FL-AMBER ALERT Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs. old - Putnam County #18

[Kat]

I wondered if Haleigh might have caught them....and they knew she would talk.

tehcloser if we consider this scenario then Haleigh could have recognized the man. The man thought there was a possiblity, probably assumed that Haleigh would tell her Daddy. Her Daddy might react by using a gun.

I try to tell this to my Husband all the time. He has a few soldiers that do some stupid things in their personal life (not all soldiers). Such as infidelity.

I come from this atmosphere, not from FL but simular. From where I come from, sleeping with someone's significant other can get you shot. Just sayin.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Oops hit post too soon. Now if she's meeting a lover, that man isn't going to say, because Daddy has a gun and he might use it, not because this man is messing with his woman but because while he was messing with his woman his child went missing. Displaced anger can get somebody killed.

Agreed, kat. I have been leaning toward this theory myself.

Do we know if Dad and Misty are still in the tent?

 

[Patience]

I posted something about Guy Sapp yesterday.

He is/was a Flagler County Property Appraiser. He's 78 years old.

Lindsy's maiden name is Collins.

Tommy and Lindsy's home is not behind the Cumming's home. It is behind and across 2 streets - around the corner. Putnam County property records show exact locations (again, I posted a link yesterday).

We need threads to keep this stuff organized. I, for one, am very frustrated. It's impossible to read every post. Grrr...

I remember you posting about Guy Sapp. Is he related to Florida Sex Offender Donald Sapp? Whose address is in
Satsuma, FL 32189-2953
Putnam COUNTY

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

Mods, please may we have a forum for Haleigh?

 

[Gracenote]

Hornsw~ I chalked it up to Ronnie screaming in the background and not being able to hear the 911 operator.

As did I. He is stomping around, throwing things (possibly) threatening to kill someone and she might be his next target. Hence she has her eyes on him and can't focus on the 911 operator.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Here's a Youtube where she talks about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

I don't know what to think.....I mean why mention dirty blankets at all? Thats kinda strange. But she does have real tears rolling down her cheeks which is a good sign. Then again, didn't KC also say "if I knew where that little girl was right now do you think I'd be sitting here?" or something like that? So who knows, I NEED MORE INFO!!! jmho

 

[Indigo]

When MC says "I covered her with a little sheet", her voice breaks. Why? What is she recalling exactly? What is she seeing in her mind's eye. Did something awful happen to Haleigh and the child's bladder emptied onto the blanket, and MC had to cover her little body with a sheet and then wash the blanket? Haleigh's scent should be on the blanket if she were in fact covered with it after it was washed. Scent should also be on the "little sheet". This is just getting more and more suspicious.

I'm very concerned about the break in her voice at that point, too, hornswoggled.

 

[LCoastMom]

I wondered if Haleigh might have caught them....and they knew she would talk.

IDK She seems to have a healthy respect for her man and his temper. Possibly his gun too.

She's hardly more than a child herself. Does he seem like someone a child would sneak around on? Intimidation works wonders on young'uns.

If Haleigh caught her with someone or doing something, since the bio-mom says the kids like her; wouldn't it have just been easier to remind Haleigh of how we don't want to make daddy mad?

 

[catch_22]

I have a thought and I'm just going to put it here as I ramble.

As I said before I don't think Misty was in that house all night, I don't have anything to support it though.

She gives detail about the blankets, then she goes into detail about when she found Haleigh missing. But there is a void there in details about what happened in between. Yes I know she says she was sleeping but the skip in info bothers me.

Initially I thought, well she must have gone out to see some friends. I'm not so sure, and here's the reason why...her friends would have said something by now. Even if she and her friends were doing something like drinking and smoking weed and such, I really believe that they would've stepped up to the plate and told LE. Because I think she stayed in the neighborhood.

I'm starting to lean to the fact that maybe she had a lover. She is meeting this man while Daddy is at work. He comes to her after the kids have gone to bed. She sneaks out to be with him.

if she had another lover i would think they would just stay at ron's trailer. couldn't be more convenient than that. unless they wanted to go to a bar/restaurant or be with other friends or a certain party or get-together. unless they were worried about children seeing him and telling dad.

when i first heard that her brother lived right behind them, i pictured her partying over there and maybe someone at the party decided to "leave" and snatched the girl knowing she was home alone. i even wondered about the brother being a suspect. he would definitely be familiar with the trailer and the dad's working hours. but then i found out that misty's brother is married with several little kids of his own and am not sure that they'd be partying over there on a monday night. also, i'm sure he was one of the first people that ron and misty and the police talked to.

friends or family are the ones who would know if ron or misty are acting strangely or could know more information about that night, but they are also the ones who might try to cover up for them..... most people wouldn't try to cover up for someone when an innocent child's life is a stake, though.

 

[Tonia]

Glad to know that the mother and father as well as the grandma settled their differences and decided to come together for this little girl.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Ceeker Said:

I totally agree! This man has a job and he cared enough to fight a custody battle when he sensed the mother wasn't able to take care of his children. Something a lot of men wouldn't bother to do. He's been careful not to trash the bio mom, which I find admirable considering their mudslinging in his direction. He's got a lot of rough edges, but I'm willing to not condemn someone just because they don't live or act like me.

He didn't start a custody battle with her, when she took him to court to prove paternity and get child support he turned the tables on her. Now why did she have to take him to court if he was such a fine upstanding father who supported his kids?

Before you go handing out any medals to dad please read the docs and the sworn statement from Crystal's dad. It is always possible that he took custody of the kids just so mom didn't have it and to get out of paying child support and to collect child support from mom.

It does happen. My ex who never paid a bit of attention to caring for our kids and who was verbally abusive, threatened me with the same thing. Only difference was I wasn't afraid of him. I stood up to him in court. I won and very shortly after, he quite his job to get out of paying child support and stopped seeing his kids all together.

I'm not saying that is what happened here, I'm just trying to keep an open mind to all possibilities.

yeah, ya think? She has been around adults who have records, (sorry for those who dont like this being brought up, but it is true, and public record) and everyone around her seems so dysfunctional. Who knows whats going on in that mind of hers. I hope she is completely innocent, but she isnt acting like it, I think the police know it, but there are so many "characters" in this whole family, there is a lot of muck to wade through. With the records some of the family has, there has to be alot to eliminate, and it takes time. I wouldnt be surprised if it were an uncle cousin, etc....but Id like clarification on Mistys storIES.

(bold mine) Careful I don't think we're allowed to explore dad's extensive criminal record, arrest records, drug use, history of violence, near drownings etc here, nor those of any other family member, apparently these are irrelevant, OT and belong in Jury Room lol. J/K, ITA! These are ALL extremely valid points and deserve very close scrutiny, which fortunately I am certain LE at least recognizes! Never have I seen a case where so many players' credibility issues, arrest records, past histories, custody battles and drug use come into play. JMO2!!!

arrot:

 

[cajun]

i think mom and gma might live together.

I wonder where babydaddy Chad lives?

 

[ClockWatcher]

Why did Ronald have to have paternity established?

That leads me to ask the question of why he is not named as Haleigh's father on her birth certificate?

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I have an idea

What if we went through the threads and put tags on each one as to what is discussed in it? That way we can go back and reference them. Even if we get a forum we're going to want to reference these threads. Look at how often in the CA case we say that something was discussed in the general discussion threads but we just don't know which one.

Is that a good idea? I could start to work on it...

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Oh lord.

The name of the owners of the home (315 2nd Ave, Satsuma) that Donald Sapp (SO) lives in (and moved into on 1/26/2009) is owned by

Griffis Jeffrey Michael + Billye

Same last name as bio-mom's boyfriend and mother.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Glad to know that the mother and father as well as the grandma settled their differences and decided to come together for this little girl.

I am too.

I'm hoping they do all come together for Jr's birthday today too.

:blowkiss:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

(bold mine) Careful I don't think we're allowed to explore dad's extensive criminal record, arrest records, drug use, history of violence, near drownings etc here, nor those of any other family member, apparently these are irrelevant, OT and belong in Jury Room lol. J/K, ITA! These are ALL extremely valid points and deserve very close scrutiny, which fortunately I am certain LE at least recognizes! Never have I seen a case where so many players' credibility issues, arrest records, past histories, custody battles and drug use come into play. JMO2!!!

arrot:

The case of the murdered girls in OK is worse than this one on those issues from both families. It is crazy. :crazy:

 

[SuziQ]

From following cases for a long time a few things I've noticed are:

Guilty people over explain and offer up answers before the question is asked.

Blankets and rugs have a tendency to disappear the same time a missing person does. This is usually because there is evidence of foul play on them or the body is wrapped in them.

Laundry is done to wash away evidence. It's not unusual for LE to show up to take a missing person report and find the washer or dryer on, or a load of wet laundry. Freshly mopped floors, etc. If someone was missing, the last thing on my mind would be doing laundry and cleaning house. Heck sometimes LE shows up and the walls are freshly painted.

 

[BeavisMom62]

That makes sense he was blocking the light, but let me get this straight in my head...

Haleigh's blanket had pee. She took the one off the window to use, but instead washed it, too? Or the blanket on the window smelled like pee? Oh, Gosh...I need more coffee and a softer keyboard. :waitasec:

I'm guessing, if her story is true, the blanket on the window had been there for some time and was maybe dusty. So, since one blanket is missing and one is peed on, she had to take the one off of the window, but had to wash it first to get the dust off. Hmm... but then if she was going to take the time to wash IT and the peed on blanket, wouldn't they get done at the same time? :waitasec: Oh, poo! I thought I had something there!

 

[CeeKer]

Why did Ronald have to have paternity established?

That leads me to ask the question of why he is not named as Haleigh's father on her birth certificate?

I don't remember why, I just remember it was done. Someone had an explanation for it a million threads ago, but of course I can't remember now! LOL

 

[daisy7]

He didn't start a custody battle with her, when she took him to court to prove paternity and get child support he turned the tables on her. Now why did she have to take him to court if he was such a fine upstanding father who supported his kids?

Snipped by me. I believe Dad was the one who started the custody and paternity stuff as he was the petitioner and bio Mom was the respondent?