FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #13 *1 guilty*

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Even if it was Siberia, or let's say New York or Boston where Dan saw his career path, provided Dan and Wendi stayed married, HA and DA had the resources to go visit anytime they wanted. I'm amazed that the Adelsons couldn't see that would open up new opportunities - but, for them it had to be "Definitely Miami" or his death (does anybody know that reference?). How stark. Wherever Dan and Wendi eventually landed, as the boys got older they'd probably tremendously enjoy visits to the special grandparents that live on the beach and all the fun it would have entailed. It was a total win-win.

That the Adelsons couldn't temper their expectations and imagine an alternative positive reality, and responded by conspiring to murder their son-in-law says something very profound about the narrowness of their world-view and the coldness of their hearts.
Hard agree! I have a hard time imagining that Dan agreed to only live in Miami and nowhere else when they married.
Their marriage was not what Wendi envisioned and wanted, which happens all the time, but she just wanted what she wanted out of it and that’s it. It’s beyond selfish and crazy that her whole family would just want to give her what she wants!! If that was my child I’d be like - this is life and this is divorce and let’s all make the best of it, you know?
 
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Reportedly, beginning with the first trial, KM was offered immunity by the prosecution if she cooperated and she not only did not budge, she did a good job nailing her coffin shut when she decided to testify in her own defense.

Here we have a couple, KM and SG, parents of two minor children, that are absent from their lives for life. All I can think of is that CA convinced KM that he would provide for her children-- better than she would ever be able to do for them in her life as long as she did not cooperate and/or roll on him. There's also the question of how KM paid for her defense -- twice. I don't know if fully secret trusts exist in the US as they do in the UK. MOO
I also think she appeared sincerely shocked when the verdict came down and sincerely devastated at sentencing. Someone convinced her this was a smart gamble--enough to wager her entire life on it. Kawass? She sure seemed convinced they would prevail as well..but why? The odds were never in her favor.
 
It’s odd to me as well. Charlie does seem like the paranoid type though for sure.
Yes in the description of his arrest (by the author doing a book on this case), he says Charlie's house was full of guns at every turn, with one on a tripod pointed at the front window. Apparently ready for that soon to be "dead gang member" he would be shooting in his driveway.
 
Hard agree! I have a hard time imagining that Dan agreed to only live in Miami and nowhere else when they married.
Their marriage was not what Wendi envisioned and wanted, which happens all the time, but she just wanted what she wanted out of it and that’s it. It’s beyond selfish and crazy that her whole family would just want to give her what she wants!! If that was my child I’d be like - this is life and this is divorce and let’s all make the best of it, you know?
The lengths her parents went to help their little princess be comfortable post divorce are astounding. Driving 6 hours each way to go help her out on her weeks with the kids--like being a surrogate spouse themselves. Which continued when they moved her to Miami. Wendi had far more support from her actual ex-spouse than most, yet she acted like she was incapable to manage this life she chose (and treated as such). It was chilling to hear Donna say to Charlie "well I have two little boys" as if they are HER boys. Then the driving to escort her down and back to Miami. They infantilized her, which will likely show up in some defense somewhere. That it was all Donna and Harvey planning and pulling off this whole thing. I'm surprised those boys don't call Donna "Mommy".

Charlie has lots of time to contemplate all these messed up family dynamics that he's taking the fall for right now.
 
Even if it was Siberia, or let's say New York or Boston where Dan saw his career path, provided Dan and Wendi stayed married, HA and DA had the resources to go visit anytime they wanted. I'm amazed that the Adelsons couldn't see that would open up new opportunities - but, for them it had to be "Definitely Miami" or his death (does anybody know that reference?). How stark. Wherever Dan and Wendi eventually landed, as the boys got older they'd probably tremendously enjoy visits to the special grandparents that live on the beach and all the fun it would have entailed. It was a total win-win.

That the Adelsons couldn't temper their expectations and imagine an alternative positive reality, and responded by conspiring to murder their son-in-law says something very profound about the narrowness of their world-view and the coldness of their hearts.
I think it was a pure power struggle and Donna was going to win at all costs. When Dan filed that motion about her supervised visits, that was beyond her ability to tolerate. And Wendi was happy to go right along with it. It's very bizarre to see an entire family--save one member-- devoid of conscience. Or being so entitled and co-dependent that any shred of conscience gets over-ridden.
 
The lengths her parents went to help their little princess be comfortable post divorce are astounding. Driving 6 hours each way to go help her out on her weeks with the kids--like being a surrogate spouse themselves. Which continued when they moved her to Miami. Wendi had far more support from her actual ex-spouse than most, yet she acted like she was incapable to manage this life she chose (and treated as such). It was chilling to hear Donna say to Charlie "well I have two little boys" as if they are HER boys. Then the driving to escort her down and back to Miami. They infantilized her, which will likely show up in some defense somewhere. That it was all Donna and Harvey planning and pulling off this whole thing. I'm surprised those boys don't call Donna "Mommy".

Charlie has lots of time to contemplate all these messed up family dynamics that he's taking the fall for right now.
I hope he turns on his family. He should IMO.
 
I'm interested to hear what you all think will happen for CA.

It seems to me as if his chances at trial are poor, the evidence and prior convictions tell a compelling story. So I think he would be wise to consider any type of plea deal put to him. (As has always been the case for Katie)

I don't think he will though. I think he will be found guilty.

I do entertain hopes of further arrests too.
 
I'm interested to hear what you all think will happen for CA.

It seems to me as if his chances at trial are poor, the evidence and prior convictions tell a compelling story. So I think he would be wise to consider any type of plea deal put to him. (As has always been the case for Katie)

I don't think he will though. I think he will be found guilty.

I do entertain hopes of further arrests too.
I think his chances at trial are poor too and I think he knows that for sure now after last Friday. I hope he considers a plea and I think he’s the only one in that family that would take one…
Yes, for sure I want to see Wendi and Donna behind bars as well at least!
 
I'm interested to hear what you all think will happen for CA.

It seems to me as if his chances at trial are poor, the evidence and prior convictions tell a compelling story. So I think he would be wise to consider any type of plea deal put to him. (As has always been the case for Katie)

I don't think he will though. I think he will be found guilty.

I do entertain hopes of further arrests too.
It's almost universal--even with the pundit defense attorneys--that his chances are almost nil at trial.

It all boils down to if he will give up any of his family for a deal. Someone said he can't really give up Wendi without giving up Donna so.....I don't think he will ever give up his mother.

I think it will go something like "I've got the best attorney money can buy and I'm going to roll the dice hoping for a hung jury--and my life on the outside wasn't that great anyway". Because it wasn't. He had descended in to paranoia, lost all his friends, was fighting law suits all over the place. He looked defeated last time in court, so, sadly he may just take one for the team and never serve up his family.
 
Anybody know what Wendi is doing professionally currently?
I'd imagine there is significant work for immigration lawyers in FL, given the dynamics of the state's immigration actions these days. Thoughts?
 
Anybody know what Wendi is doing professionally currently?
I'd imagine there is significant work for immigration lawyers in FL, given the dynamics of the state's immigration actions these days. Thoughts?
She was working for IMPAC (Immigration Partnership and Coalition Fund) as of recently… not sure if she still is. There’s not a lot of information on that organization online - I couldn’t even find a webpage.
 
Concerning the Matsuri conversation, I'm very curious about how Charlie was "on" to the agent sitting there, and especially what made him think there was a recorder in the bag. I have seen LE use recorders that look like pens, so I'm bewildered that whatever they used to record could be sussed out.
My guess is that it was the behaviour of the agent, not the recording device, that gave it away. If the restaurant was busy, and given the background noise I imagine it was, the agent would have had to go to some trouble to get a table near Charlie. Might have been obvious.
 
Surviving the Survivor. Interesting podcast that does quite a bit of coverage on this case.
I realize I’m way late for this response, but when I mentioned a podcast and accompanying YT about the case, my post was swiftly deleted stating it was not an approved source. I totally agree about Surviving and I enjoy Karm!
 
Anybody know what Wendi is doing professionally currently?
I'd imagine there is significant work for immigration lawyers in FL, given the dynamics of the state's immigration actions these days. Thoughts?
I wonder what Wendi's life is like these days. Even though she has never been charged with anything (or at least, not yet) there is a lot of speculation about her on blogs and social media. Does she still get invited to social events? Are people side-eyeing her? Are they avoiding her? I read that CA's dental practice took a nosedive long before he was arrested, just because patients and potential patients heard the rumors about his involvement in Dan's murder. Those same rumors are being passed around about her as well. And how does she feel about the fact that her brother is in jail and will probably spend the rest of his life behind bars because he tried to "help" his little sister?
 
Just adding my two cents. I believe the Adelsons to be an enmeshed family, and I doubt we will see Charlie turning on Wendi, and especially not Donna. And I doubt he will be offered a plea unless he agrees to tell the truth about the entire family involvement; I can’t see him turning on them.
 
Anybody know what Wendi is doing professionally currently?
I'd imagine there is significant work for immigration lawyers in FL, given the dynamics of the state's immigration actions these days. Thoughts?
that is a good question. Most normal law firms don't want to hire attorneys that have negative controversy like this.
 
My guess is that it was the behaviour of the agent, not the recording device, that gave it away. If the restaurant was busy, and given the background noise I imagine it was, the agent would have had to go to some trouble to get a table near Charlie. Might have been obvious.
They were at a sushi restaurant, so looking at the angle, they might have been at the sushi bar and the agent just down the bar, which is a very easy way to see people--going both ways. And maybe the "bag" was sitting on top of the bar which drew attention to it. Just a guess.
 
Just adding my two cents. I believe the Adelsons to be an enmeshed family, and I doubt we will see Charlie turning on Wendi, and especially not Donna. And I doubt he will be offered a plea unless he agrees to tell the truth about the entire family involvement; I can’t see him turning on them.
Ya know, like most of you I've given this a lot of thought. And I've been leaning toward Charlie working a deal, but I've changed my mind for these reasons.

His life was deteriorating on the outside. It's not like he was living the high life of lobster and shoulder rubs like he once was. He was paranoid, friendless and had guns stationed all around his house and barely working plus fighting lawsuits on multiple fronts. He does not seem that connected to his child, so not much incentive there.

He talks to Donna a lot from jail. I can see her working her manipulative influence, knowing his buttons, to keep him from doing that for her own selfish reasons. I suspect by now she and Wendi have convinced themselves this was all Charlie's doing and without him, they would have never gone along with it.

I recently rewatched the last hearing video. The part where Georgia says something about his not being released as he could influence his family and there might be arrests there too, he gets this look of "no way" and shakes his head. It's about the most emotion I see of him during that hearing. Like he's in disbelief they could be arrested. That's the thing that flipped me over to think he won't cooperate. I'm sure Donna is telling him he has "the best attorney" and a "great chance to get out" doing her manipulative thing protecting herself (which I hope does not--there is enough on her without him imo).

Anyway, some of my thoughts.
 
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