GUILTY Fl - Dan Markel, 41, Fsu Law Professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #5 *arrests*

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Some of the comments on this site seem to think that if KM talks , turns states evidence, she might get out of jail. She will spend 15 to 20 years in jail if she cooperates with the State. The only way she ever gets out of jail is if she goes to trial and wins a not guilty verdict. Other than that she will be in jail and prison for a long time from now. The state can't let her go free, only that she spends less time in prison than a life sentence brings.

uh i don't recall seeing even one comment here that implied that if KM talks she walks free and does no time. the most optimistic (for KM) commenters here felt that if she is very lucky she MIGHT be able to agree to talk and negotiate a "sweetheart" deal similar to what LR received.
 
Some of the comments on this site seem to think that if KM talks , turns states evidence, she might get out of jail. She will spend 15 to 20 years in jail if she cooperates with the State. The only way she ever gets out of jail is if she goes to trial and wins a not guilty verdict. Other than that she will be in jail and prison for a long time from now. The state can't let her go free, only that she spends less time in prison than a life sentence brings.

Nobody here thinks that....
 
Some of the comments on this site seem to think that if KM talks , turns states evidence, she might get out of jail. She will spend 15 to 20 years in jail if she cooperates with the State. The only way she ever gets out of jail is if she goes to trial and wins a not guilty verdict. Other than that she will be in jail and prison for a long time from now. The state can't let her go free, only that she spends less time in prison than a life sentence brings.
I realize I’m in the minority, but a couple of months ago I posted that I think it’s possible KM could get probation as a plea deal for ratting on the A’s.

I was swayed by this Florida case:
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/apnews/stories/051701/D7C223H01.html
A woman has been sentenced to life in prison for paying $10,000 to have her former son-in-law killed because she was afraid he would move away and take her granddaughter with him. […]
She was accused of paying Antonio Alberto Perez to kill Ron Stovall, 30. […]
Perez' girlfriend, Kimberly Miller, 38, was placed on probation after pleading no contest to compounding a felony. She admitted she was the go-between who put Trexler in contact with Perez.


Here is the link to my prior post 11/30/2016:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...July-2014-4-*Arrests*&p=12969071#post12969071
 
Oh MY MY.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2017/02/06/magbanua-murder-trial-delayed/97545600/

"Garcia said he was propositioned by his girlfriend and mother of his two children, who had been asked by a woman named “Don Adelson” to kill someone for money, the inmate told investigators.
Garcia referred to the woman as “a mother-in-law or grandmother that wanted the man killed to get custody of two children,” records obtained by the Tallahassee Democrat say.
That inmate provided other details known to investigators. He told them Rivera was enlisted to drive but did not know he was involved in a murder, initially; Rivera and Garcia made two trips from Miami to Tallahassee and that the shooting happened in a garage; Rivera, Garcia and Magbanua split $100,000 and that Garcia was the shooter.
The other inmate, who was sentenced in January to six years in prison on drug and stolen property charges, spoke with Garcia on two separate occasions, he told investigators.
The first time was after Garcia learned Rivera had accepted a plea deal in October. Garcia was drinking “toilet wine” made in the jail, the inmate told investigators, and talked about Rivera supplying the gun and waiting in the car while he went to shoot Markel.
The inmate "went on to say he understood from Garcia that Magbanua brought the murder plot to Garcia, telling him her ex-boyfriend’s mother wanted the murder to happen and paid for it to be completed,” court records say."
 
IMO -

KM's bargaining and negotiating power will be greatly diminished after she is tried, convicted, and sentenced to Life or worse. The evidence against her is strong. Before conviction, she could negotiate a sweetheart deal. Her puppet amateur attorneys are doing her no favors if they advise her to go to trial.
 
Oh MY MY.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2017/02/06/magbanua-murder-trial-delayed/97545600/

"Garcia said he was propositioned by his girlfriend and mother of his two children, who had been asked by a woman named “Don Adelson” to kill someone for money, the inmate told investigators.
Garcia referred to the woman as “a mother-in-law or grandmother that wanted the man killed to get custody of two children,” records obtained by the Tallahassee Democrat say.
That inmate provided other details known to investigators. He told them Rivera was enlisted to drive but did not know he was involved in a murder, initially; Rivera and Garcia made two trips from Miami to Tallahassee and that the shooting happened in a garage; Rivera, Garcia and Magbanua split $100,000 and that Garcia was the shooter.
The other inmate, who was sentenced in January to six years in prison on drug and stolen property charges, spoke with Garcia on two separate occasions, he told investigators.
The first time was after Garcia learned Rivera had accepted a plea deal in October. Garcia was drinking “toilet wine” made in the jail, the inmate told investigators, and talked about Rivera supplying the gun and waiting in the car while he went to shoot Markel.
The inmate "went on to say he understood from Garcia that Magbanua brought the murder plot to Garcia, telling him her ex-boyfriend’s mother wanted the murder to happen and paid for it to be completed,” court records say."

This is great news. More ammo for the state. I'm sure the defense will try to discredit them but they sure seem to know a lot about the plot which to me makes them credible.
 
This is great news. More ammo for the state. I'm sure the defense will try to discredit them but they sure seem to know a lot about the plot which to me makes them credible.

SG is cooked the inmate was LE credible. He befriended SG. KM is surely gonna sing now.
 
SG is cooked the inmate was LE credible. He befriended SG. KM is surely gonna sing now.

i hope so but i still think KM's attorneys will push her to go to trial and she's naive enough to listen to them. they are getting their marching orders from elsewhere IMO.
 
i hope so but i still think KM's attorneys will push her to go to trial and she's naive enough to listen to them. they are getting their marching orders from elsewhere IMO.

Well, what about tomorrow or next week Ms. Kawass?

“What the state is seeking from her is information that she doesn’t have and is not true,” Kawass said. “She has maintained her innocence from day one and that’s where we stand today.”
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2017/02/06/magbanua-murder-trial-delayed/97545600/
 
Also, this article cites three new witnesses.
"Her lawyers say they needed more time to review disclosure of three new witnesses and months worth of FBI surveillance video and recordings."
http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Magbanuas-trial-for-Markel-murder-delayed-412902783.html

The Tallahassee Democrat addresses two against Garcia. http://www.tallahassee.com/story/new...ayed/97545600/


So the third? Discovery may suggest that the third is a woman and perhaps against Magbanua? I'm speculating it is, but of course can't say for sure it's the same woman, just found this through my sleuthing.

Jennifer Mosely, page 3. Booked in Leon County jail 10/27/16.
Right around the time Magbanua was arrested. Was she talking too? Hopefully, not over toilet wine.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Booking+Report+10-28-16.pdf

This might Jason McNair, page 3:
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Booking+Report+4-1-16.pdf


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So, SG told all to a fellow inmate, who promptly turned informant. He's not very bright, is he? I wonder whether it has occurred to him (and KG) yet that they're rotting in jail while the people who benefitted om their crime are free and enjoying their lives (apparently CA took his new girlfriend to a beach vacation in Cancuna few weeks ago).
 
Also, this article cites three new witnesses.
"Her lawyers say they needed more time to review disclosure of three new witnesses and months worth of FBI surveillance video and recordings."
http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Magbanuas-trial-for-Markel-murder-delayed-412902783.html

The Tallahassee Democrat addresses two against Garcia. http://www.tallahassee.com/story/new...ayed/97545600/


So the third? Discovery may suggest that the third is a woman and perhaps against Magbanua? I'm speculating it is, but of course can't say for sure it's the same woman, just found this through my sleuthing.

Jennifer Mosely, page 3. Booked in Leon County jail 10/27/16.
Right around the time Magbanua was arrested. Was she talking too? Hopefully, not over toilet wine.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Booking+Report+10-28-16.pdf

This might Jason McNair, page 3:
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Booking+Report+4-1-16.pdf


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Saam Zangeneh hasn't been SG's attorney since 9-13-16. his new attorney as of that date is Mutaqee Akbar.
 
So, SG told all to a fellow inmate, who promptly turned informant. He's not very bright, is he? I wonder whether it has occurred to him (and KG) yet that they're rotting in jail while the people who benefitted om their crime are free and enjoying their lives (apparently CA took his new girlfriend to a beach vacation in Cancuna few weeks ago).

We all need to write her and tell her all of this.
 
Saam Zangeneh hasn't been SG's attorney since 9-13-16. his new attorney as of that date is Mutaqee Akbar.

I remember reading and perhaps some past posts some time back, that with death penalty cases in Florida, the law mandates two lawyers and a mitigation specialist for a proper defense. My view is that Saam is still on the case, but needed to hire another lawyer and they got a local one.
 
SG is cooked the inmate was LE credible. He befriended SG. KM is surely gonna sing now.
But didn't she have that opportunity the other day
when the SA went to speak
with her and her attorneys?
By then the SA would have had those interviews of the inmates.

What is toilet wine? It sounds ghastly. Or is that just another way of saying SG is drinking the Kool Aid.

KM has to know the A' s are out "enjoying" the free life. And CA
was seeing this girl (JU) way before KM was arrested. (Unless he's on to a new one.)

Can't help but think his trips to Mexico are....suspect. Looking for a place to live....hiding money?

Maybe it's time to speak to SG. He seems to be the talkative one....

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But didn't she have that opportunity the other day
when the SA went to speak
with her and her attorneys?
By then the SA would have had those interviews of the inmates.

What is toilet wine? It sounds ghastly. Or is that just another way of saying SG is drinking the Kool Aid.

KM has to know the A' s are out "enjoying" the free life. And CA
was seeing this girl (JU) way before KM was arrested. (Unless he's on to a new one.)

Can't help but think his trips to Mexico are....suspect. Looking for a place to live....hiding money?

Maybe it's time to speak to SG. He seems to be the talkative one....

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I would assume toilet wine is "hooch" made out of ingredients found in the prison (i.e. water and fermented fruit, etc.). There are ways to make alcoholic beverages, although I'm sure they taste like ****. (Disclaimer, I've never been in jail but I have watched documentaries ;) )
 
Looks like not much happened at SG's case management conference today. Next hearing April 3.

[video=twitter;828990068647923718]https://twitter.com/JulieMontanaroW/status/828990068647923718[/video]

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Its getting hot!!!



Looks like not much happened at SG's case management conference today. Next hearing April 3.

[video=twitter;828990068647923718]https://twitter.com/JulieMontanaroW/status/828990068647923718[/video]

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Hello everybody,

First post here at WS, and it's gonna be a long one. First off I'd like to say nice to work to the WS administrators and to all the posters, and thank you. It was a pleasant surprise to find this forum and this thread. I have no personal connection to the DM case, but I am a criminal lawyer and have been quite captivated by this case since first learning about it, and stumbled upon this thread one day while looking for updates.

What drove me to finally register an account was the amount of commenting I see on the possible motivations of KM's lawyers, as well as some other comments here and there regarding various aspects of the legal process, that have made me want to jump in and gently correct some things. At the very least, adding my $.02 from my professional background might be constructive. Looking back through the thread it looks like some other lawyers have jumped in as well, so a big thank you to them for contributing to the discussion.

I'll preface this by saying that nothing I say is intended to be disrespectful or condescending. I do not expect non-lawyers to know these things, and so the nature and scope of the speculation on here is understandable and does not reflect poorly on anyone. But I do think there is some irony in the fact that many have mocked the A's lawyers for putting out their statement re "fanciful fiction," when much of the subsequent speculation here on WS about what is happening behind the scenes in this case is, in all likelihood, fanciful fiction of its own.

I really disagree with the suggestion that KMs lawyers are knowingly, or unknowingly, working as pawns for the still-unindicted alleged co-conspirators and their respective attorneys. I suppose I can't guarantee 100% that this isn't happening, but what I will say is that you cannot understate what a monumental ethical violation it would be for all lawyers involved. Some of the facts that many here find suspect, such as that the lawyers share the same address, mean nothing to me. First, it is very common that law offices are concentrated in certain areas of cities, so the chance of different lawyers working in the same building ending up on the same case is heightened to begin with. And even if there is a direct referral, the connection ends there and nothing should be read into that without further evidence. For example, I have gotten/given referrals from/to other attorneys for co-defendants on conspiracy cases, and as the case develops it turns out that the defendants have defenses that are "mutually antagonistic," i.e. one defendant points the finger at another, or at least minimizes his own conduct at the expense of another defendant. When that happens, there are no hard feelings between the attorneys, regardless of the original professional relationship that gave rise to the referral.

Same thing goes as to the source of funds. First, most lawyers will accept payment only directly from the client even if they have reason to know someone else is paying, and in their engagement agreement they make the client acknowledge that the lawyer's duty is to the client regardless of anyone else who may be helping pay the fees. I even have in my agreements that I won't communicate with anyone else but the client regarding the case, unless the client gives consent AND I determine there are no ethical issues with such communication. Translation: Mom pays for me to help little Johnny with his DUI - I'll probably end up talking to Mom about the case if little Johnny consents; mid-level drug trafficker suddenly has the cash to pay full retainer - I have no need to talk to anybody else. It could very well be true that the A's got KM a referral and helped pay for her legal fees. But under normal circumstances that would do absolutely nothing toward ensuring that KM and her attorneys conduct themselves to the A's liking, and KM's attorneys could conceivably accept the payment and still conduct themselves ethically and in the best interests of KM.

Nothing about the way KM's lawyers have handled the case so far suggests anything otherwise. Their aggressive stance and adamant maintaining of innocence is all par for the course. It doesn't indicate that they are foolish, or being controlled by other parties and their lawyers to their own client's detriment, or that they won't change their tune and take a plea at a moment's notice if the circumstances are right.

There have been some other posts here and there that have given me pause and made me somewhat concerned, just in general about the level of understanding of the legal process. For example, there was a post a while back in the thread where a poster suggested that prosecutor GC could surprise visit KM personally in jail without her lawyers present to get her to see the light. This is the type of thing that you might see in a legal movie or tv show, and if you did it would be highly unrealistic and cause anyone with any background in the legal profession to roll their eyes. It would simply never happen in real life, and would be a great way for GC to completely ruin her case. In fact, it is so out of the question that it wouldn't have even crossed GC's mind.

Also, really disagree with whoever suggested writing to KM in jail, and all those who jumped in afterward saying it's a good idea. It's a bad idea, or at the very least something that won't help anything, so don't do it.

Thanks to whomever put up with the long post. Again, I'm really fascinated by the DM case, and anxious to see how it plays out. I'll be checking this thread and I hope I can contribute meaningfully to the discussion.
 
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