Well, the PC affidavit mentions them all meeting after they returned from Tallahassee...I think Rivera must at least know enough to take-down KM.
GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU law professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #3 *Arrests*
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Well, the PC affidavit mentions them all meeting after they returned from Tallahassee...I think Rivera must at least know enough to take-down KM.
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They wanted it to go smooth. The shooter shoots him, hops in the car and the driver speeds away and they probably needed each other for support in their deadly deed.
So are the SAO and DeLeo really having this feud in public in the pages of the Democrat, or is this just kabuki? Also, wasn't there a reference somewhere to some surveillance indicating that the A's were planning to flee? Isn't that the kind of "additional evidence" that might prompt the SAO to bring charges. IMHO, just speculating as always.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...amily-fsu-slain-professor-20160603-story.html
http://www.wtxl.com/news/police-con...cle_1ba28d78-29c6-11e6-b8e9-438ab421bbda.html
Police Concerned Possible Markel Suspects May Leave Country
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That, and despite all the money, this wasn't a very professional job. Garcia wanted someone to do coke with while he was bored driving.
Revisiting WA's podcasts now is jarring given what LE has told us about the case in recent weeks. Among other things, LE has told us that:
1. WA and the rest of the family began stonewalling LE immediately after Dan's memorial service; the family then never inquired about the status of the investigation
2. WA vomited on the table at a dinner held by CA three weeks after the murder to "celebrate" Dan's death (according to Lacasse)
3. CA had long joked to WA and others about hiring a hit man to kill Dan,
4. WA's first reaction when questioned by LE was to spill "my brother!" though she later said he could never do such a thing.
5. WA expressed relief to the victim's advocate that her mother sounded "surprised" when informed that Dan had been killed
6. The A's had apparently "looked into" hiring a hitman for $15k the summer before Dan was killed (IIRC, this alleged fact was divulged by one of WA's ex boyfriend's, in which case it presumably would have been known to WA)
Etc.
With all of that in mind, and assuming it's all true, it seems very likely that WA knew or had good reason to believe that her family was very likely involved in Dan's death, either immediately after Dan was killed or some time in the following weeks/months (I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here - perhaps she had detailed/direct knowledge in advance of the crime but I don't think we've seen any direct evidence of that). Assuming that she knew or understood after the fact that her family was very likely involved, and perhaps even knew ahead of time that CA was allegedly looking into the matter in connection with the alleged $15k inquiries, it's chilling to me that she could have made the following statements, as if she and her family were merely completely innocent bystanders to the whole series of events:
"[Police interrogated me for 8 straight hours]...Cus it's usually the ex wife."
"Ten months ago, someone killed the father of my children. First we got divorced, then he got murdered. [Joke about 'Latex Spouse.'] Last July someone, and we still don't know who, shot my ex husband point blank in the back of the head as he pulled into our garage after driving our then 3 and 4 year old sons to preschool."
"It feels sacrilegious these days even to suggest something less than heroic about my Latex Husband because he was murdered. He died violently and young, and likely at the hands of a professional killer. And the media had a field day in response. [Expresses frustration at media scrutiny and having been 'treated as a murder suspect and not the mother of two fatherless boys.']"
"[My mother] has completely changed her life because mine fell apart. I write letters to her in my head every day, ones of immense gratitude, for facilitating my return from the bottom."
"Danny used to tell me that everyone used to tell me that I was such a nice person and such a good person, but he was the only one that knew the truth about what a bad person I was. He was convinced I had deluded everyone but him."
"I think for me a lot of the additional pain I felt on top of the murder and everything associated was that it felt unfair that I couldn't at least tell my own story, that the story got told for me, so I think there was an aspect of empowerment, of being able to say no this is my side of the story, this is what things looked like from my perspective."
"When D was killed, the media already had a field day with me, our acrimonious divorce, and my potential involvement in the murder of my children's father. So in a sense, they had already taken from me most of the things I would fear I would lose, like my professional identity, this veneer of safety we sell ourselves, and any semblance of privacy."
"I [now] know how tenuous and precious life is, and know that it could be snuffed out in an instant. I mean, if the man I thought I'd spend my life with could be murdered on a sunny summer morning, then what's to stop me from getting cancer and leaving my children orphaned."
I'm definitely not opining on her guilt or innocence here. Maybe she had no specific advance knowledge ahead of time. But if she could go on the podcast and make these statements, and otherwise speak about the murder with all of the knowledge that she seems to have had at the time of the podcast, she has some major cojones. What I find troubling is that she's acting like this murder was a freak occurrence and clutching her pearls at the notion that the media could suggest that she was involved with Dan's killing, while the evidence appears to strongly suggest that she likely knew or should have known at the time when she made these comments that the crime had allegedly been ordered by a member or members of her family, and that it was done on her behalf and for her benefit (whether she knew ahead of time or not).
IMHO, speculation based on the evidence that's been presented to the public. Everyone accused should of course be presumed innocent until proven guilty in court.
1. WA and the rest of the family began stonewalling LE immediately after Dan's memorial service; the family then never inquired about the status of the investigation
2. WA vomited on the table at a dinner held by CA three weeks after the murder to "celebrate" Dan's death (according to Lacasse)
3. CA had long joked to WA and others about hiring a hit man to kill Dan,
4. WA's first reaction when questioned by LE was to spill "my brother!" though she later said he could never do such a thing.
5. WA expressed relief to the victim's advocate that her mother sounded "surprised" when informed that Dan had been killed
6. The A's had apparently "looked into" hiring a hitman for $15k the summer before Dan was killed (IIRC, this alleged fact was divulged by one of WA's ex boyfriend's, in which case it presumably would have been known to WA)
Etc.
With all of that in mind, and assuming it's all true, it seems very likely that WA knew or had good reason to believe that her family was very likely involved in Dan's death, either immediately after Dan was killed or some time in the following weeks/months (I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here - perhaps she had detailed/direct knowledge in advance of the crime but I don't think we've seen any direct evidence of that). Assuming that she knew or understood after the fact that her family was very likely involved, and perhaps even knew ahead of time that CA was allegedly looking into the matter in connection with the alleged $15k inquiries, it's chilling to me that she could have made the following statements, as if she and her family were merely completely innocent bystanders to the whole series of events:
"[Police interrogated me for 8 straight hours]...Cus it's usually the ex wife."
"Ten months ago, someone killed the father of my children. First we got divorced, then he got murdered. [Joke about 'Latex Spouse.'] Last July someone, and we still don't know who, shot my ex husband point blank in the back of the head as he pulled into our garage after driving our then 3 and 4 year old sons to preschool."
"It feels sacrilegious these days even to suggest something less than heroic about my Latex Husband because he was murdered. He died violently and young, and likely at the hands of a professional killer. And the media had a field day in response. [Expresses frustration at media scrutiny and having been 'treated as a murder suspect and not the mother of two fatherless boys.']"
"[My mother] has completely changed her life because mine fell apart. I write letters to her in my head every day, ones of immense gratitude, for facilitating my return from the bottom."
"Danny used to tell me that everyone used to tell me that I was such a nice person and such a good person, but he was the only one that knew the truth about what a bad person I was. He was convinced I had deluded everyone but him."
"I think for me a lot of the additional pain I felt on top of the murder and everything associated was that it felt unfair that I couldn't at least tell my own story, that the story got told for me, so I think there was an aspect of empowerment, of being able to say no this is my side of the story, this is what things looked like from my perspective."
"When D was killed, the media already had a field day with me, our acrimonious divorce, and my potential involvement in the murder of my children's father. So in a sense, they had already taken from me most of the things I would fear I would lose, like my professional identity, this veneer of safety we sell ourselves, and any semblance of privacy."
"I [now] know how tenuous and precious life is, and know that it could be snuffed out in an instant. I mean, if the man I thought I'd spend my life with could be murdered on a sunny summer morning, then what's to stop me from getting cancer and leaving my children orphaned."
I'm definitely not opining on her guilt or innocence here. Maybe she had no specific advance knowledge ahead of time. But if she could go on the podcast and make these statements, and otherwise speak about the murder with all of the knowledge that she seems to have had at the time of the podcast, she has some major cojones. What I find troubling is that she's acting like this murder was a freak occurrence and clutching her pearls at the notion that the media could suggest that she was involved with Dan's killing, while the evidence appears to strongly suggest that she likely knew or should have known at the time when she made these comments that the crime had allegedly been ordered by a member or members of her family, and that it was done on her behalf and for her benefit (whether she knew ahead of time or not).
IMHO, speculation based on the evidence that's been presented to the public. Everyone accused should of course be presumed innocent until proven guilty in court.
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Actually, I think that Florida eliminated the statute of limitations for wrongful death by homicide in 2010 (the Jeffrey Klee Memorial Act of 2010).
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"One wonders if the Markel family will bring a civil action against the Adelson family (though probably not against the mother of their grandchildren, who seems the least implicated in all this given the circumstantial evidence). ANOTHER: Here's the full police account of the evidence implicating Charlie Adelson. It's extremely damning, and also suggests that the Adelson parents knew about this too. Why haven't Garcia or Rivera flipped? One possibility is they haven't been offered enough of a deal to make it worthwhile"
Personally there might be evidence against grandma, she wrote a lot of checks and wanted to pay a blackmailer (undercover cop).
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Article in People magazine online today.
http://www.people.com/article/dan-m...ased-phone-records-connects-to-adelson-family
http://www.people.com/article/dan-m...ased-phone-records-connects-to-adelson-family
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According to BOTH Garcia and Rivera's court docket, an ORDER TO EXTEND A SPEEDY TRIAL was filed today. The court, defense or SA are pushing this out longer. I wonder why?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-tracked-caught-suspected-hit-men-murder-fsu/story?id=42064896
Sept. 14 2016
How Police Tracked Down and Caught 2 Suspected Hit Men in FSU Professor Murder Case
Sept. 14 2016
How Police Tracked Down and Caught 2 Suspected Hit Men in FSU Professor Murder Case
WA tried to cast suspicion on her new and temporary beau, a fellow professor?!
Iirc, the divorce papers did not indicate any physical abuse or infidelity, why did WA repeatedly say in one way or another, that DM did not treat her well, hurt her ect?
Definitely do not want to say anything negative about the deceased, but what did DM supposedly do that ruffled feathers to that degree, besides not read his wife's book, and travel to NY for work/research?
imo, speculation.
Iirc, the divorce papers did not indicate any physical abuse or infidelity, why did WA repeatedly say in one way or another, that DM did not treat her well, hurt her ect?
Definitely do not want to say anything negative about the deceased, but what did DM supposedly do that ruffled feathers to that degree, besides not read his wife's book, and travel to NY for work/research?
imo, speculation.
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9/14/2016 ORDER EXTENDING SPEEDY TRIAL PERIOD
There is the ORDER, but no MOTION is listed on the docket prior to the ORDER. Where is the MOTION? Perhaps it’s not yet posted on the online docket?
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