FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 #4

[No it's not]

A previous poster wondered if there could be a connection between the brutal and ruthless hammer attacks of three (3) family members in northern FL, to the ones down here. One of the brothers worked for Homeland Security. (ICE falls under Homeland Security.) Could that brother have come down here to translate/investigate the hammer attacks, in this area? Was he fluent in Creole?

Any angle or connection to the brother's involvement with Department of Homeland Security while working at the NASP, has been cleared by NCIS. I doubt RS (victim) would have come to Florida to assist in an official murder investigation without their knowledge and approval.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sheriff-ritualistic-florida-triple-murder-may-be-linked-to-blue-moon/

-Nin

 

[creepingskills]

TTF14, I do have a theory that is constructed mostly from speculation and involves a member of her family. It is my understanding that we are not to post things unless based on fact, and that we are not to comment about the family, so I will leave it at that

Thank you for joining the discussion! I'm curious whether you noticed the dogs (or anyone) in the yard while the family was away, and if the dogs were typical barkers or more quiet.

 

[PapillonLove]

Thank you for joining the discussion! I'm curious whether you noticed the dogs (or anyone) in the yard while the family was away, and if the dogs were typical barkers or more quiet.

I did not notice their dogs, or anyone, in the yard while they were away...to be honest I don't recall seeing or hearing the dogs in the yard with any regularity - may be that they were the types to take the dogs on walks rather than let them in the yard. I on the other hand have 2 small dogs (including a papillon, hence the name ) and they go out 10-15 times a day, so we spend quite a bit of time in the backyard with them.

Their dogs are typically quiet from what I've observed.

 

[No it's not]

Perhaps you are right. However LE could have arrested the perp(s) on any day since the homicide on a probation violation, etc. if LE was concerned they may flee. That too would explain the silence.

The only thing that would explain the silence is they either know, who did it and need to prove it or they do not have a clue. I highly doubt the latter. Not once did the LCSO approach the public and officially asked for help. Not once did we hear from family-members either asking for assistance.

Regarding the perpetrator sitting in custody for a possible probation violation while we speak, if you look at all the initial charges, they don't come close to the violence in Dr Sievers' case. They are no hit-men and women. They made their own "carrier" choices and are paying for it.

Dr Sievers was attacked with an incredible amount of rage. To be able to release that kind of criminal energy, that kind of violence, that's what we are looking for in the "unknown subject", or "unsub", in the Sievers case.
This individual ( possible more than one) was not only capable and so far organized to gain access to an otherwise electronically secured building in a neighborhood, where people's homes are so closed by, but he was also able to escape seemingly unseen and without a trace. Let's even forget for a moment, that the dogs were not barking and that the straight claw hammer or any hammer would not create that door damage, and that therefore the tool to pry open the side door was a different tool than what DR Sievers had been killed with ( if the "hammer" was indeed the MW).

Anyone with a sound mind would feel nauseous just thinking about a crime like that, and he/she was able to perhaps even stage the crime scene (or not) and leave without vomiting allover the streets, just to step back into every day's life?

This individual may not have a solid record, but there ought to be instances of reported (domestic)violence, disputes or drugs. This individual was not just a burglar and forgot to run away after possibly being recognized by Dr Sievers. This individual either came to help someone getting out of the house, or all is staged and Dr Sievers' death resulted due to an argument getting out of hand.

I know what the suspicions are, but at this time I simply cannot cross that line out of respect for family and the children.

-Nin

 

[kammiemc]

R....R.....R......

Rednecks? Roofies? Rifles? Robbery? Rastafarians?????

Revenge?


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[indianwin2001]

The lighting situation at night Jarvis Rd/Allen St/ East Terry:

There is a high street light between the Sievers house and the next door neighbor to the South. The light is somewhat dimmed, but it lightens up the area fairly well.

Also, there are street lanterns all along East Terry, the street leading to the dog-park. Everything lightens up well.

The parallel street (Allen), which is located East of Jarvis Rd, also has some street lanterns positioned now and then down that road. However, the property ( lady who heard the shrill) bordering the backyard of the Sievers house is completely dark. The fence surrounding that particular property is only about 2-3 feet tall. Lots of trees and bushes, an easy way to approach the Sievers house from the East( backyard) side.

Trying to provide you with the lighting situation at night.

Also, the spotlights outside the Sievers home are staying on day and night. The house is dimmed lit inside, the broken-in side door has been replaced ( new white door, not brown to the outside), signs of repair/remodel (trashcan). The house seems unoccupied.

You know, never thought before, that a house could look sad. Well, this one does..

-Nin

Nin--You brought back memories to me from 45 years ago. I lived near the John List house in New Jersey and ,as kids, we used to drive by that house,which was a huge dark mansion, and I remember thinking how sad that house looked. I haven't thought about that for a looong time until I read your post.

 

[indianwin2001]

R....R.....R......

Rednecks? Roofies? Rifles? Robbery? Rastafarians?????

r**f ?--:happydance:-sorry--

 

[mckazpm]

r**f ?--:happydance:-sorry--

ding ding ding!!!!

 

[mckazpm]

I did not notice their dogs, or anyone, in the yard while they were away...to be honest I don't recall seeing or hearing the dogs in the yard with any regularity - may be that they were the types to take the dogs on walks rather than let them in the yard. I on the other hand have 2 small dogs (including a papillon, hence the name ) and they go out 10-15 times a day, so we spend quite a bit of time in the backyard with them.

Their dogs are typically quiet from what I've observed.

Who's to say these dogs were not boarded or with a dogsitter and TS had not picked them up yet. My guess is the dogs were not back coming home until someone was going to be there regularly. Detectives would still need to rule out the owners' pet hair versus any other DNA that was being analysed from the crime scene. It was common to see TS on Jarvis walking the dog (s). Wasn't necessarily toward the dog park either.

 

[mckazpm]

The only thing that would explain the silence is they either know, who did it and need to prove it or they do not have a clue. I highly doubt the latter. Not once did the LCSO approach the public and officially asked for help. Not once did we hear from family-members either asking for assistance.

Regarding the perpetrator sitting in custody for a possible probation violation while we speak, if you look at all the initial charges, they don't come close to the violence in Dr Sievers' case. They are no hit-men and women. They made their own "carrier" choices and are paying for it.

Dr Sievers was attacked with an incredible amount of rage. To be able to release that kind of criminal energy, that kind of violence, that's what we are looking for in the "unknown subject", or "unsub", in the Sievers case.
This individual ( possible more than one) was not only capable and so far organized to gain access to an otherwise electronically secured building in a neighborhood, where people's homes are so closed by, but he was also able to escape seemingly unseen and without a trace. Let's even forget for a moment, that the dogs were not barking and that the straight claw hammer or any hammer would not create that door damage, and that therefore the tool to pry open the side door was a different tool than what DR Sievers had been killed with ( if the "hammer" was indeed the MW).

Anyone with a sound mind would feel nauseous just thinking about a crime like that, and he/she was able to perhaps even stage the crime scene (or not) and leave without vomiting allover the streets, just to step back into every day's life?

This individual may not have a solid record, but there ought to be instances of reported (domestic)violence, disputes or drugs. This individual was not just a burglar and forgot to run away after possibly being recognized by Dr Sievers. This individual either came to help someone getting out of the house, or all is staged and Dr Sievers' death resulted due to an argument getting out of hand.

I know what the suspicions are, but at this time I simply cannot cross that line out of respect for family and the children.

-Nin

Totally agree with you NIN. I go from thinking one way and then shift to another and then another. Your comments really take all of the little fragments of information and bring the reality of it all home. Who is capable of doing something so horrific to someone. Not just anyone. Your description is vivid and very clear. Geez, wish they'd finally release something!

 

[concernedmother]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means,_motive,_and_opportunity
In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can be determined in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant committed the crime (motive), and whether the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity). Opportunity is most often disproved by use of an alibi, which can prove the accused was not able to commit the crime as he or she did not have the correct set of circumstances to commit the crime as it occurred. Motive is not an element of many crimes, but proving motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proved for a conviction.


Someone had a motive to want her dead. If the hammer was the murder weapon they had the means. In some directions I go I struggle with opportunity. There was plenty of opportunity that night in all other scenarios though.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means,_motive,_and_opportunity

Someone had a motive to want her dead.

Motive in this case must be related to TS speaking the truth, and the perp not liking it. There are so many scenarios we could imagine...personal/relational, business connections, patients, companies TS represented, potential testimony in a civil/criminal matter, connections through the home for unwed mothers, and the list goes on. Seems like they knew from day 1 who perpetrated this crime. If true, that means there was very possibly a known threat. It was previously brought out by Nin that the cameras were apparently just installed this year.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

Anyone with a sound mind would feel nauseous just thinking about a crime like that, and he/she was able to perhaps even stage the crime scene (or not) and leave without vomiting allover the streets, just to step back into every day's life?

-Nin

Nin, do you agree that someone besides the perpetrator must have seen something? As you pointed out, how could he commit a crime like this and then just step back into his ordinary life completely inconspicuously. Someone must have noticed something out of the ordinary, possibly cuts or wounds sustained during commission of the crime, odd behavior afterward, etc,

 

[audreyparker]

Nin--You brought back memories to me from 45 years ago. I lived near the John List house in New Jersey and ,as kids, we used to drive by that house,which was a huge dark mansion, and I remember thinking how sad that house looked. I haven't thought about that for a looong time until I read your post.

I was just reading about the list case again recently. That one has always fascinated me, especially since it put Americas most wanted on the map. That bust they created looked exactly like John List when he was arrested. I've always thought a neighbor or neighbors burned that house down. Did you ever hear anything about who the neighborhood thought burned it down?

 

[indianwin2001]

I was just reading about the list case again recently. That one has always fascinated me, especially since it put Americas most wanted on the map. That bust they created looked exactly like John List when he was arrested. I've always thought a neighbor or neighbors burned that house down. Did you ever hear anything about who the neighborhood thought burned it down?

Yes actually I am pretty sure kids from the neighborhood burned it down. It sat vacant for a couple of years and was kind of a "tourist attraction" and I know the "locals" were getting tired of kids and adults driving by,slowing down and "oogling" the place. That house was creepy looking and I can still see the image of it in my mind.

 

[creepingskills]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means,_motive,_and_opportunity
In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can be determined in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant committed the crime (motive), and whether the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity). Opportunity is most often disproved by use of an alibi, which can prove the accused was not able to commit the crime as he or she did not have the correct set of circumstances to commit the crime as it occurred. Motive is not an element of many crimes, but proving motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proved for a conviction.


Someone had a motive to want her dead. If the hammer was the murder weapon they had the means. In some directions I go I struggle with opportunity. There was plenty of opportunity that night in all other scenarios though.

Thought provoking post!

I tend to think that if she was murdered in the kitchen (unverified report) then the unsub is just as likely to have brought the hammer to the scene, than he is to have picked up the murder weapon in the garage on the way in the house. A hammer would fit in my purse unsuspiciously, its not complicated to use and generic. Also, it would be useful for staging purposes; a hammer points toward the 'surprised burglar' narrative.

I hate to keep drawing comparisons to other brutal crimes, but it helps me to keep perspective with all the moving parts here. With the Jodi Arias case, opportunity was easily determined due to her disprovable alibi but motive? WHY, and HOW could someone be capable of such violence? Jealousy, rage, anger is the simple answer, yet when premeditation and planning is involved in a violent, personal murder, there is something else at play. Something else, some other factor that makes the murder believe that the act of killing their victim will alleviate an internal or external conflict, its worth all the risk to achieve some unknown benefit. How did this conflict arise in this case? People close to the victim or perp must know.

(ALL IMO) In JA's case, there was an internal conflict, rejection. No one knew the depths of this conflict until she killed Travis, no one would expect she would or could brutally murder him. She didn't seem capable of murder until after the act, which is why she was able to get into his house that fateful night with Plan A and Plan B. If he was not willing to go along with the game plan, with whatever she wanted, Plan B would be implemented. Cognitive dissonance as self preservation, i.e. the murder isn't making the choice, the victim forced their hand. If the staging of the PED garage door is true, I think something similar went down which is how the unsub got into the home- a friendly face who just absolutely had to talk to Dr. Sievers the night she returned to FL. Someone pushy, who didn't respect boundaries and took advantage of the victim's kind heart.

 

[cluciano63]

Am not getting the "speaking the truth" thing. Truth about what?

I still think this was either far more personal/romantic i.e or completely random. But jmo. Just not seeing a credible (to me) angle about her work, her beliefs, practices, etc.

Jmo, either this was a home invasion or was meant to appear as one. Someone with a business-type grudge, Imo, would probably not have come to her home, known she was alone, etc.

Jmo

 

[No it's not]

Nin--You brought back memories to me from 45 years ago. I lived near the John List house in New Jersey and ,as kids, we used to drive by that house,which was a huge dark mansion, and I remember thinking how sad that house looked. I haven't thought about that for a looong time until I read your post.

Now that is a scary memory! Coincidence that you mentioned it though : John List was eventually captured, after on of my favorite people on the planet, Richard Walter (criminal profiler) created a psychological profile of List, then his friend, the most talented Frank Bender, made an aged bust based on Richard's ideas, and thereafter the result was aired at Amerika's Most Wanted, one of the greatest shows ( they caught over 1200 perps!). They caught List the next day! John Walsh is truly a hero. Great sig

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Nin, do you agree that someone besides the perpetrator must have seen something? As you pointed out, how could he commit a crime like this and then just step back into his ordinary life completely inconspicuously. Someone must have noticed something out of the ordinary, possibly cuts or wounds sustained during commission of the crime, odd behavior afterward, etc,

It is very possible, that someone not only noticed something, but was actually involved either directly (accomplice) or indirectly by helping the perpetrator out of a precarious situation, which then again would make the second person an accomplice.

As you pointed out, cuts, wounds, odd behavior, extra laundry, bleach, missing tool(s), possibly higher alcohol consume and even drugs, this all would get noticed in some way or another. Missing work or being late on the next day (Tuesday, June 30th), driving around and doing odd jobs to see if someone is following, all of a sudden bad sleeping habits, sudden vacation, even anger ( "it was her fault" ) , depressive mood, paranoia or paranoiac behavior, are additional signs and would be noticed by family-members, co workers, friends and - neighbors.

I can see how the perpetrator is being angry and blaming the victim ( "she made me do it", "she got into someone's business"), while everyone else is completely empathetic with the victim and the family. That can very well stand out on its own.

-Nin

 

[Riversinthedesert]

Am not getting the "speaking the truth" thing. Truth about what?

I still think this was either far more personal/romantic i.e or completely random. But jmo. Just not seeing a credible (to me) angle about her work, her beliefs, practices, etc.

Jmo, either this was a home invasion or was meant to appear as one. Someone with a business-type grudge, Imo, would probably not have come to her home, known she was alone, etc.

Jmo

The comments about TS speaking the truth were made by her sister in an interview in the context of her thoughts with regard to who could have done it. She said she could not comment on who did it but that Teresa spoke the truth and not everyone likes the truth (paraphrase). More than one person who knows TS has commented that she was a person who spoke the truth, she was a fighter, passionate about her work. I get the feeling she was a very strong person and fought for causes she believed in. We are left to speculate as to what "the truth" was that could have been a motive in this case. Thankfully, the truth shall be revealed eventually.