is, we know that two people were room mates from January 11 until the homes being crime scene taped January 25. The evening of January 25, DDM had those two leave the house/locations. When those two room mates were on their way back to the home/locations...one room mate turned to the other and stated the whole entire factor of what was going on at those homes, before the room mates even arrived at those homes. Does this make sense to you? How would one know that there was a crime scene going down and also know exactly what DDM had planned on that night, at those locations on that exact night....BEFORE even returning back there?

well it makes perfect sense, they must already have known...i mean what other conclusion could you come to? that is fine info if it is true ! and i trust you ha've a good source of info......one would have to know this before they dare say something like this.
pp said le kept her computer, and when she took the caddy back, she got her purse back, or that:s what she said......and if dee dee had them leave the location, why would you leave your pocketbook? that puzzles me.
think about it.

 

[Finally_]

well it makes perfect sense, they must already have known...i mean what other conclusion could you come to? that is fine info if it is true ! and i trust you ha've a good source of info......one would have to know this before they dare say something like this.
pp said le kept her computer, and when she took the caddy back, she got her purse back, or that:s what she said......and if dee dee had them leave the location, why would you leave your pocketbook? that puzzles me.
think about it.

Puzzles me too. You would surely need your purse to drive, unless you just carry your DL on you. But I do know this, when they did return to the home late January25/early 26th, neither of them were allowed to enter the homes, PP raised cain about her cat, so they did go in with her to get the cat, other than that, they were only allowed to go in with a deputy for a toothbrush. And I'm not sure of the exact date they were allowed to return back to the locations, I want to say like Feb 10th?

And yes, LE took all computers, even DebM's. DebM's will be returned soon, when it is I have asked and encouraged her to register on the site here.