scriptgirl
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thanks, December.
thanks, December.
I remember in a few of the articles about her, etc. that they mentioned people made comments about her body and wearing things that "showed too much" , such as the cheerleading outfit..... too much at that time and age... well, was a skirt above the knees. I remember some of the pictures showed her in shorter shorts (for that time) which was considered a "disgrace". I remember my sister had to have shorts that were barely above the knee, and considered short at the time. Mid-calf of the leg, was the "respectable" length for shorts, and "those teenagers" & what they were wearing, as well as "rock-n-roll", was going to corrupt the world at that time. Then throw in that this was a small town community.I wonder if people were saying anything particularly bad about her BEFORE she died
I can't believe no one has botherd to mention they they were condemed to hang and they confessed ..Why would they not confess to the walkers if they had done it were they afraid of being hanged twice i dought it your only dead once they had no reason not to say ya we did it if they actually did it since they were gonna die for the clutters anyway.
Yeah one would think the viabilty of their crime scene DNA would be the FIRST thing they would establish before they started winnowing down their suspect list based on DNA, eliminating virtually all of them.To Kline:
I agree with most of what you say, except the part about "the fact remains it wasn't Dick and Perry".
We still can't say that, after all this time and testing. The testing did not rule them out, any more than it ruled them in:
"Authorities said they were unable to match the DNA because only partial profiles could be taken from the exhumed bodies in December, and the Walker crime scene samples were old and degraded."
When they say there is no DNA match, that is true, but also it does not rule them out. I know I am beating a dead horse here, and I tend to agree with you (all other things being equal) that the most likely suspect would be someone who knew the Walkers, except for two things:
1) What are the odds that a family is murdered at the same time two killers who have done the same thing in another jurisdiction happen to be passing through (frankly, it sounds like some Hollywood murder mystery where the local sheriff picks on some poor schmuck who happens to be covered in blood and holding the murder weapon and some hero private detective or lawyer figures out who really committed the murder. In real life, the obvious explanation is usually the correct one), and
2) I don't believe the statement that "the Walker crime scene samples were old and degraded". They had already been used to eliminate a bunch of suspects, so either that testing was no good, and everyone they eliminated should be back on the suspect list or (and this validates your other point) there is some other agenda at work here.
I can believe that (1) is a coincidence, however unlikely. I find it impossible to believe that the samples were no good.
Years ago, I worked on a capital murder case and it taught me that in prison everyone lies to you. In fact, they lie so often and so well that eventually they start to believe the lies as reality. I can believe quite easily that Hickock and Smith (if they killed the Walkers) could have gone to the gallows denying that fact, just like Hanratty did with the murder he committed. They would do so even if they were already condemned for another murder. Killers do not think the way you or I do, in spite of Capote's efforts to make it seem like they are just regular citizens.
Entirely possible.Maybe there are degrees of matching or something... and the people they excluded didn't match at all while the Clutter murderers matched a little. But, not enough to say it was or wasn't them because there are thousands of other people who'd match just as much?
This being said, I don't know why those two guys would be interested in the marriage license or the majorette uniform. But, I still wonder if the murderer is even the one who took that stuff.
The bloody bootprint turned out to belong to a "careless deputy". Maybe someone else got careless and those two items disappeared after the murders.
This being said, I don't know why those two guys would be interested in the marriage license or the majorette uniform. But, I still wonder if the murderer is even the one who took that stuff.
You know thats a good point,one would think they would still have that rifle and wouldnt they be able to determine if it was one used as the murder weapon via balistics?Personally, I think that's probably the case .. "unless" .... as suggested it was a person who knew her well, had a fantasy about her related to the days she wore the outfit, etc. And, I think the odds of that are as high as other theories on it.
My information was that Perry & Smith spent more than a few months in the same cell, and more like a couple of years. If you've been around prisons at all, your cellie has your back and you theirs, and .. well, close bonds of all types do develop. The info. that I referred to, refers to those that were in prison with them and what they had said about their relationship, not some detective. Either way, don't know that any of it had anything to do with they did or didn't do.
What I keep going back to is the .22 rifle that was found years later nearby buried in the dirt (over time or intentionally, don't know).... that goes with that they were convinced it was a .22 rifle used to shoot them. But, it still might not be the 'same' rifle.. but is suspect to me when it was found 1/2 mile from their house. I've wondered due to today's technology even sn#'s that seem gone, can be lifted ... and who this gun would track back to , if it could be tracked back to anyone at this point (doubtful).
Sunday Favorites: What Really Happened to the Walkers?
Part 3
...This connection is unfounded to some degree, but other pieces of evidence discovered within the killers' vehicle strongly suggests they had come into contact with the Walker family.
According to the SCSO, a pocketknife bearing a fruit tree design, children's socks and a greasy toddler's undershirt were found in the car.
Items taken from the Walker home after their murders included children's clothing, Christmas presents and a pocketknife with a fruit tree design that belonged to Cliff Walker, a report states. ...
...Investigators later found some of the Walker's stolen clothing in a field a mile from their home, a detail similar to the Clutter murders where investigators found personal items buried in a Kansas field. Hickock later admitted to authorities he sold two baby dolls wrapped in Christmas paper to a preacher in Louisiana.
The investigation stalled a couple years later when a serial killer named Emmett Monroe Spencer admitted to the Walker murders, but the confession was discredited by the then-Sarasota County Sheriff Ross Boyer ...
Yet details on Spencer indicate he and his girlfriend went on a crime and killing spree throughout the country and along the East Coast and into Florida, which one court record referred to as an “orgy of drunkenness, robbery and murder.” ...
...Sarasota County Sheriff’s detectives submitted Christine Walker’s underwear, which was found with semen on it, to the Florida Department of Investigation in 2004; four years later a complete DNA profile was obtained from the underwear, while a second partial DNA profile was also discovered. ...
Eagle, I think it is more than likely someone who knew Christine and recalled seeing her marching in parades. But, if it does turn out to be those other two then I do not believe they took the majorette uniform or the marriage license.
And I agree about the .22 rifle. Not too many people would bury a rifle without a good reason. Now, whether it could be traced to anyone is another story entirely. But, who knows, someone might recall who once had a .22 like that one particularly if that person suddenly no longer had it. Hmmm... wasn't their one suspect who sold his rifle and could not remember who he'd sold it to?
I still can't consider Hickock and Smith out of the picture on this one.
Some interesting stuff in the third installment of a series, linked below -- we may have already had the first two installments, not sure...but anyhow there are links to those as well at this link (blue bbm):
more at: http://www.thebradentontimes.com/ne...avorites_what_really_happened_to_the_walkers/
How many suspects .... are even still alive ? If some were talked to when they were older, etc... some times they want to clear their conscience / minds before they are gone, about things they have done.