GUILTY FL - Astronaut Lisa Nowak arrested in kidnap attempt, 5 Feb 2007

[concernedperson]

We wouldn't ever excuse a guy who was acting this way and having the same paraphenalia in his grip. Why should we excuse her? Astronaut or Cosmonaut, she intended harm. NASA may take her under protective wrap until trial but no one can say a RO would have worked in a normal situation.

She is crazy and a criminal...what's new?

 

[Buzz Mills]

It does not even look like the same women.


Buzz, although I appreciate your imagination... I was thinking the hose was for like beating her... The first thing that occured to me was how police use to beat people with rubber hoses because it left no marks.

What hose Amraann?? I didn't see rubber hose mentioned. They use the rubber tubing, to raise the veins, when I go in, about once a year, to have a blood test, and then after they successfully get the needle in, they release the rubber tubing, and fill up all of the containers; usually three, sometimes four.

Buck knives are very strong; in fact I think they are advertised as having the ability to cut through bone. The steel mallet could be used to pound in the back of the blade to drive it through the bone. The plastic bags; I am assuming black plastic bags, speak for themselves, as well as the latex/or nitrile gloves. She saw on CSI, and Forensic Files, that oxidized crazy glue will bring out fingerprints on plastic bags--thus the need for gloves.

http://www.buckknives.com/catalog/detail/224/238

 

[Floh]

In space no one can hear you scream.

 

[panthera]

In space no one can hear you scream.

What a scary thought, but you're right, what if ~

 

[Buzz Mills]

In space no one can hear you scream.

It depends on whether you have the two way radio in your space suit turned on, and then whether anyone is listening.

 

[Buzz Mills]

What about the hammer, knife, gloves and trash bags. What was she going to do with them?

How do you get from sailing, rubber stamping, gourmet cooking and a love of african violets to driving 900 miles in a diaper to supposedly scare a lady who is exchanging e-mails with the man you want but isn't your husband? How do you get there?

Men keep driving women crazy--usually the man is the one who gets attacked---LOL---just kidding, of course; sorry ladies, I just couldn't resist that one. ZIP MY LIPS.

 

[Buzz Mills]

This sounds like a movie in the making--at least a made-for-TV movie, but what about the book?.

 

[nanandjim]

Her NASA biography doesn't mention their ages.

That second article that you posted said that she has a teenage son and younger twin daughters. I guess that she planned to be back by the next day. After all, she had diapers to aid in a nonstop drive. My husband will want me to get some of these diapers as I have to stop every 10 minutes when we are on a trip. :blushing:

 

[panthera]

That second article that you posted said that she has a teenage son and younger twin daughters. I guess that she planned to be back by the next day. After all, she had diapers to aid in a nonstop drive. My husband will want me to get some of these diapers as I have to stop every 10 minutes when we are on a trip. :blushing:

I saw that too in the updated article. Too funny :laugh: about your husband!

 

[nanandjim]

She thought no one would ever suspect her, and she is already using her astronaut status to get her preferential treatment and consideration. Her attorney kept saying it was a mistake, I already don't like him.

I was part of the military aviation community for a substantial amount of time. You wouldn't believe the number of scandals and incidences that are always going on and being swept under the rug. I think that it comes with the territory.

These people are really driven. That type of personality sometimes goes awry. My ex-husband, who also was a Naval Academy grad with impeccable credentials, stalked me when I separated from him.

 

[panthera]

Men keep driving women crazy--usually the man is the one who gets attacked---LOL---just kidding, of course; sorry ladies, I just couldn't resist that one. ZIP MY LIPS.

I'm not defending her, so no problem about your comment!

 

[nanandjim]

Hope this link works...
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/6_1_1.asp?id=152

there was at least ten days during a training session where these two(William Oefelein and Lisa Nowak) were together, along with other astronauts, in a survival exercise.

The USAF link to this article seems to have been removed...this one is still up.

Don't know if it means anything...probably not...I'm just being a 'sleuther'.

This training was just recently, wasn't it? I bet that they were lovers. She just doesn't want to say so because of her marital status. I just do not believe that a woman would go to this extreme unless she were head over heels for the guy.

 

[Buzz Mills]

I was part of the military aviation community for a substantial amount of time. You wouldn't believe the number of scandals and incidences that are always going on and being swept under the rug. I think that it comes with the territory.

These people are really driven. That type of personality sometimes goes awry. My ex-husband, who also was a Naval Academy grad with impeccable credentials, stalked me when I separated from him.

naj, please post your pic; you keep driving men crazy...........................

 

[Buzz Mills]

I wonder what HE is saying????

 

[kahskye]

I'm sorry if this has been answered, but I don't have time to read through all of this. I'm just curious what she told her husband and children as to where she was going. Also, say she did something awful to the defendant, what next? Exactly where was she going w/ this plan? Was she willing to walk away from her marriage and children?

 

[Trino]

She, undoubtedly, will have a mental evaluation but whatever the results, I doubt she'll ever fly again. NASA won't take a chance on someone who might be mentally unstable. I'll bet right now someone is taking heat for not recognizing problems with her.

I doubt she'll be convicted for kidnapping and/or attempted murder, but I think she'll end up divorced. Her poor husband and children must be going through hell right now. Has anyone heard a comment from them? Has her husband come to her defense?

It sure makes you wonder if she did have an affair; her obsession seems pretty strong for someone to have simply befriended her.

 

[Lacy Wood]

How do they know she was going to kidnap the women rather then kill her right there in the airport parking lot? The attempted murder charge seems extreme as well since all she really did was knock on the car window.

I am not saying she is not a complete loon.. just that I don't think they have the legal evidence to convict her.

LE is notorious for overcharging with unprovable things that juries are forced to reject. If they have no confession that she started an attempt to kill or kidnap, or a written /computer confirmation of such a plan, or a witness, accomplice, or "co-conspirator", then those charges might well fail if they got to court. And there's no "conspiracy" if it's just one person. You go to a bank thinking you may rob it only to find it closed, you've committed no crime. There are limitations on being charged for what you're thinking about, or once thought about doing.

As I stated back on page 2, the best case may well be a federal case related to crossing state lines with weapons, in furtherance of a plan to commmit murder or kidnapping. That would allow the Feds to assert an intent to kill or kidnap based on items in the car and circumstances that isn't hampered by not getting the final execution of the scheme fully into play. States do not have such a charge available. Otherwise it may come down to just state charges of assault by spraying with pepper spray.

 

[WhiteWolf]

Are there still reapercusions in the military for having an affair? I remember some woman in the military (in the news) being busted for having an affair. I don't know if he would be in trouble since he isn't married. Reason I'm asking is it was mentioned by someone on the news.

 

[panthera]

She, undoubtedly, will have a mental evaluation but whatever the results, I doubt she'll ever fly again. NASA won't take a chance on someone who might be mentally unstable. I'll bet right now someone is taking heat for not recognizing problems with her.

I doubt she'll be convicted for kidnapping and/or attempted murder, but I think she'll end up divorced. Her poor husband and children must be going through hell right now. Has anyone heard a comment from them? Has her husband come to her defense?

It sure makes you wonder if she did have an affair; her obsession seems pretty strong for someone to have simply befriended her.

It seems that NASA has already suspended her from mission training according to the news on CNN. I haven't read or heard anything from her husband either.

 

[michelle]

This lady is obviously mentally disturbed. She had on diapers? She is married...the wig the bb gun the knife..yeah she is in big trouble now. :snooty: What a waste of a brain because she had it all.

LOL, Oh my gosh I was laughing at that, I am sorry, is that rude? :innocent: