GUILTY FL - Astronaut Lisa Nowak arrested in kidnap attempt, 5 Feb 2007

[JDB]

You know what is driving me Nutz? We all know she had e-mails from Billy-O to CS in her car. Plus all flight info.Could it be Billy-O gave her these to set her off? And maybe even asked her to go and talk to CS.He then would be scene as a victim also.

 

[Masterj]

No it's not confirmed and according to msnbc.com, Nowak was quoted by police as saying she and Oefelein had something "more than a working relationship but less than a romantic relationship".

Thank you. So my guess is that they were friends and maybe she confided in him about some personal problems and he lent a sympathetic ear. She might have misconstrued his feelings and started this obsession. I think it is really pathetic the way people are bashing this man when whether he slept with her or not, unless he forced her to carry out this insane scheme, this is not his fault.

 

[LinasK]

I heard a commentator speculate that perhaps she had developed a brain tumor or some or traumatic event to make her snap...


I also would like to know what Billy-O has to say about the situation.

 

[panthera]

You know what is driving me Nutz? We all know she had e-mails from Billy-O to CS in her car. Plus all flight info.Could it be Billy-O gave her these to set her off? And maybe even asked her to go and talk to CS.He then would be scene as a victim also.

According to the Charging Affidavit, the e-mails were from Colleen Shipman to Oefelein, so I'd question how Nowak got hold of them but it'd seem more likely she took them from Oefelein unless she hacked into Shipman's computer.

 

[SewingDeb]

Thank you. So my guess is that they were friends and maybe she confided in him about some personal problems and he lent a sympathetic ear. She might have misconstrued his feelings and started this obsession. I think it is really pathetic the way people are bashing this man when whether he slept with her or not, unless he forced her to carry out this insane scheme, this is not his fault.

I agree with you and think this is entirely possible and he may have no blame in this situation. I also think her divorce in 2005 may have triggered some mental problems if she had tendencies already. Divorce is tough to go through even when you are strong mentally.

 

[panthera]

Thank you. So my guess is that they were friends and maybe she confided in him about some personal problems and he lent a sympathetic ear. She might have misconstrued his feelings and started this obsession. I think it is really pathetic the way people are bashing this man when whether he slept with her or not, unless he forced her to carry out this insane scheme, this is not his fault.

I'm not finding anything to blame him for at this point either. The letters found in Nowak's car indicated how much she loved Oefelein, but there isn't anything we know that says what he thought of her. It looks like she was obsessed with him and wanted to keep anyone else away from him.

 

[Smurf]

You know what is driving me Nutz? We all know she had e-mails from Billy-O to CS in her car. Plus all flight info.Could it be Billy-O gave her these to set her off? And maybe even asked her to go and talk to CS.He then would be scene as a victim also.

I wouldn't think she would need a disguise if she really truly wanted to just talk to to CS; or pepper spray for that matter. If you only have talking on your mind and you are all for coming up with a solution to your little love triange; you just wouldn't need all that other gear she had.

 

[panthera]

I agree with you and think this is entirely possible and he may have no blame in this situation. I also think her divorce in 2005 may have triggered some mental problems if she had tendencies already. Divorce is tough to go through even when you are strong mentally.

It was Oefelein who was divorced in 2005. Lisa Nowak just separated from her husband a few weeks ago, but is still married.

 

[Smurf]

It was Oefelein who was divorced in 2005. Lisa Nowak just separated from her husband a few weeks ago, but is still married.

The fact that she just recently separated from her husband and Billy-O and her were on that survival thing in Canda in Jan. (is that right, Jan. of 07?) Like I said earlier; maybe they got a little too snuggly in the tent. For these outdoorsy overacheiver types; survival training in a freezing Canadadian wilderness was probably a very romantic setting.

 

[LinasK]

The fact that she just recently separated from her husband and Billy-O and her were on that survival thing in Canda in Jan. (is that right, Jan. of 07?) Like I said earlier; maybe they got a little too snuggly in the tent. For these outdoorsy overacheiver types; survival training in a freezing Canadadian wilderness was probably a very romantic setting.

She didn't get to fly together with him though, I could see it happening in up in a rocket/shuttle or space lab away from the whole world...

 

[SewingDeb]

It was Oefelein who was divorced in 2005. Lisa Nowak just separated from her husband a few weeks ago, but is still married.

Thanks for setting me straight, Panthera.

 

[JDB]

The fact that she just recently separated from her husband and Billy-O and her were on that survival thing in Canda in Jan. (is that right, Jan. of 07?) Like I said earlier; maybe they got a little too snuggly in the tent. For these outdoorsy overacheiver types; survival training in a freezing Canadadian wilderness was probably a very romantic setting.

The thing in Canada was in late 2004.

Pant: Or she was with Billy-O at his house and she found them . Or he showed them to her.

 

[Smurf]

The thing in Canada was in late 2004.

Pant: Or she was with Billy-O at his house and she found them . Or he showed them to her.

Ok, I can't keep all the dates staight. Maybe she admired his muscles back then at the Canada thing.

 

[panthera]

Thanks for setting me straight, Panthera.

You're welcome, Deb!

 

[panthera]

Ok, I can't keep all the dates staight. Maybe she admired his muscles back then at the Canada thing.

I get what you're saying anyway and obviously she had an obsession with him.

 

[panthera]

Pant: Or she was with Billy-O at his house and she found them . Or he showed them to her.

That's what I was thinking~ she found them at his house or in his possession, and then decided Shipman needed to be 'eliminated'.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Reading about all that stuff AstroGirl had with her, I figure she was going to use the mallet to kill the V, the knife to cut her up, the bags to stash her body in, and so forth.

But what is the rubber hose for?

Was she planning to drain the V's blood or something?

This is a serious question.

 

[panthera]

Reading about all that stuff AstroGirl had with her, I figure she was going to use the mallet to kill the V, the knife to cut her up, the bags to stash her body in, and so forth.

But what is the rubber hose for?

Was she planning to drain the V's blood or something?

This is a serious question.

I think it was Buzz who posted something along those lines yesterday and the rubber tubing would be like a tourniquet.

 

[Lacy Wood]

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-psych7feb07,1,3417418.story


Narcissistic Personality Disorder-
This article explains what could be the culprit.

Interesting link Smurf, but the psychiatrist quoted is way off. Narcissistic Personality Disorder "sufferers" (and it's those around them who suffer most), along with others with actual diagnosable personality disorders, are rarely likeable people and even less rarely interact well with others through adolescence and adult life. Lisa Nowak's friends and people who've known her through life describe her in terms that rule out personality disorders, which are sometimes the garbage cans where the bad shrinks toss their affective disorder patients who don't get well, to explain away their treatment failures.

In particular NPD's are arrogant and incapable of handling criticism. Many may explode in rage at constructive criticism, others just seeth, but acquaintances will never mistake them for "sweet, kind, and helpful" individuals. The most notable narcissistic personality disorder case I've seen was a psychiatrist.

If Lisa Nowak has a diagnosable mental problem it will almost certainly be a form of Bipolar Syndrome (or Disorder). Bipolar can emerge later in life after an extremely productive and happy youth and young adulthood. Earlier signs may be hypomania, which is often discribed as a "wonderful personality", and typically characterized by considerable energy. Powerful emotional forces in later life, or drugs, may trigger serious mania in latent Bipolars...these could be death or a spouse or child or breakup of a marriage or relationship etc. It is usually easily treated if properly diagnosed.

Symptoms of serious mania often include hyperactivity, reduced need for sleep, hypersexuality (especially in women), feelings of self confidence or infalliability, reckless conduct, and/or engaging in schemes with reckless disregard for consequences....and more, or maybe less, cases vary. But Bipolar is usually not held to be exculpatory in court.

 

[LinasK]

By Mike Schneider

Even before she was charged with attempted first-degree murder, attempted kidnapping and three other crimes, there were signs that not everything was right in her life

UNTIL a few months ago, Lisa Nowak’s life seemed to be on a perfect trajectory.

She became an astronaut after winning a series of Navy service awards. She had flown on the shuttle Discovery, and was a mother of three children. She said in a September interview with Ladies Home Journal that her husband, Richard, “works in Mission Control, so he’s part of the whole space business, too. And supportive also.”

But even before she was charged on Tuesday with attempted first-degree murder, attempted kidnapping and three other crimes - all stemming from what police called a love triangle involving a fellow astronaut - there were signs that not everything was right in her life.
In a NASA interview last year, before her mission aboard Discovery, she spoke about the strain her career placed on her family. She has twin 5-year-old girls and a son who is 14 or 15.

“It’s a sacrifice for our own personal time and our families and the people around us,” she said. “But I do think it’s worth it because if you don’t explore and take risks and go do all these things, then everything will stay the same.”

In November, a neighbour reported hearing the sounds of dishes being thrown inside Nowak’s Houston-area home, and the police came. And weeks ago, Nowak and her husband separated after 19 years.

Police officers charged Nowak with trying to murder Colleen Shipman based on weapons and other items found with Nowak or in her car: pepper spray, a BB-gun, a new steel mallet, knife and rubber tubing.

Police found a letter in Nowak’s car that “indicated how much Mrs. Nowak loved Mr. Oefelein,” an arrest affidavit said. And Nowak had copies of e-mails between Shipman and Oefelein.
Then, according to police, Nowak donned a wig and trench coat, boarded an airport shuttle bus with Shipman and followed her to her car. Crying, Nowak sprayed a chemical into the car. Shipman drove to a parking lot booth and sought help. A police affidavit made public on Tuesday said Nowak had “stealthily followed the victim while in disguise and possessed multiple deadly weapons.”

The affidavit said the circumstances of the case “create a well-founded fear” and gave investigators “probable cause to believe that Mrs. Nowak intended to murder Ms. Shipman.”
more at link:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C02%5C08%5Cstory_8-2-2007_pg4_14