GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #1

[Foxfire]

Pleads not guilty and is held with no bond.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...uval-County-Judge/J2TsBahoZkqIQc-zlsT4xQ.cspx

Noticed that the spelling of the victim's name is
Cherish Perrywinkle in this article..

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I just don't have the same sympathy for the mother like I do for other parents whose child is murdered. I view her the same way as someone who lets a boyfriend into their lives who ends up killing the child. She is no different than those women IMO. She approaches the media to defend herself just hours after Cherish is found dead. That is her priority at the moment. Not only that, but her story sounds BS so I think she's already lying to the media/public. She claims that she didn't let Cherish go with him, so the second she saw they were gone, she should have called 911. It would not have taken 40 minutes for LE to have arrived if Mom did call 911 as soon as she saw they were gone. I am even thinking it would be best if the other children went to live with their father as I do not think her parenting skills are adequate.

Don't most big-box stores have a Code Adam? I believe it's when a child is reported missing, they lock the store down. If Mom's story is true, it should have taken her just a few seconds to realize Cherish was gone. So if she has a cell phone, she calls 911, did she tell someone who works there what happened? I would love to know from people in the store at the time whether she was running up and down the aisles, screaming their names, etc.

 

[matou]

I see that the perp got the family to sit in his van waiting thus getting his victim familiar with his van. sigh.

About his "wife", did he make fake calls on a cell phone and pretend to speak to someone in the mother's presence?

 

[Amster]

I just don't have the same sympathy for the mother like I do for other parents whose child is murdered. I view her the same way as someone who lets a boyfriend into their lives who ends up killing the child. She is no different than those women IMO. She approaches the media to defend herself just hours after Cherish is found dead. That is her priority at the moment. Not only that, but her story sounds BS so I think she's already lying to the media/public. She claims that she didn't let Cherish go with him, so the second she saw they were gone, she should have called 911. It would not have taken 40 minutes for LE to have arrived if Mom did call 911 as soon as she saw they were gone. I am even thinking it would be best if the other children went to live with their father as I do not think her parenting skills are adequate.

Don't most big-box stores have a Code Adam? I believe it's when a child is reported missing, they lock the store down. If Mom's story is true, it should have taken her just a few seconds to realize Cherish was gone. So if she has a cell phone, she calls 911, did she tell someone who works there what happened? I would love to know from people in the store at the time whether she was running up and down the aisles, screaming their names, etc.

Her live in bf is the baby daddy to her other 2 kids.....it's not like she is homeless, roaming the street looking for food and clothing.....

 

[manzana]

Her live in bf is the baby daddy to her other 2 kids.....it's not like she is homeless, roaming the street looking for food and clothing.....

Clearly her BF is not involved, I would be interested in knowing his age and appearance, it may shed light on her getting involved with DS at the DG.


ETA BTW all Walmarts have code adam

 

[Reality Orlando]

Now he gets to work the system again. He'll be given some lawyers, and the psychiatrists are lining up.

What he needs is a quick execution. JMO.

Quick execution...what an oxymoron.

 

[Perodicticus potto]

Having an attitude like I am free to go wherever at whatever hour lends itself to becoming a victim.

Law-abiding people SHOULD be free to go wherever they want at whatever hour. The only people to blame for crimes are criminals.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think she did let her daughter go to McDonald's with Smith, and it wasn't until later on when they hadn't returned that she went to see what was going on, and then noticed they were gone.

 

[BrownRice]

Law-abiding people SHOULD be free to go wherever they want at whatever hour. The only people to blame for crimes are criminals.

Right - should in a perfect world. Can't in this world.

Mom's story makes no sense. If she got a creepy feeling from the guy in the van, why not ditch him at WalMart? Ask security to have him leave. Her story - the kid left with him to get a burger on her own volition. Really? If my kid said I'm getting a burger with Mr. Smith (who we just met a couple hours ago), I'd say no you're not and yank her back with me. I am horribly sad this happened to this child, but I cannot let the parent go without responsibility here.

You just cannot expect to go anywhere, at anytime, with anybody (a complete stranger) and assume you and your kids will be safe. And then try to deny any culpability if the worse case scenario happens.

Remember the flack Elizabeth Smart's parents received for having a homeless drifter come into their house and do repair work - Emanuel? That's nothing compared to his (levels of irresponsibility for protecting your kids).

 

[JaxFlaGal]

OMG this hits so close to home. My husband just read me an update on our community's neighborhood watch FB page. My community's neighborhood watch leader spoke with the NW leader of the commnity adjacent to ours. Smith was apparently believed to be seen last Monday attempting to lure a young girl into his van in that community. This is officially hearsay, but we'll do what we can to ensure the original reporter notifies the detectives on this case.

Get out of jail, buy a stuffed pony to put in your van (actionnewsjax.com article), and start trolling communties throughout Jacksonville.

Our community is in the northeast corner of Jacksonville; the Wal-Mart is the We're about 15 miles northeast of that Dollar Store, and about 13 miles east of the Wal-Mart. This perv was getting around in his trolling.

To put that in perspective, here's the Jacksonville Sheriffs Office patrol map (more granular maps are viewable in each zone's sub-section):
http://www.coj.net/departments/sheriffs-office/patrol-division.aspx

The Wal-Mart is in Zone 6, P-2. Our communities are in Zone 6, Q-3. The body was found in zone 6, P-1. The Dollar Store (and the child's home) is in Zone 5, N-2, and the murderer's home is in Zone 3, G-2.

 

[manzana]

Right - should in a perfect world. Can't in this world.

Mom's story makes no sense. If she got a creepy feeling from the guy in the van, why not ditch him at WalMart? Ask security to have him leave. Her story - the kid left with him to get a burger on her own volition. Really? If my kid said I'm getting a burger with Mr. Smith (who we just met a couple hours ago), I'd say no you're not and yank her back with me. I am horribly sad this happened to this child, but I cannot let the parent go without responsibility here.

You just cannot expect to go anywhere, at anytime, with anybody (a complete stranger) and assume you and your kids will be safe. And then try to deny any culpability if the worse case scenario happens.

Remember the flack Elizabeth Smart's parents received for having a homeless drifter come into their house and do repair work - Emanuel? That's nothing compared to his (levels of irresponsibility for protecting your kids).

Right Right, Right.

There are plenty of neighborhoods in South Chicago, let alone almost all major cities where going for a walk at 3 am would be stupid and greater the odds of becoming a victim even if someone is a law abiding citizen.

 

[Salem]

Respectfully snipped by me

Just a few off the top of my head, had a knife at throat and was robbed of $300.00, had a shotgun aimed at head, had four gold chains ripped from my neck.........each situation could have been easily avoided by me. People do do alot to bring on their own victimization in many situations. Making better decisions can go a long way to prevent one from becoming a victim,

Having an attitude like I am free to go wherever at whatever hour lends itself to becoming a victim.

And I hope that had something happened in one of the above situations and your life was lost, I would not call you stupid. That I would understand that we all make bad decisions sometimes or we don't listen to what our gut is telling us. That doesn't mean we should die for it, or that someone should take our child and harm them.

Yes, bad decisions were made here. I agree and I am very sorry about the loss of Cherish. It is heartbreaking. I just can't beat her mom up for it at this point.

I pray Cherish is flying high with the angels, safe and forever free from pain and fear.

Salem

 

[Nana]

I see that the perp got the family to sit in his van waiting thus getting his victim familiar with his van. sigh.

About his "wife", did he make fake calls on a cell phone and pretend to speak to someone in the mother's presence?

Does it say how long they sat in the van?
This mother at her age had to know nothing and I mean nothing in life is FREE not even a flipin' Walmart gift card!!
No matter how bad mommy feels today it can't compare to what that baby went through and how she felt!
I feel so sorry for the other babies and what they will have to go through.

 

[manzana]

Our community is in the northeast corner of Jacksonville; the Wal-Mart is the We're about 15 miles northeast of that Dollar Store, and about 13 miles east of the Wal-Mart. This perv was getting around in his trolling.



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WOW, that really changes things....13-15 miles I thought it was just a short jaunt down the street. (DG to Walmart)

That is some distance Maybe just maybe you could say ok if mom decides to go for a couple of blocks without the children in carseats with a complete stranger but 15 miles. and at what point do they go from strangers to friends. Anyone I spend fours fours with I do not view as a stranger, but then I do not strike up friendships at the dollar store with RSO's

 

[WillenFan21]

Does anyone have a link to where Charish's mom talks to the media?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I get why people are protective of the mother. But the victim here is Charish. It seems ok to me that we consider ALL the factors that lead to her terrible and avoidable death.

Weighing up the choices the mother made is not 'bashing' her. It is a learning process for any parent - what did she do and what choices did she make that ultimately contributed to Charish's outcome. Her mother didn't kill her. But the choices she made contributed to Charish been in a vulnerable position that lead to her death.

Ignoring the obvious facts in this scenario (and I'm not necessarily agreeing with some of the theories put forward, just the facts such as what the mother herself has stated to the media) seems ignorant. Every child deserves to be protected. Whilst child sex offenders are out there on the streets, every child's parent or guardian needs to protect them, supervise them where possible.

My biggest gripe with this mother's actions is that she has clearly admitted that she felt uneasy in this man (animal)'s company. Yet she did not approach Walmart management to report that he was hanging around her, she did enter his vehicle with her children even though she felt uneasy, and she didn't keep her children close and 100% supervised even though this 'creepy' man was interacting with them.

I think this about sums it up nicely.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Respectfully snipped by me

And I hope that had something happened in one of the above situations and your life was lost, I would not call you stupid. That I would understand that we all make bad decisions sometimes or we don't listen to what our gut is telling us. That doesn't mean we should die for it, or that someone should take our child and harm them.

Yes, bad decisions were made here. I agree and I am very sorry about the loss of Cherish. It is heartbreaking. I just can't beat her mom up for it at this point.

I pray Cherish is flying high with the angels, safe and forever free from pain and fear.

Salem

This reminds me a bit of Adam Walsh, John's son. He was left to play in a sears toy dept. while Mom looked for a lamp. Not a decision many would have made, yet I see small children all the time looking at toys alone. I'm sure she has lived with many years of emotional pain most of us can't even imagine.

 

[necco]

This mother at her age had to know nothing and I mean nothing in life is FREE not even a flipin' Walmart gift card!!

Respectfully snipped

There is actually a movement where people ARE giving things for free. It's been building for years now and most recently around here has been used after Newtown as a way to pay tribute to the victims. Random acts of kindness and paying it forward. It is fun. It is life-affirming. Sounds to me like the mom thought she was just going to be on the receiving end of one such act.

It's too bad monsters like this guy make the world so cynical.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Oh my god.....I have just read this story and I can not believe it. How awful....that poor little girl and what a sick evil man he is to do this.... this is the stuff nightmares are made of.

And yes like the rest of you I am fuming. I am so sick of do gooders and their rehabilitation carp. Do these psychologists on parole boards not think that quite often these men well tell them a load of bulls..t to get out of prison earlier. Please do not take it personally anyone working in that field, but sometimes I think that some of them think they know their stuff so well that they can see what the person is all about and therefore unable to be manipulated. I know of one case (custody battle) where a person put forward a fake personality altogether to con a psychologist and it worked. They boasted about it.

Your judicial system is tougher than ours in Australia however there is now starting to be an outcry about the ridiculousness of prisoners getting early parole.

Tonight on our version of Sixty Minutes there was a segment dedicated to it. The Jill Meagher case has really peeved of the general public over here. For those that don't know, she was raped and murdered last year. The guy who did it was 41 and had raped 22 yes 22 women and was out on parole awaiting another 5 rape cases and an assault charge when he murdered her. A psychologist on the parole board has said he wouldn't reoffend!!!!!!!!!!! gggggrrrrr. Now there are parents suing the government over here in similar cases for undue care (think that is the term).

I know I have gone off topic, but lets hope the lax judicial system in our countries toughens up so there aren't as many poor victims like Charish and Jill.

Well I am a "do gooder" who believes in "rehabilitation carp"...a licensed social worker and a certified rehabilitation counselor...and I am here to say that there are situations when the "do-gooding" and the "rehabilitation carp" have to go out the window. I've said it before...one person's rights end where other people's rights begin. And in the case of someone like this perpetrator with his record, well, he never should have been outside the prison gate to be able to snooker this foolish mother, much less get his hands on the poor daughter.

Some people do not respond to rehabilitation. Some situations mandate that the perpetrator not be given a second chance to repeat the crimes. We've seen it time and time again: The only thing the criminal "learns" in prison is to perfect the crime next time; and often that means shutting up the victim so the victim can't identify the criminal.

Nope, no amount of "do-gooding" or "rehabilitation carp" is likely to ever help this person...but for those who insist on trying over and over...let's keep trying while the person is still behind bars with no chance to prove us "do-gooders" and "rehabilitation carp-ers" wrong.

Oh...one more thing...you can't lay the blame at the feet of the "do-gooders" and "rehabilitation carp-ers" all the time either. How many times have the social workers/counselors/psychologists recommended that someone not be released, but they are released nontheless due to prison overcrowding or system loopholes? Try being a "do-gooder" and "rehabilitation carp-er" who has to watch someone walk out of prison, knowing that they are headed straight for their next crime.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

WOW, that really changes things....13-15 miles I thought it was just a short jaunt down the street. (DG to Walmart)

That is some distance Maybe just maybe you could say ok if mom decides to go for a couple of blocks without the children in carseats with a complete stranger but 15 miles. and at what point do they go from strangers to friends. Anyone I spend fours fours with I do not view as a stranger, but then I do not strike up friendships at the dollar store with RSO's

Let me clarify that the Dollar General and the Wal-Mart are about 5 miles apart. The thing I find noteworthy is that the family in 2009 lived somewhere on the westside of Jax, he picked up this family on the Northside and may have been recently trolling in the Northeast quadrant. It just feels like he went out of his way to not "piss in his own backyard", as it were. I wish I knew how close/far his priors were from his mom's home to see if that's a long-persisting pattern.