FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

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Are we pursuing the Star Wars connection for some reason? I don't think it shows a connection or anything...
 
Tawny said:
Are we pursuing the Star Wars connection for some reason? I don't think it shows a connection or anything...
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It came up in relation to the shirt!!

New witness

[video=youtube;1UPeG1vVqJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UPeG1vVqJc[/video]
 
CARIIS said:
It came up in relation to the shirt!!
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I know. I just think it's worthless to somehow tie anything together with a Star Wars t-shirt lol.

I also don't think he chose the shirt for any reason more sinister than it was clean.
 
oceanblueeyes said:
From the article I linked it seems during his evaluation he was not deemed mentally ill.

US Attorney Karen Loeffler said Santiago would have been able to legally possess a gun because he had not been judged mentally ill, which is a higher standard than having an evaluation.

So if he was being treated recently by the other doctors they must not have declared him mentally ill either. .
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It was my understanding that he was under a " Baker Act" type 72-hour hold in Alaska. ( that is the name of it in Florida I don't know what other states call it) .

Iirc, They cannot hold someone against their will and institutionalize somebody longer unless they are a danger to themselves or a danger to someone else at the immediate time iirc.

They couldnt/did not adjudicate him within the court system as mentally ill within those 72 hours, therefore he has had no adjudication/ legal label as being mentally ill.

Those are my thoughts and perhaps others in the field can correct this thought.

:moo:
 
He was in an airplane roughly 11 hours yesterday - that could drive anyone over the edge!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smile

That is just flight time. In Alaska he arrived 4 hours early - linked earlier. Does not include connecting times, deplaning in Lauderdale , getting to the baggage claim there Would love to know how long the connection was but could not find the exact flight numbers

we have to be talking about a 15-16 hour day at least. Fatigue can have tremendous impact on someone who in all likelihood have been experiencing profound insomnia (guessing here)
 
Wasn't it reported that his girlfriend had two children (CBS News). Perhaps that is an influence on decor.
 
Bently said:
It was my understanding that he was under a " Baker Act" type 72-hour hold in Alaska. ( that is the name of it in Florida I don't know what other states call it) .

Iirc, They cannot hold someone against their will and institutionalize somebody longer unless they are a danger to themselves or a danger to someone else at the immediate time iirc.

They couldnt/did not adjudicate him within the court system as mentally ill within those 72 hours, therefore he has had no adjudication/ legal label as being mentally ill.

Those are my thoughts and perhaps others in the field can correct this thought.

:moo:
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Bentley, I'm from Florida as well, and my interpretation of what happened in Alaska is that they allowed him to voluntarily "check himself in" for treatment, versus "Baker Act" which is involuntary (using Florida terms). In North Florida when I learned about these laws in the 80s and 90s (via incidents with a boyfriend and an ex-husband, not me), authorities would try to avoid Baker Acting anyone, let alone a veteran, unless they were a clear and immediate threat to themselves or others and refused to check themselves in for treatment. I think Florida changed a bit iwith legislative changes in 2013 http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/samh/MentalHealth/laws/HB1355-Saleanddeliveryoffirearms.pdf, but I don't know what Alaska's equivalent laws and typical management of those scenarios is.

Completely MOO.
 
dotr said:
6:25 p.m.
Federal prosecutors have filed charges against the Florida airport shooting suspect that could bring the death penalty if he is convicted.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-ft-lauderdale-airport-reopens-shooting-130237264.html
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SABBM

Gee...ya think ??

My .02 is that the elderly were chosen because they were a 'soft target' ; unable to defend themselves or get to safety. But who knows ?
Any word about the other two victims ?

Thinking about those hurting wounded , and also the families of the victims. :(
 
Tawny said:
Are we pursuing the Star Wars connection for some reason? I don't think it shows a connection or anything...
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Only to mentally challenged adults commiting mass shootings With the movie theater shooting in Aurora and Adam Lanza it was Batman I believe.
I find it interesting and wondered.
 
LietKynes said:
SABBM

Gee...ya think ??

My .02 is that the elderly were chosen because they were a 'soft target' ; unable to defend themselves or get to safety. But who knows ?
Any word about the other two victims ?

Thinking about those hurting wounded , and also the families of the victims. :(
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Soft targets, like school children at school.
That's more what I was thinking. Thank you for that. That was more my line of thinking rather than he hates people that are his parents/grandparents age.

It may be of no significance. The photo I saw of him being taken into custody was not clear.
(It looked more like a Star TREK shirt to me)
Dr. Spock.
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All MOO
 
Pamela_Brewer said:
Soft targets, like school children at school.
That's more what I was thinking. Thank you for that. That was more my line of thinking rather than he hates people that are his parents/grandparents age.

It may be of no significance. The photo I saw of him being taken into custody was not clear.
(It looked more like a Star TREK shirt to me)
Dr. Spock.
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All MOO
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Here is what I am talking about.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...t-complained-hearing-voices-officials-n704081
 
Pamela_Brewer said:
"Fort Lauderdale Shooting: Three Victims Identified as Cruise Goers"


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...e-florida-shooting-victims-identified-n704201
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Holy crap. This just jogged something for me, one of my former students, her siblings, and her parents just left Ft. Lauderdale for the Bahamas on a cruise THURSDAY. I don't know if they flew in to Ft. Lauderdale or drove, but my God. The thought that one of my precious babies could've been in that airport had they departed a day later is hitting close to home.
 
One thing I'm wondering---and it has been nearly 10 years since I've flown, so forgive me. It seems like (if my memory is correct---and to be perfectly honest it's hard to remember things from when I was 21 and before I had three kids) when my luggage came down in the baggage claim, there comes a point when another plane starts sending luggage down those chute things and onto those belts. I think I've just arrived at the baggage claim (not really knowing how to find where mine was) when my luggage was already circulating with the next plane's. So, maybe, he went to his baggage claim, got his gun, went to the bathroom and came back intending to shoot people from his plane, but the Atlanta-based flight was already unloading their luggage and those flyers were arriving to get their luggage. It could be that several people from his flight were still in the area, at the baggage claim, just leaving the baggage claim, and he shot who he could ?? :thinking:
 
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