GUILTY FL - Cherish Perrywinkle, 8, Jacksonville, 21 June 2013 #1

[Donjeta]

I am kind of wondering (not intending any disrespect to anyone) if certain lines of work might sometimes blur the lines and normalize some stuff that probably shouldn't be normal. What i mean is, if you have spent some time making a living dealing with creepy old men who give you money at the strip club it mght not always seem like such a big deal to deal with one more in Walmart, thinking i can handle this, not realizing that this is a different kind of creeper who is interested in killing little girls instead of ogling adult females. i'm sure the work would make some people even more sensitive and more aware of the dangers, more careful, more protective of ther children because of all the human creepiness they've witnessed first hand but not everybody is similar.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Can someone tell me if I have this all wrong?

Boyfriend knew that she was going to dollar general.. but had NO idea she was going to wal-mart.. right?

So how did he know to go there to look for her?

Dollar general is open after 11 PM? Where would he have thought a woman who had little money with 3 children in tow would be so late on foot.

 

[Donjeta]

Can someone tell me if I have this all wrong?

Boyfriend knew that she was going to dollar general.. but had NO idea she was going to wal-mart.. right?

So how did he know to go there to look for her?

wouldn't the mother or someone else have called him when they found out that Cherish was missing?

 

[AstroKitty]

I am kind of wondering (not intending any disrespect to anyone) if certain lines of work might sometimes blur the lines and normalize some stuff that probably shouldn't be normal. What i mean is, if you have spent some time making a living dealing with creepy old men who give you money at the strip club it mght not always seem like such a big deal to deal with one more in Walmart, thinking i can handle this, not realizing that this is a different kind of creeper who is interested in killing little girls instead of ogling adult females. i'm sure the work would make some people even more sensitive and more aware of the dangers, more careful, more protective of ther children because of all the human creepiness they've witnessed first hand but not everybody is similar.

Eh but not really. I've done this for 20 years and my paranoia meter is freaking high. Most girls it is as well. You gotta realize the kind of people we encounter on a daily basis .. the BS stories we hear and everything else.

They only report that she HAD danced and with Cherish being the age that she is (and the mother being the age that she is) I can't imagine her still dancing, but then again - I've worked with 50 year old women and never thought that would happen either. Maybe she worked for a day, a week or 10 years. It doesn't state how long she did it for a living but I'm guessing it was her last job OR the media just wants to state it to drum up web hits. It IS the media and they do not ever pass up a chance to take the vilify anyone who's done this for a living. Ever. When's the last time something tragic happened to a sex worker and you hear she's a decent person before hearing of her occupation? Rarely if ever.

If I had to guess.. I would say Rayne wasn't in this business for awhile ( we call them "tourists" ) or she was someone who was easily snowed by customers. Typically those girls never last long. You have to have tough skin and street smarts to make it in this world, she apparently is lacking in both. And that's not a slight against her at all, it's just an observation. Not everyone has common sense. but I will tell you this, of all my friends and co-workers that have heard this story - all the co-wokerers are screaming "Who waits around for hours on a promise of a gift card? Who even believes that from a stranger?!". We are a "show it or shut up" type crowd. Men like to tell us about how much money they have and blah blah blah.. the rule of thumb is "If they talk about it, they don't have it", so generally speaking .. I don't know a single sex worker that would fall for this crap. Not a single one and I know some rather gullible girls.

 

[AstroKitty]

wouldn't the mother or someone else have called him when they found out that Cherish was missing?

I would think so but that's why I asked. I haven't read how he found out except one earlier link that stated he felt something was wrong and asked a neighbor to take him there. The key word being "felt".

 

[AstroKitty]

Dollar general is open after 11 PM? Where would he have thought a woman who had little money with 3 children in tow would be so late on foot.

I have no idea, I don't shop in those places. But she took off around 7pm not 11pm. Who goes shopping that long if they're broke and dragging around 3 kids who I'm assuming were tired and "over it"? That's why I'm asking a question, because it doesn't make sense.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I am kind of wondering (not intending any disrespect to anyone) if certain lines of work might sometimes blur the lines and normalize some stuff that probably shouldn't be normal. What i mean is, if you have spent some time making a living dealing with creepy old men who give you money at the strip club it mght not always seem like such a big deal to deal with one more in Walmart, thinking i can handle this, not realizing that this is a different kind of creeper who is interested in killing little girls instead of ogling adult females. i'm sure the work would make some people even more sensitive and more aware of the dangers, more careful, more protective of ther children because of all the human creepiness they've witnessed first hand but not everybody is similar.

BINGO! I have know 2 strippers in my life.One when I was 7 she was a go go dancer mid 60's.She was a great mom and used what see aw back then to be a terrific mom or my mom would have never befriended her in the first place,but even though we had little her daughter was smaller then I was and mom took my dresses that were tight or to short and asked if she would like them for her child.That is how they met. The other one was when my daughter at 7 on the school bus had talked to a girl who looked 5 who told her she was going to be alone because he mom was working that day.She asked if I would ask the mom if she could play at our house.That girl was 7 her mom handed her over in 10 minutes of knowing me.This was not a single mom.My daughter gained her very best friend that day and I gained a second daughter,She was at our house more then her own and when she was 14 she told my daughter she found her moms boyfriends gun hidden in a draw and told my daughter how she felt like using it.My daughter told me and I told her mom but I said please do not punish her I was afraid for her and knew she needed help.Her mother told the boyfriend and she was punished by both of them.She knew why I did what I did and why I did it .My daughter was her Maid of Honor last year.Sorry for the long post but it is not the occupation it is the individual.

ETA I just wanted the mom to get that gun out of their apt so she could not hurt herself, I knew she was going to tell her how she knew.

 

[necco]

I am kind of wondering (not intending any disrespect to anyone) if certain lines of work might sometimes blur the lines and normalize some stuff that probably shouldn't be normal. What i mean is, if you have spent some time making a living dealing with creepy old men who give you money at the strip club it mght not always seem like such a big deal to deal with one more in Walmart, thinking i can handle this, not realizing that this is a different kind of creeper who is interested in killing little girls instead of ogling adult females. i'm sure the work would make some people even more sensitive and more aware of the dangers, more careful, more protective of ther children because of all the human creepiness they've witnessed first hand but not everybody is similar.

Not unless they're strung out, for the most part. I used to get regaled with stories about the creepy men customers. Trust me, the women in it just for the payday, who view it as a means to an end (and that end isn't a fix) are probably MORE grossed out by the creepy old men. I know someone who almost called DCF on a customer except she didn't know his name because he said something creepy to her like "You look just like my daughter."

The clearheaded sex workers are probably far better at sizing up strangers than your average woman, since it is their job, in a sense, to understand how the sexual side of someone works in order to engage it for the sake of entertainment.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I have no idea, I don't shop in those places. But she took off around 7pm not 11pm. Who goes shopping that long if they're broke and dragging around 3 kids who I'm assuming were tired and "over it"? That's why I'm asking a question, because it doesn't make sense.

Yes that what I meant.He had to know and he said he did.Nothing makes sense here.

 

[Tricia]

Please everyone lets leave the snarky comments about people off the forum OK? Thank You

 

[AstroKitty]

Yes that what I meant.He had to know and he said he did.Nothing makes sense here.

Oh okay I read it wrong. I think adding to all the confusion is the small details that aren't either known or told. we've not heard of any cell phones being used and how the boyfriend would know to look at the wal-mart either. Kind of the same way most of us believed it was Cherish who wanted the dress to go to her dads' house, but it was Rayne who wanted the dress. It's the little things that add up to a big huge confusing mess. Or maybe we are complicating a seriously simple story with a terrible ending?

The entire sad situation feels contrived, planned and well thought out - and that makes me SO MAD. I wonder what it was with this guy that McDonald's is his "thing" or M.o? This is the 2nd time it's fell into the background of an arrest. I want to know how he finds the families he victimizes.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I have no idea, I don't shop in those places. But she took off around 7pm not 11pm. Who goes shopping that long if they're broke and dragging around 3 kids who I'm assuming were tired and "over it"? That's why I'm asking a question, because it doesn't make sense.

I'm wondering too, if she walked to the Dollar General with 3 kids in tow or did she drive her own car? If she walked, how far is it from her house? And I wonder why the boyfriend didn't become concerned about her after 3 hours and go looking for her?

 

[Donjeta]

Not unless they're strung out, for the most part. I used to get regaled with stories about the creepy men customers. Trust me, the women in it just for the payday, who view it as a means to an end (and that end isn't a fix) are probably MORE grossed out by the creepy old men. I know someone who almost called DCF on a customer except she didn't know his name because he said something creepy to her like "You look just like my daughter."

The clearheaded sex workers are probably far better at sizing up strangers than your average woman, since it is their job, in a sense, to understand how the sexual side of someone works in order to engage it for the sake of entertainment.

That's sort of what I meant with becoming more sensitive of the dangers.

Guess I'm just trying to make sense of the comment that the mother found him creepy but went with him anyway.

 

[Really?]

Is it just me, or is there an inordinate number of these sickos living in Florida????

No, it's not just you. I have thought that too. :scared:

 

[LarkBunting]

Thank you, Astrokitty, for bringing up some good ideas/info. re dancers & other sex workers. You said some interesting things that I hadn't thought about before. I agree that sex workers have to be very street smart to survive. Cherish's mother did not exhibit that quality, sadly.

 

[blue22]

Guess I'm just trying to make sense of the comment that the mother found him creepy but went with him anyway.

In my opinion, nothing the mother could offer, would make sense of it. I will NEVER understand what she did.

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

This has to be one of the most tragic cases I have read about here. RIP Young Lady.

 

[AstroKitty]

I'm wondering too, if she walked to the Dollar General with 3 kids in tow or did she drive her own car? If she walked, how far is it from her house? And I wonder why the boyfriend didn't become concerned about her after 3 hours and go looking for her?

That's what I'm hung up on too (well, one of several odd ball things). I know there's simple people out there where bad things happen due to their.. um, simplicity (shall we say). But I don't get a feeling that they are that ignorant.

I don't know that they ever released anything about a car, so I'm guessing she didn't have one. She still could have gotten a lift from this if she didn't have the money for gas and he offered - but wouldn't she put a car seat in for the youngest? So, I'm guessing there was no car.

I know that if I had said I was going down the street with the kids and I would be back shortly - if I didn't arrive back in 2 hours people would be a tad concerned. i just don't know why he would assume the wal-mart with it being rather far away and not accessible by foot. KWIM? here's where I'm conflicted:

If anyone is reading this that has or IS a sex worker - then you will agree; if you're broke and not able to feed your children/clothe them - and you're so down n' out that 100.00 makes an impact - you would GO TO WORK for at least a night. 100.00 is more than doable on a Thursday-Saturday within an HOUR or two. (10 lapdances if it's 10.00 a dance or 5 dances if it's 20.00 a dances plus stage $ which you never tip out on). Why didn't she just go work a day shift or whatever? I'm sure there's a real reason but it's the first that came to mind.

Your significant other is at home but you take all 3 kids out after dinner when they could be at home and not driving you crazy in a store? Even the most "dedicated" moms would want to leave the kids behind if it's a quick errand because you don't have much money to spend anyhow. So why did she have to take all 3?

She feels creeped out but hangs around for HOURS in a store? Things to remember though: She wasn't alone (even with kids you generally feel safer because it's a power in #'s sort of thing). She was in public. But after even an hour you have to feel something isn't right on this mysterious wife or gift card. And how much stuff can you get in a walmart as opposed to the dollar general? How was he going to spend the gift card on her at dollar general anyway? Because that's how this story is told and starts out:

They meet at DG and she can't afford a dress so she puts it back. he pops up out of nowhere and strikes up a convo and offers to get it for her. They hang around DG for a bit but then he says his wife is running late and they should go to walmart where she has a gift card. Why didn't he just buy the outfit at DG when he offered? how did the conversation about about another store even come into play? Was it for groceries? If so - why are they shopping in the women's clothing aisle?

How was he in contact with his "wife"? There has to have been a cell phone although walmart does have payphones (I called and checked lol -they are in the front of the store where you walk in). Also DG has them outside the store.

The lack of communication is where I'm "stuck", then comes the trust of a stranger, not calling 911 TILL THE STORE CLOSED etc. I'm only side eyeing the story we are told, which I'm sure isn't all of it - but what we are told doesn't add up. I know the public isn't entitled to know everything because it really is none of our business. The bad guy is locked up now, he poses no danger to us. But, I'm one of those that thinks "if you're going to tell us this much, you might as well tell us the rest of the story".

If the mother and bf were grieving and handling this without utilizing the media to invent reasons why Cherish it to blame and she is not .. I would see this a tad differently. the mother is 30 + years older than her daughter, there is no excuse in my opinion. But this did bring up something very important to the public at large: Our kids believe that anyone we generally befriend is no longer a stranger danger. I never once thought to tell my sons to not trust even people they THINK I'm trusting because I engage in conversation. I did ask both kids how they would have reacted to a man that gave us a ride and took us shopping - that offered to take them to eat. They said "Yeah I'd go but only because I wouldn't want you to think I'm being rude". that's quickly been put to bed though. scary stuff.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Oh okay I read it wrong. I think adding to all the confusion is the small details that aren't either known or told. we've not heard of any cell phones being used and how the boyfriend would know to look at the wal-mart either. Kind of the same way most of us believed it was Cherish who wanted the dress to go to her dads' house, but it was Rayne who wanted the dress. It's the little things that add up to a big huge confusing mess. Or maybe we are complicating a seriously simple story with a terrible ending?

The entire sad situation feels contrived, planned and well thought out - and that makes me SO MAD. I wonder what it was with this guy that McDonald's is his "thing" or M.o? This is the 2nd time it's fell into the background of an arrest. I want to know how he finds the families he victimizes.

Some make it so very easy for Pedophiles, like what happened here. Even gullible trust everyone in the world kind of people, should have seen at least one red flag.Stranger danger saved a child who was a few aisles away from the mom because the child screamed when a stranger tried to take the child.In another Walmart recently I read it when looking for more info on this one.

 

[blue22]

AstroKitty - The quoting thing went wonky, so I just bolded some of your questions.

Why didn't she just go work a day shift or whatever? I'm sure there's a real reason but it's the first that came to mind.

I'm not sure there will be a real reason.

How was he going to spend the gift card on her at dollar general anyway? Because that's how this story is told and starts out:
Why didn't he just buy the outfit at DG when he offered? how did the conversation about about another store even come into play?

He never offered to buy her anything at DG, that has been disclosed. His story was that he had a giftcard at Walmart, and that is how he could buy her the dress. (Like, he didn't have the cash to do it at DG, but he has the giftcard, so they have to go there if she wants the dress.) He was not goingto spend the giftcard at DG, only at Walmart. That's why they headed there.

How was he in contact with his "wife"? There has to have been a cell phone although Walmart does have payphones (I called and checked lol -they are in the front of the store where you walk in). Also DG has them outside the store.

None of that has been disclosed. I'm guessing the DG surveillance and employees will explain that. DG came out today and said they are fully cooperating with authorities.

The lack of communication is where I'm "stuck", then comes the trust of a stranger, not calling 911 TILL THE STORE CLOSED etc.

I have seriously thought that maybe she didn't notice her gone, until they started making the closing announcements for the store. She needed him to get the items and she had to find him. I wonder if she was looking for HIM at first (to pay, once she heard the store was closing) and realized they weren't there. And THEN worried about her daughter. Those are just all my personal thoughts. I just find the fact that she noticed her gone when the store was closing...curious.