GUILTY FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen #18

[Hiller]

I would not write down Wendi and Harvey as of yet. There is the hierarchy of homicide acts available to the State: a) first-degree murder and felony murder, b) second-degree murder, c) third-degree murder which is split into 5 categories (voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, reckless homicide, negligent homicide, and justifiable homicide) in some states.

We do not know the totality of what the State and the FBI know already (Wendi and Donna were both labeled as not-indicted co-conspirators in 2022), and what else they are pursuing (the investigation continues, so sayeth Georgia).

IMHO, there are enough circumstantial evidences of Wendi’s foreknowledge (Jeffrey’s testimony), planning (disclosure Dan Markel’s itinerary to Charlie and Katie), and culpable activities (surveying the crime scene, proactively staging detailed alibi, etc). In totality, “Dan Markel’s murder is about Wendi”, according to Chris DeCoste. Perhaps, more materials against Wendi could avail from the coming proceeding of Donna, enough to fall back in the second-degree murder (10 to 20 years) if the first-degree felony is unattainable.

One of the arguments for rescinding the Donna and Harvey’s Subpoena to appear at Miami FBI office was that the writ to compel their testimony with use and derivative use immunity could weaken future prosecution. Ergo, the idea of future prosecution of Harvey has currency. Some acquaintances (e.g. Tamara Demko) felt uneasiness toward Harvey the very week following Dan’s murder. IMHO, potential conviction for third-degree voluntary manslaughter (5 to 10 years) could be in store for Harvey within a couple of years down the road.

I don't believe that the facts of the actual killing fit FL's definitions for guilt of the lesser charges, plus a first degree murder has been proven in three previous cases.

 

[jennyjenny]

The invitation is real, the question about whether the invitation specifically asked Wendi to purchase Bulliet bourbon is the issue. The stock-the-bar party was for her friend Elizabeth (who, like a few others like Tova Walsh and Jane - are inexplicably fiercely on "Team Wendi" still in 2023).

BBM ... Elizabeth is the friend Wendi mentions to the victim advocate, that she needs to call or text. She's to attend Elizabeth's party that night and also that Elizabeth is the mortician. I've heard her last name - will try to locate.
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And what is it about Tova that just bugs the out of me?!? I don't know if it's the hypocrisy of using her reputation and her belief of the importance of fathers to defend Wendi ... or just her annoying lisp!

 

[alexwood]

Maybe it was a “fake” or questionable or even “manufactured after the fact” invitation lol

I can't even spell. I typed "heresay" in two posts I made. I know full well that it is "hearsay." I'mmaa gonna blame it on autocorrect! (LOL! I'm an idiot!)

 

[alexwood]

No, just that she came from New York, met Harvey there, that’s it. There’s a little bit more on the Markels and how they came to Canada from Europe and how Ruth was very close to her uncle (owner of the Holocaust Diamond). There’s stuff about Dan and Wendi and their growing up, but not a lot of deep psychological insight on the Adelson family dynamics, which I have heard described elsewhere as “enmeshed.” THAT would be a book I would like to read. STS tonight is going to have psychological experts talking about the A family.

Thanks, amicuscurie. You may have to write that book! I'll buy a couple of copies!

 

[Blue Shakehead]

BBM ... Elizabeth is the friend Wendi mentions to the victim advocate, that she needs to call or text. She's to attend Elizabeth's party that night and also that Elizabeth is the mortician. I've heard her last name - will try to locate.
FF talks about her in one of her live streams ... Elizabeth handled Fanci's dad when he past away.

And what is it about Tova that just bugs the out of me?!? I don't know if it's the hypocrisy of using her reputation and her belief of the importance of fathers to defend Wendi ... or just her annoying lisp!

Exactly. Tova Walsh's area of professional expertise is around the importance of fathers in their children's lives. She has written academic research papers on the subject. And then she goes on Dateline and 20/20 to defend Wendi and the Adelson family about how they could not possibly have been involved in the barbaric murder of Dan Markel, effectively eliminating the father from Wendi's children's lives. She never opines on whether it is important for children of murdered fathers to maintain an identity with or connection to their murdered fathers through say, their surname or middle names, but I wish she would. Nor does she ever opine on whether children of murdered fathers should be allowed to have a connection with their paternal grandparents. The complete lack of self-awareness or recognition of the irony is enough to despise Tova Walsh.

The 2nd biggest reason to hate Tova is that she repeats Wendi's lie VERBATIM about how Dan "told Wendi that if she divorced him, he would take the house and the kids and she could only leave with the clothes on her back". Again, this line does not ever come up in Wendi's 800 page divorce file and she never mentions it once in her divorce deposition. It only comes up after Dan is dead and unable to represent himself so that Wendi and Tova can paint a picture of how abusive the murder victim was.

 

[Wishbone]

Maybe it was a “fake” or questionable or even “manufactured after the fact” invitation lol

In an interview or testimony(don't remember which)she mentioned the bottle of booze being on the seat of her car. Don't know if the booze itself or the invitation came up first.....I also don't recall the state talking about the bottle, just the invitation.

 

[Wishbone]

Exactly. Tova Walsh's area of professional expertise is around the importance of fathers in their children's lives. She has written academic research papers on the subject. And then she goes on Dateline and 20/20 to defend Wendi and the Adelson family about how they could not possibly have been involved in the barbaric murder of Dan Markel, effectively eliminating the father from Wendi's children's lives. She never opines on whether it is important for children of murdered fathers to maintain an identity with or connection to their murdered fathers through say, their surname or middle names, but I wish she would. Nor does she ever opine on whether children of murdered fathers should be allowed to have a connection with their paternal grandparents. The complete lack of self-awareness or recognition of the irony is enough to despise Tova Walsh.

The 2nd biggest reason to hate Tova is that she repeats Wendi's lie VERBATIM about how Dan "told Wendi that if she divorced him, he would take the house and the kids and she could only leave with the clothes on her back". Again, this line does not ever come up in Wendi's 800 page divorce file and she never mentions it once in her divorce deposition. It only comes up after Dan is dead and unable to represent himself so that Wendi and Tova can paint a picture of how abusive the murder victim was.

You convinced me enough to share your sentiments toward that "expert". Wondering why her statement about DM saying he would keep the house and kids isn't considered hearsay?

 

[Gypsy Road]

I can't even spell. I typed "heresay" in two posts I made. I know full well that it is "hearsay." I'mmaa gonna blame it on autocorrect! (LOL! I'm an idiot!)

No you aren’t! It’s these dang phones! I was mad at my husband the other day and called him a butt hole in a text and it changed it to BUTTON HOLE!

 

[alexwood]

No you aren’t! It’s these dang phones! I was mad at my husband the other day and called him a butt hole in a text and it changed it to BUTTON HOLE!

But I'm using a PC! No defense for me! Thanks for trying, though, Gypsy Road!

 

[Knitpicker]

In an interview or testimony(don't remember which)she mentioned the bottle of booze being on the seat of her car. Don't know if the booze itself or the invitation came up first.....I also don't recall the state talking about the bottle, just the invitation.

Hi- the bottle was in the backseat of her car with the receipt.Ironically, it was Bulliet rye and not bourbon.

 

[Knitpicker]

I think it was blocking the road so that Trescott Dr could not be entered from the road that she was traveling. There was a patrol vehicle, in addition to the crime scene tape blocking entrance to Trescott Dr.

It may have been confusing when Georgia showed the google image at last trial bc she showed two areas of yellow tape. The one where Trescott meets Centerville -that’s where WA “says” she saw the tape. Not where it was. It was 4-5 houses away from DM’s home (according to Det.Isom and Officer Brannon. When I saw that up I was hoping the jury wasn’t confused about it. Georgia was basically saying “this is where she said it was but wasn’t”.

 

[amicuscurie]

also at, your link, at 1 hr 13 mins, she states she had made a 'last minute plan to have lunch

but on July 18th 2014 with Isom, she kind of alerted when Isom said ' last minute' when he referenced her lunch date.

at 21 minutes 18 secs:

Yep. Noticed that as well. It was last minute, the phone records show her calling her lunch companions after she left the house. At 12:30. Not at “around 12,” as she has testified. It was last minute and she was running late and didn’t shower. I think these facts are significant, I just can’t figure out how exactly.

 

[amicuscurie]

I watched LR's proffer a few days ago and he said for the 1st trip to Tally SG was given 5 grand (for 'expenses', which they spent on gas, motel and drugs/alcohol) and for the 2nd trip he thought it was 2 grand. I would suppose those monies came from CA to KM to SG, does anyone remember KM being asked about that during CA's trial?

I don't recall much being said about the details of the 1st trip, if that money was also in stapled $1000. increments, etc. Maybe it was and I wasn't paying attention to it since I hadn't seen his proffer video yet, just curious if she ever gave any more details about it. I hesitate to plow through her proffer videos since from what I've heard it's quite the investment in patience. lol

She says in her proffer it was only a couple hundred. She may be trying to minimize her role.

 

[Sustained]

Yep. Noticed that as well. It was last minute, the phone records show her calling her lunch companions after she left the house. At 12:30. Not at “around 12,” as she has testified. It was last minute and she was running late and didn’t shower. I think these facts are significant, I just can’t figure out how exactly.

My question would be was WA actually at the house ?

 

[amicuscurie]

My question would be was WA actually at the house ?

It is my understanding that if you could see the tape, you could see the house. Corbett testified that she was at a cell site consistent with her own house as of 12:30. She had not left yet. 12:30 is also the time that Sig called Katie to say it was done. Hence all the inconsistent stories. The more you watch the interview, the more of these you spot.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yep. Noticed that as well. It was last minute, the phone records show her calling her lunch companions after she left the house. At 12:30. Not at “around 12,” as she has testified. It was last minute and she was running late and didn’t shower. I think these facts are significant, I just can’t figure out how exactly.

I have never counted but if you analysed that 5 hour Isom interview, there's a red flag or inconsistency maybe every 10 minutes or so? Sometimes multiple ones simultaneously.

Now imagine if the state had records of all her comms, text contents, conversations, movements.

This is why I get frustrated with her bosom buddies . Between them they will have had so much useful info for LE

 

[Tanager]

My question would be was WA actually at the house ?

It is my understanding that if you could see the tape, you could see the house. Corbett testified that she was at a cell site consistent with her own house as of 12:30. She had not left yet. 12:30 is also the time that Sig called Katie to say it was done. She may have been sent out there to confirm. Hence all the inconsistent stories around being late, but the lunch wasn’t last minute, but she didn’t shower, but she left with plenty of time. The more you watch the interview, the more of these you spot.

I wonder if she needs the "last minute" lunch in case someone questions why she would try to get the kids at daycare early if she already had a lunch scheduled. If she was not planning to get the kids early, there is no legitimate reason for her call to DM, which is how she confirmed his whereabouts without the kids so that they would not be there during the hit. Does that make sense?

 

[ChezSimone]

What is strange about this as an alibi is that there actually were a couple of hours after the TV guy left that she was home by herself. She volunteered her computer at the police station so they could look at the time stamps for her work that morning.

I find it's a good alibi as it potentialy had the possibility of providing for a window of a few hours (8am to 12pm) where chances are she was home.

 

[Sustained]

It is my understanding that if you could see the tape, you could see the house. Corbett testified that she was at a cell site consistent with her own house as of 12:30. She had not left yet. 12:30 is also the time that Sig called Katie to say it was done. Hence all the inconsistent stories. The more you watch the interview, the more of these you spot.

Sorry for my confusing statement - I meant was WA actually at her own house on Aqua Ridge the entire morning of the murder ? We know her phone was there @ 12:30 but where was she after Geek Squad left @ 10 ? The statement she didn't have time for a shower bothers me. The owl t-shirt is also too coincidental for me.

 

[amicuscurie]

I have never counted but if you analysed that 5 hour Isom interview, there's a red flag or inconsistency maybe every 10 minutes or so? Sometimes multiple ones simultaneously.

Now imagine if the state had records of all her comms, text contents, conversations, movements.

This is why I get frustrated with her bosom buddies . Between them they will have had so much useful info for LE

The inconsistencies also seem to correlate with the crying episodes, I think. I will have to go back and check. But the crying appears abruptly at certain times. I think they may have been suspicious of her when they picked her up, which may account for the manner in which they picked her up. I realize the wife is always the first suspect, but I think they may also have known how contentious the divorce was in this case. Dan’s lawyer said he was called by someone he knew at the police right after it happened. Everything police do is for a reason. They picked her up in a way that left her taken by surprise and unable to get away, and they did it just as soon as they were able to locate her. They didn’t call her in like they sometimes do.