FL - Dr Teresa Sievers, 46, murdered in home, Bonita Springs, June 2015 *ARRESTS* #8

[LvsAMystry]

Riversinthedesert, Even if there was a rehab for Websleuths addicts, THIS WOULD NOT BE THE WEEK TO GO COLD TURKEY! So many brilliant sleuthers have provided a lot of the "puzzle pieces" that were missing....until our exceptionally intuitive NIN (love ya' kiddo) finally put them together. <modsnip>

I mentioned Ryan Gosling (upthread) because I saw a film called FRACTURE. Gosling, the young prosecutor had to figure out how Anthony Hopkins, the calculating "cuckold" (as in the husband of an adulterous wife) could be successfully prosecuted.
Could MS BE RESPONSIBLE for the death of his spouse? BUT, he was in Connecticut. What if the husband used someone's (CWW's?) identity, flies to Florida, gets to the house shortly before/or after wife, turns off the alarm, dogs won't bark because they know him, turns the camera on the side of the house, lets in the killer, (be sure to check under her fingernails because I am sure she put up a fight.... is that wishful thinking, eyewitness or knowledge of attack?) gets back on the plane to Connecticut, again using bro's identity.
He told the family in Connecticut good night, then adds, "I'll meet you for a late lunch on Monday."
I know that is a pretty tight timeline, but a determined person could do it. We once got bumped from an international flight, jumped on a flight to another airport 800 miles north, and then caught another plane to our final destination. After all of that, we only arrived 45 minutes later than the rest of our group. They were so shocked to see us checking into the hotel right behind them!
I still have questions, "What about the phone calls, the towers,?? etc...." I'm not sure if cell phone towers can detect whether the user was using a call forwarding feature? Or if "acting hysterical on the phone, a man's voice is entirely recognizable? Maybe the person who called MS's phone thought the "hysterical voice was MS's"?? Since the call was not recorded by 911, who would ever know?
I've been thinking about this soooo long, making charts, arrows, initials, motives, egregiously odd info on JR's facebook.... "hammer" I mean reeeaallly?? Good grief, what if his nickname was "Crowbar", "Tire Iron" or "Wrench"....wouldn't you still think that was an egregiously odd coincidence?
Was all of this supposed to fall solely on JR, the well-worn recliner, smiling crotch-shot, fatherless malcontent, who never missed a day of work, befriended by a couple of middle-aged schemers, twice his age? Yep...used, abused & screwed....all for the promise of a quick buck?
Ugh, it is so hard to write all of this, knowing my ideas will be scrutinized by some really sharp sleuthers:truce:.....but that is how theories are built. Asking the "what if's" and then piecing together the limited information available to us. Buh-bye IQuestion

Interesting idea for sure, but I also think it's a virtual certainty that LE has checked and rechecked the flight manifests in and out of all these areas by now. Even if playing switcheroo it would've been figured out and the connection verified with MS inside the concrete by now also. JMO anyway

 

[kammiemc]

Riversinthedesert, Even if there was a rehab for Websleuths addicts, THIS WOULD NOT BE THE WEEK TO GO COLD TURKEY! So many brilliant sleuthers have provided a lot of the "puzzle pieces" that were missing....until our exceptionally intuitive NIN (love ya' kiddo) finally put them together. <modsnip>

I mentioned Ryan Gosling (upthread) because I saw a film called FRACTURE. Gosling, the young prosecutor had to figure out how Anthony Hopkins, the calculating "cuckold" (as in the husband of an adulterous wife) could be successfully prosecuted.
Could MS BE RESPONSIBLE for the death of his spouse? BUT, he was in Connecticut. What if the husband used someone's (CWW's?) identity, flies to Florida, gets to the house shortly before/or after wife, turns off the alarm, dogs won't bark because they know him, turns the camera on the side of the house, lets in the killer, (be sure to check under her fingernails because I am sure she put up a fight.... is that wishful thinking, eyewitness or knowledge of attack?) gets back on the plane to Connecticut, again using bro's identity.
He told the family in Connecticut good night, then adds, "I'll meet you for a late lunch on Monday."
I know that is a pretty tight timeline, but a determined person could do it. We once got bumped from an international flight, jumped on a flight to another airport 800 miles north, and then caught another plane to our final destination. After all of that, we only arrived 45 minutes later than the rest of our group. They were so shocked to see us checking into the hotel right behind them!
I still have questions, "What about the phone calls, the towers,?? etc...." I'm not sure if cell phone towers can detect whether the user was using a call forwarding feature? Or if "acting hysterical on the phone, a man's voice is entirely recognizable? Maybe the person who called MS's phone thought the "hysterical voice was MS's"?? Since the call was not recorded by 911, who would ever know?
I've been thinking about this soooo long, making charts, arrows, initials, motives, egregiously odd info on JR's facebook.... "hammer" I mean reeeaallly?? Good grief, what if his nickname was "Crowbar", "Tire Iron" or "Wrench"....wouldn't you still think that was an egregiously odd coincidence?
Was all of this supposed to fall solely on JR, the well-worn recliner, smiling crotch-shot, fatherless malcontent, who never missed a day of work, befriended by a couple of middle-aged schemers, twice his age? Yep...used, abused & screwed....all for the promise of a quick buck?
Ugh, it is so hard to write all of this, knowing my ideas will be scrutinized by some really sharp sleuthers:truce:.....but that is how theories are built. Asking the "what if's" and then piecing together the limited information available to us. Buh-bye IQuestion

The setting up of CWW is interesting. I had not thought about that. Also, the setting up of JR by the two older guys is interesting. Not sure how they would think LE wouldn't connect them since they have connections all over FB, or how they would have made it look like JR had a motive to kill TS that doesn't involve the two men....but...?

What I am not getting is why MS would have flown home to let in JR. Even if he could have worked it out by switching with CWW, why? Why not just give JR a key and a code? It seems the timing of this crime was based on being able to give MS an alibi. Why would he want to mess with that. I think I may be missing something. What would MS's motivation be to attend the murder himself?


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[PandaJ]

Yes. Sherriff Scott verified this on NG last night.

There were a lot of things said on NG last night, imo, that swayed me from being on the fence in regards to MS' guilt, to definitely leaning over that way.

1) The Sheriff confirming that both JR and CWW were at the Wal-Mart prior to her murder, purchasing something related to TS' murder. This basically confirms, imo, that this was premeditated. So all the theories about TS having interrupted a burglary or something like that, are now off the table, at least in my mind. They went there specifically to murder her, which means they MUST have known that she would be the only one returning home that night.

2) The Sheriff said that MS is in an "envelope of suspicion" or something along those lines, in my mind basically confirming that MS has not been eliminated as a suspect yet.

3) The Sheriff said they are aware of more ties between JR and MS.

4) According to JR's boss, who was also on NG last night, JR told him he had gone to Florida to see his brother he hadn't seen in awhile and who just graduated law school. MS had law school aspirations. Coincidence that he would think of that as his cover story? Also, remember CWW and MS referred to themselves as brothers on FB. Did they all call each other "brothers?"

I don't know and I can't say with 100% certainty that he's guilty in this, and I'm still holding out hope that he isn't, but the Sheriff didn't do him any favors last night whatsoever.

jmo

 

[Stopwatch]

It was posted in February of 2015.

Just noticed it says the presentation was in October of 2014. So if she had the realization that the relationship was not worth clinging to, and informed MS around that time, I can see it taking some months of planning between MS and CWW about what to do. Again, just speculation. I first watched the video right after the murder, and that immediately jumped out at me, but I was trying to keep an open mind.

 

[BlueShoe]

I continue to think there was a reason for MS and CWW to try to resemble each other. It may have nothing to do with the murder though (although that seems likely). Perhaps it was part of a totally different scheme. I have a sense that the time that they looked most alike was around the time of CWW's wedding. I can't really think of a reason for that. Of course, it is also possible the look-alike scheme was totally innocent. For instance, maybe MS was best man at the wedding and wanted to look just like his "brother" for that occasion. What is really lacking for me in this case is a reasonable motive for such a brutal killing, but there have been other strange cases without such a motive. It does seem like the work of a very angry person, unless the murder was drug-fueled.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

I'm sure LE has evidence that can tie him into participating in the murder. They know he was in the Walmart and they must have other evidence because if they didn't,they wouldn't have arrested him..---probable cause

Yes, in fact Sheriff said they had strong suspicions early on but in order to arrest, they must have probable cause. Hence the length of time between the crime and arrests.

 

[Stopwatch]

I continue to think there was a reason for MS and CWW to try to resemble each other. It may have nothing to do with the murder though (although that seems likely). Perhaps it was part of a totally different scheme. I have a sense that the time that they looked most alike was around the time of CWW's wedding. I can't really think of a reason for that. Of course, it is also possible the look-alike scheme was totally innocent. For instance, maybe MS was best man at the wedding and wanted to look just like his "brother" for that occasion. What is really lacking for me in this case is a reasonable motive for such a brutal killing, but there have been other strange cases without such a motive. It does seem like the work of a very angry person, unless the murder was drug-fueled.

If MS was angry because he feared losing TS, I can see how he would rationalize it: In his mind, he gave up his chance at a legal career to back her. He dedicated his life to her and the children. He made her what she was and was the mastermind behind her successful career. He was the business brains behind it all.

I have wondered about the home-schooling. Are the schools there bad? Why not private school if they could afford it? People home-school for a variety of reasons. In his case, if he is a controlling person, it could have been more about control than about ideology. It wouldn't be the first time a controlling person decided to murder their spouse rather than letting them leave.

 

[No it's not]

I this video I posted earlier - marker 0.32 - Sheriff Scott is confirming "both" were "there":

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/fox4now...pects-revealed-on-social-media-324268051.html

-Nin

 

[atthelake]

There were a lot of things said on NG last night, imo, that swayed me from being on the fence in regards to MS' guilt, to definitely leaning over that way.

1) The Sheriff confirming that both JR and CWW were at the Wal-Mart prior to her murder, purchasing something related to TS' murder. This basically confirms, imo, that this was premeditated. So all the theories about TS having interrupted a burglary or something like that, are now off the table, at least in my mind. They went there specifically to murder her, which means they MUST have known that she would be the only one returning home that night.

2) The Sheriff said that MS is in an "envelope of suspicion" or something along those lines, in my mind basically confirming that MS has not been eliminated as a suspect yet.

3) The Sheriff said they are aware of more ties between JR and MS.

4) According to JR's boss, who was also on NG last night, JR told him he had gone to Florida to see his brother he hadn't seen in awhile and who just graduated law school. <snip>

jmo

It is said that when pressers are done that they often are there speaking to the suspects specifically .

I wonder if Mark gave JR the money in an envelope, and the envelope was found with his fingerprints and or DNA on that envelope. He kept everything else why not the envelope that the money was in?

Such good timing Skinner told us about the law school stuff right before that information broke

 

[Emi]

In a few minutes I will post the last 2 transcripts from Nancy Grace with Sheriff Mike Scott

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[Kip]

I think mark found some young needy female in Missouri and he was elated with the idea of being the man in charge.

Did he take the family to Missouri or did he use to go solo? Was that his playing field and the origin place of the plot.

Was he telling a needy female that he would be hers soon?

I think he wanted someone that didn't have the means to do anything without him and that would put up with his nonsense. Jmo

I've been thinking along those lines as well - a Christopher Coleman type scenario where MS is in a relationship with another woman and is telling here that he and TS are getting divorced. Other woman gives ultimatum which leads to the need to either divorce (putting MS in a less desirable financial situation) or otherwise getting rid of TS.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm new to WS and was wondering if someone could clarify why everyone says TS came back from her trip early when she had appointments lined up for the next morning. Thanks.

I see what you are saying here. She didn't come back early, she just came back earlier than her husband and children.

 

[Kip]

I can't stop thinking about TS's daughters. It would be hard enough to tell children that their mother has been murdered, but I can imagine how I would tell a child that. By the time a child's 5 or so, most are aware that there are "bad guys," and you could explain that a bad person killed Mommy, but the police will catch them and put them in jail, and that they are safe, etc., etc.

But how do you tell a child that one parent killed another? I have no idea how to do that.

 

[PandaJ]

It is said that when pressers are done that they often are there speaking to the suspects specifically .

I wonder if Mark gave JR the money in an envelope, and the envelope was found with his fingerprints and or DNA on that envelope. He kept everything else why not the envelope that the money was in?

Such good timing Skinner told us about the law school stuff right before that information broke

Very well could be! And as soon as I heard the words "law school" yesterday my heart just sank. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but what another coincidence, huh?

jmo

 

[east2west]

I can't stop thinking about TS's daughters. It would be hard enough to tell children that their mother has been murdered, but I can imagine how I would tell a child that. By the time a child's 5 or so, most are aware that there are "bad guys," and you could explain that a bad person killed Mommy, but the police will catch them and put them in jail, and that they are safe, etc., etc.

But how do you tell a child that one parent killed another? I have no idea how to do that.

Wendi Andriano should be able to answer that question. She murdered her husband because he wasn't dying fast enough from his terminal cancer. They had two children. Marissa DeVault is another example, she used a claw hammer to murder her husband. They had children also. Its mind boggling. Its depravity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Andriano

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I understand why some people - legitimate career professionals, family members, whatever the "category" may be - elect not to become "verified." You give up some of your personal information and in this day and age, many people (especially professionals in certain fields) specifically want to remain anonymous. It doesn't matter on what website.

As always, a reader can elect not to take the non-verified posters' word...but I think one can tell when one seems to know insider info or has experience in what they are posting.

I enjoy reading Dream's posts as they are....

 

[fancyfree]

I can't stop thinking about TS's daughters. It would be hard enough to tell children that their mother has been murdered, but I can imagine how I would tell a child that. By the time a child's 5 or so, most are aware that there are "bad guys," and you could explain that a bad person killed Mommy, but the police will catch them and put them in jail, and that they are safe, etc., etc.

But how do you tell a child that one parent killed another? I have no idea how to do that.

I doubt TS' daughters will ever feel safe again. Just hoping, for their sake, that MS is not involved.

 

[wondering25]

I dont know if MS was angry that he would lose TS.. As i said, (my latest theory is) both MS and TS had the same lover. Each of them did not initially know about the other being with that person. The person made a decision..( i want you, TS or I want you MS). Either way, TS had to go in MS' mind. Look carefully at the cast of characters.. there may be a transgender in the mix yet..I am not completely sure about that part.. but having the same lover sure would be the stuff of a good true crime mystery. JMO
If i am wrong, i am going to write the book anyway.. hahaha

MOO i have an active imagination!

 

[east2west]

I dont know if MS was angry that he would lose TS.. As i said, (my latest theory is) both MS and TS had the same lover. Each of them did not initially know about the other being with that person. The person made a decision..( i want you, TS or I want you MS). Either way, TS had to go in MS' mind. Look carefully at the cast of characters.. there may be a transgender in the mix yet..I am not completely sure about that part.. but having the same lover sure would be the stuff of a good true crime mystery. JMO
If i am wrong, i am going to write the book anyway.. hahaha

MOO i have an active imagination!

Interesting. Worth a ponder.

 

[kammiemc]

I've been thinking along those lines as well - a Christopher Coleman type scenario where MS is in a relationship with another woman and is telling here that he and TS are getting divorced. Other woman gives ultimatum which leads to the need to either divorce (putting MS in a less desirable financial situation) or otherwise getting rid of TS.

Divorce is a huge financial debacle for both parties. He would have to pay for another residence to live--probably downscaling substantially. She would likely have to pay alimony/child support (although I don't know how much he "earned" in his position). I can ask my best friend who is a divorce atty. He'd be looking at shared or limited custody of his kids. Also, his social cred would go down substantially. SHE is the one people loved. There is no social outpouring of what a wonderful couple they were. There is an outpouring of love for HER. He was good by association. Also, he couldn't continue earning from the practice and he no medical cred to start his own practice. He'd be back to square one, the guy who worked at the casino, now in a apt or townhouse, and very little money.

From his POV, he could keep his social cred, add to that much empathy, keep the practice going and the money coming, AND pick up multiple life insurance payments. AND entertain new ideas of romance with women (maybe in MO, maybe in FL, maybe in both). But he did this at the cost of TS's life and the cost of taking away his children's mother.
I knew a guy who bailed on his family--faked his own disappearance. We were shocked he could do such a thing. Could have never guessed. But, ya know what, at least he didn't Kill his wife. I'm sure it crossed his mind.