FL FL - Clermont, WhtMale UP6030, 24-32, transgender, breast implants, Sep'88

[imstilla.grandma]

Unidentified Deceased​

Clermont - 1988​

On September 25, 1988 a victim was found deceased 30 feet off the side of CR 474 in Clermont. The victim had been deceased for 2 – 4 weeks in a rural, heavily wooded area. The victim was initially thought to be female until 2015 when DNA testing revealed the victim was biologically male. The victim was wearing a skirt, had breast implants and there is evidence she may have been taking female hormone injections. It is unknown if the victim had undergone any other gender reassignment surgery.

The victim was wearing an acid washed blue denim skirt, 26.5” waist, brand name Manisha and a green/blue tank top.

The victim is Caucasian, biologically male, age 24 – 33. Approximately 5’9” – 5’11” and 150 – 180 pounds. She had long strawberry blonde hair, believed to be colored, with brown roots. She had well-manicured nails, believed to be false and silicone breast implants (from 1983 or prior). There is evidence of a rhinoplasty (nose job) and healed broken toe, rib and facial (cheek) bones. She had multiple dental artifacts (i.e. fillings, extracted molars). Isotope analysis of her bone, teeth and hair revealed she is from south Florida.

The above sketches are approximations of what she may have looked like.
“Julie Doe” remains UNIDENTIFIED.
LCSO case number: 88-09-4583
NamUs case number: 6030
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[John/Jane Doe]

Transgender Julie Doe - DNA Doe Project

Who was Julie Doe? On September 25, 1988 a passerby looking for cypress wood to build lawn furniture discovered the body of Julie Doe in a wooded area in the vicinity of Hwy 474, four miles east of Hwy 33 west of Orlando, FL. It appeared that the body had been dragged from the roadside […]

dnadoeproject.org

 

[Melt71]

According to DDP Julies highest match is now 161.2 CM!!

And since this post in March 2022 no higher match has eventuated. I hope 2023 is the year that a close relative - who knows Julie - uploads their DNA

 

[DS2021]

And since this post in March 2022 no higher match has eventuated. I hope 2023 is the year that a close relative - who knows Julie - uploads their DNA

For all we know shes already identified. Hopefully that's the case

 

[Springrain]

For all we know shes already identified. Hopefully that's the case

Would be wonderful if she's been ID'd and they're sitting on an announcement!

 

[iamshadow21]

So many of the 'long term' Does I've been following for ages have been IDed in the last couple of years. Still hanging out for IDs for two of the probable/possible transgender Does I keep tabs on.

Live Oak Street Doe was IDed, not publicly, but that doesn't matter, she got a name back, hopefully, her chosen one. But I'm still waiting for that notice that they've IDed Chimney Doe and Julie Doe. They've been waiting for such a long time. And I know they're working with very degraded remains, especially in the case of Miss Chimney. But they deserve to come home, in the same way everyone does, from the most innocent babes found in garbage bins and recycling centres to the meanest of gangsters found in cement foundations or Lake Mead. Everyone deserves respect after death. Everybody. And part of that is calling someone by their name. It's just more complicated when your biology and the name on your birth certificate hasn't ever felt like yours. And when you're looking for found family, and a pandemic erases most of a generation of queer folk, it just makes it so much harder.

I know it can be done, though. So I check, and I wait, and I hope, that 2023 will be the year.

Let's bring them home. Whatever home means, wherever it may be. No one should wait for thirty years in a box in a storage room.

An ID, a name, dignity, family, community, for these Does, and all the rest.

2023. So mote it be.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

 

[NYanon]

Current Exclusions, please?

 

[sorcoy14]

Current Exclusions, please?

 

[NYanon]

View attachment 396997

Thank you. I had hoped there would be more.

 

[Puzzleworth]

I think Julie Doe's case is probably complicated by the chaos of that time. Picture South Florida in the '80s--cocaine smugglers, truckers, mobsters, Marielitos, a construction boom, and the short-term populations that accompany all that. Her acquaintances might think she'd just moved on. And, more than that, if she was part of the LGBT community the AIDS crisis probably took most everyone who knew her. If she was "undercover" and simply tried to blend in to cisgender-dominant society, searchers might overlook the case of a "John Doe" if they tried to find what happened to her.

But the biggest problem is that her legal identity (what's on the papers) might be completely different from who she really was, as others knew her. So she might be functionally two different people in history--the person on the legal documents, and the person in the newspaper clippings or yearbooks or family photos. Or, if she did file for a legal name/gender change, her birth documents might be one way, and her adult documents another. Then the genealogists have to track down that link, which might be sealed or filed in some far-flung jurisdiction. (If it exists at all and the office didn't just go "okay, here's your driver's license, Ms X, no proof of identity needed") Given the *advertiser censored*/transphobia of the era it's not impossible that her birth relatives simply cut her off and didn't know what happened after that.

All that to say: They might find her legal name easily, but you can't exactly say "This woman was once named John Roe, and we don't know what happened after that!"

 

[Friday Fan]

I think Julie Doe's case is probably complicated by the chaos of that time. Picture South Florida in the '80s--cocaine smugglers, truckers, mobsters, Marielitos, a construction boom, and the short-term populations that accompany all that. Her acquaintances might think she'd just moved on. And, more than that, if she was part of the LGBT community the AIDS crisis probably took most everyone who knew her. If she was "undercover" and simply tried to blend in to cisgender-dominant society, searchers might overlook the case of a "John Doe" if they tried to find what happened to her.

But the biggest problem is that her legal identity (what's on the papers) might be completely different from who she really was, as others knew her. So she might be functionally two different people in history--the person on the legal documents, and the person in the newspaper clippings or yearbooks or family photos. Or, if she did file for a legal name/gender change, her birth documents might be one way, and her adult documents another. Then the genealogists have to track down that link, which might be sealed or filed in some far-flung jurisdiction. (If it exists at all and the office didn't just go "okay, here's your driver's license, Ms X, no proof of identity needed") Given the *advertiser censored*/transphobia of the era it's not impossible that her birth relatives simply cut her off and didn't know what happened after that.

All that to say: They might find her legal name easily, but you can't exactly say "This woman was once named John Roe, and we don't know what happened after that!"

Agree with this.
However, for some reason Julie is not getting very high DNA matches either, considering that her admixture is white/anglo/ north Europe. Hopefully a close relative will test soon....

 

[Melt71]

Agree with this.
However, for some reason Julie is not getting very high DNA matches either, considering that her admixture is white/anglo/ north Europe. Hopefully a close relative will test soon....

I forget - forgive me but it’s so hard to search effectively on my phone - do we have any kind of potential geographic locations or family names that have been released?

 

[Friday Fan]

I forget - forgive me but it’s so hard to search effectively on my phone - do we have any kind of potential geographic locations or family names that have been released?

Wikipedia say they did isotopes, but I take them with a grain of salt. The isotopes say southern Florida.
The breast implants from either Atlanta, Georgia; Miami, Florida; New Orleans, Louisiana; New York City or California likely implanted in 1984

No names are in her Doe DNA Profile.
DOE DNA Spreadsheet DNA Doe Project Public Cases.xlsx

Transgender Julie Doe - DNA Doe Project

Who was Julie Doe? On September 25, 1988 a passerby looking for cypress wood to build lawn furniture discovered the body of Julie Doe in a wooded area in the vicinity of Hwy 474, four miles east of Hwy 33 west of Orlando, FL. It appeared that the body had been dragged from the roadside […]

dnadoeproject.org

Julie Doe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

She's obviously northern European/Anglo -

 

[Springrain]

I'm wondering if this will turn out to be another non paternal event?

 

[djanga]

The new update on the DDP’s Florida cases mentions a new development in Julie’s case! I really hope she will be identidad soon

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7219293914023464235

 

[Springrain]

The new update on the DDP’s Florida cases mentions a new development in Julie’s case! I really hope she will be identidad soon

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7219293914023464235

I'm glad to hear progress has been made!!

 

[EmiliaRT007]

Yeah, this is very confusing, to say the least. Those born male can't give birth, even if they are transgender women. Something is really wrong with the information.

It's even more confusing to see born-female Wendy Huggy on the rule-out list.

She was originally thought to be biologically female because of her pelvic shape. Her pelvis changed shape due to hormone replacement and sex reassignment surgery. They later found out she was a transgender woman, as they found she had XY chromosomes.

 

[UnlicensedPI]

She was originally thought to be biologically female because of her pelvic shape. Her pelvis changed shape due to hormone replacement and sex reassignment surgery. They later found out she was a transgender woman, as they found she had XY chromosomes.

This isn't quite accurate. It wasn't the pelvic shape, it was the pitting on the pelvic bone. Pitting is usually caused by childbirth but, in this case, was caused by HRT. HRT does not cause the pelvic shape to change.

 

[EmiliaRT007]

This isn't quite accurate. It wasn't the pelvic shape, it was the pitting on the pelvic bone. Pitting is usually caused by childbirth but, in this case, was caused by HRT. HRT does not cause the pelvic shape to change.

Okay! Thanks. That’s what I was trying to describe but I didn’t know how to describe it.