FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[CARIIS]

[h=3]Authorities Should Have Prevented the Panic at Fort Lauderdale Airport[/h]
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...evented-the-panic-at-fort-lauderdale-airport/

 

[Miziree]

In cars or pedestrians?

The cars. Just in the Alaska airline area there was 10 or more police making people move.

 

[Miziree]

A couple things...
I can understand why Alaska would not take away guns from people who may have a mental illness. Depression is huge there because of the low light in the winter, cold, snowy ect. (I lived there most my life and before I left became depressed) a lot of people live in areas away from town and it can be dangerous with the wildlife. Even in anchorage. I lived on the edge of anchorage and that was the only place I ever seen a bear. On Alaska state troopers show they were saying 90% of people who live there own a gun. I do believe if you are committed there should be a waiting period and eval before you can get your gun back...

The VA there is just as hard as anywhere else getting in to see a Dr. I don't know about mental health. A good friend of mine just recently had problems with his back. It took him one month for the appointment. Then a month for the OK to go to another Dr. Then another month to get into that Dr ect.

Years ago we had a young man from Norway come rent a room from us. He started hearing voices and said the CIA was coming for him. He said he was going to burn down our house the night before to get rid of evidence, so glad be didn't! He did however put toothpaste and cleaner all over the living room and his room. Then plugged up all the sinks and tub and ran water to overflowing. Then left to a hotel. He called the police on himself. They commuted him and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Very scary to watch the decline of someone so young (18)

Moo

 

[human]

A couple things...
I can understand why Alaska would not take away guns from people who may have a mental illness. Depression is huge there because of the low light in the winter, cold, snowy ect. (I lived there most my life and before I left became depressed) a lot of people live in areas away from town and it can be dangerous with the wildlife. Even in anchorage. I lived on the edge of anchorage and that was the only place I ever seen a bear. On Alaska state troopers show they were saying 90% of people who live there own a gun. I do believe if you are committed there should be a waiting period and eval before you can get your gun back...

The VA there is just as hard as anywhere else getting in to see a Dr. I don't know about mental health. A good friend of mine just recently had problems with his back. It took him one month for the appointment. Then a month for the OK to go to another Dr. Then another month to get into that Dr ect.

Years ago we had a young man from Norway come rent a room from us. He started hearing voices and said the CIA was coming for him. He said he was going to burn down our house the night before to get rid of evidence, so glad be didn't! He did however put toothpaste and cleaner all over the living room and his room. Then plugged up all the sinks and tub and ran water to overflowing. Then left to a hotel. He called the police on himself. They commuted him and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Very scary to watch the decline of someone so young (18)

Moo

Is a hand gun helpful for a bear?

 

[Miziree]

Is a hand gun helpful for a bear?

IMO yes the larger ones and a good couple shots will take down a bear. Here is a quick article about it:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-changers/how-pick-right-sidearm-backup-bear-protection

Its not just bears you have to worry about in Alaska. There are wolves, wolverines, lynx and moose to name a few.

If anything the handgun is better then nothing and might scary it off without killing it. Its all about what kind of bear, the situation, distance, your shot ect.

Moo

 

[Tawny]

The cars. Just in the Alaska airline area there was 10 or more police making people move.

Oh. Cars haven't been allowed to park outside airports for as long as I can remember, and even more so post-9/11. You can only park to actively load/unload, otherwise, they're all over people. It's to keep traffic moving along.

 

[human]

IMO yes the larger ones and a good couple shots will take down a bear. Here is a quick article about it:

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-changers/how-pick-right-sidearm-backup-bear-protection

Its not just bears you have to worry about in Alaska. There are wolves, wolverines, lynx and moose to name a few.

If anything the handgun is better then nothing and might scary it off without killing it. Its all about what kind of bear, the situation, distance, your shot ect.

Moo

We in MN do not think hand guns are the way to go. Rifles. But most people do not shoot to kill except in hunting. We of course do not have killer bears and moose are practically extinct. Trapping for smaller varmints. Hard to shoot them. Too fast

 

[Miziree]

Oh. Cars haven't been allowed to park outside airports for as long as I can remember, and even more so post-9/11. You can only park to actively load/unload, otherwise, they're all over people. It's to keep traffic moving along.

The last few times I have flown into Seattle they have not been as aggressive. Normally they would walk up and down the sidewalk and if someone was sitting too long they would make them move. This time they were in the lanes loudly yelling and not even letting them sit for a min. And many more police then normal.

Moo

 

[Miziree]

If I had a choice I would totally choose the rifle. A lot of people carry a handgun in a holster around town and working out in yards away from town. My step dad included. They live on 4 arcee in the middle of the woods 60 miles from anchorage. Its not practical to carry a rifle when your doing chores outside. It is however loaded and ready inside should my mom need to get it. Moo

 

[Miziree]

Also anchorage airport is the worst for security in baggage claim area outside. My parents wait there 30 mins plus and never have been asked to move.

 

[dotr]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fo...santiago-guns-puerto-rico-20170113-story.html

[h=1]Puerto Rico police seized guns from airport shooter Esteban Santiago[/h]

More than four years before accused airport shooter Esteban Santiago killed five and wounded six others, Puerto Rico police in his hometown of Penuelas confiscated one or more handguns he possessed while conducting an investigation into his behavior.What exactly triggered the investigation is not known, since Santiago's file has been removed from the Firearms License Office here, presumably by federal investigators, according to police press officer Edward Ramirez.
"It had to be some kind of complaint," Ramirez said.

As a reason for wanting to own a gun in Puerto Rico, a U.S. Commonwealth, Santiago checked a category called "tiro al blanco," meaning sport or target shooting, Ramirez said.

After being granted a license to own a gun, Santiago in September 2011 applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon, Ramirez said records indicate.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fo...santiago-guns-puerto-rico-20170113-story.html

he is a soldier he is in war he must be armed at all times

 

[CARIIS]

The cars. Just in the Alaska airline area there was 10 or more police making people move.

This is effective for people who want to give a loved one one more kiss goodbye!!

For folks packing an A47 or a trunkful of bombs meaningless IMO!

 

[dotr]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...h-care-esteban-santiago-airport-shooting.html

[h=1]A Rampage in Florida Shines a Light on Alaska[/h] By KIRK JOHNSONJAN. 13, 2017

ANCHORAGE — A deadly shooting rampage at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport this month has focused attention on the interconnection of public safety and mental illness and raised questions, especially here in Alaska, about one of the thorniest questions of psychology: how to tell if someone is delusional and dangerous, or merely delusional.

In Alaska, health care professionals and legal experts said the distinctive demographic, geographic and cultural stamp of the state also colors the often nuanced judgments that doctors, law enforcement officers and judges must make in deciding whether to hold a disturbed person against his or her will.
Alaska, they said, is ingrained with a deep tradition of tolerance — fueled by libertarian instincts holding that people should be able to believe what they want, however eccentric or irrational. And even when people are involuntarily committed for treatment, the median length of stay, at only five days, is shorter than in almost any other state.

In part, the distinctively Alaskan way of thinking about mental illness may reach back to the era before statehood, which came in 1959. For decades up to that point, residents were committed and sent to a psychiatric hospital in Portland, Ore., from which some never returned. The grounds for commitment — effectively a kind of deportation — sound shocking by today’s standards, including a refusal to speak and excessive masturbation.

What this case illustrates, said John Snook, the executive director of the Treatment Advocacy Center, is that behavior somewhere short of dangerous may not count. “We use this outdated concept,” he said in a telephone interview. “Most people aren’t dangerous, so they don’t get care.”

And sometimes, establishing dangerousness is difficult.

 

[human]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...h-care-esteban-santiago-airport-shooting.html

How about just plain care for mental health. Too bad there are such stigmas. Too bad one has to be so severe in order to get help

 

[CARIIS]

Despite the tragic nature of last week’s deadly shooting at a baggage carousel in Fort Lauderdale, the tourism town’s appeal appears unharmed

After a mass shooting at a gay club in Orlando in June, Central Florida suffered three months of the biggest drops in hotel demand of 2016,


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy



In Europe, where multiple mass shootings and terror attacks have occurred in the past decade, attacks have resulted in as much as double-digit declines in hotel occupancy in the three months after the incident,

ll five victims of the attack at the Terminal 2 baggage claim area in Fort Lauderdale being identified as cruise passengers on their way to a ship. Port Everglades, one of the world’s three busiest cruise ports, is a five-minute drive from the airport.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html

ll five victims of the attack at the Terminal 2 baggage claim area in Fort Lauderdale being identified as cruise passengers on their way to a ship. Port Everglades, one of the world’s three busiest cruise ports, is a five-minute drive from the airport.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy



After a mass shooting at a gay club in Orlando in June, Central Florida suffered three months of the biggest drops in hotel demand of 2016,
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy



After a mass shooting at a gay club in Orlando in June, Central Florida suffered three months of the biggest drops in hotel demand of 2016,
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html#storylink=cpy




http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article126476119.html

 

[CARIIS]

Miss Shelly Shockwave is being a bad girl!

Sorry about last post !!

 

[dotr]

Miss Shelly Shockwave is being a bad girl!

Sorry about last post !!

Miss Shelly Shockwave! Lol!!

 

[CARIIS]

Law enforcement officials and mental health experts agree the nation's crumbling mental health system has exacerbated the problem, often making officers de facto crisis counselors.

In most states, the standards for involuntary hospitalization are stringent

It's not an easy problem," said St. Charles Parish Sheriff Greg Champagne, president of the National Sheriffs' Association.


"There's no simple fix to say the FBI should've just locked this guy away because he's hearing voices."

The Secret Service conducted a detailed investigation of 43 attacks on federal government officials and facilities between 2001 and 2013.

Over half of the offenders experienced one or more mental health symptoms, including include paranoia, delusions and disorganized or odd thinking, according to the 2015 report.

Jared Lee Loughner....He once visited a sheriff's office to say his identity had been stolen and that his name and picture were being used online without his permission.

Involuntary hospitalizations typically don't last more than three days and often function more as a holding place with little therapeutic benefit.

.........................If the way we responded to heart attacks was to hospitalize people, save their life and discharge them after three or four days with no follow-up care, we'd have a lot of people dying and not recovering and that's in essence what I think we have with our mental health system............................

http://www.nptelegraph.com/news/national_news/airport-shooting-highlights-nexus-between-mentally-ill-cops/article_b553f09e-1797-5ead-b755-3949a9bde3f5.html

 

[CARIIS]

Security experts and public officials say the shooting — the first of its kind in America — exposes weaknesses in a system designed to protect travelers on airplanes, but not necessarily in airports.

IMO it is truly a very very dangerous precedent this dude has unwrapped.


an airport attack like Santiago's could easily happen again.

the federal government leaves it up to airlines and local or state legislators to set rules for public areas like baggage claim.

November 2013, gunman Paul Ciancia took a Smith & Wesson semi-automatic rifle into a busy terminal at Los Angeles International Airport and opened fire, killing a TSA agent and wounding three others.

Airlines require no gun permit when checking a gun for domestic travel, no proof of gun ownership, and no permit to use the gun in the arrival city or state, Thomas said.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fort-lauderdale-hollywood-airport-shooting/fl-airport-shooting-gun-airplane-20170114-story.html