FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #23

[cottonweaver]

continued from above, same Mentour Lawyer link as provided on the previous WS page.

Tagged items 31 - 39

#31 'Instant message' Janis M to DA. Nov 10. ' good morning Aloha is coming today between 2 and 4. sure I will contact them and check for the cushions if they're ready so I can pick them up. Saturday morning works better for me. do we need to pack things up right away could we wait a bit to process it all if anything I can pack things up'


#32 ' Instant message' DA to WA. November 13 2023 12.09pm. ' too much going on and I don't mean to bother you with this but again again I have no idea who you invited' ( this refers to L's bar mitzvah)


#33 ' Instant message' DA to Annie Cunningham. November 7, 2023 ' I am copying you on different emails and things that you may not understand but just check with me later and I will explain everything please check if there is any chance you could get down here by possibly Thursday but don't book a final ticket please. there's so much we have to go over with you'


#32 ' Instant message' WA to DA. November 7, 10.07 am. 'Dear Mom, I know you're upset by the verdict but the anger directed at me is not justified. I am not responsible in any way for Charlie's situation. I am "not guilty" because I did not do anything wrong and I was not involved in any way with Danny's death. When I was interviewed by the police and testified in court I told the truth as I was required to do. I cannot control how the prosecutor used my statements at Charlie's trial, also as you know my lawyer had advised me not to talk to my family or anyone else about this case. I followed his advice despite your disagreement with this guidance. please do not text me about this case anymore. if you have anything further to say about the case please go through our lawyers. right now I have to be singularly focused on taking care of the boys during this difficult time now '


#35 ' Instant message' Note from DA to self. November 8, (my cousin Vinnie note) 'crazy coincidence ask Charlie about it one tire spinning and one on the ground D two guys fitting the same description what are the chances identical cars Witnesses identify them '


#36 ' Instant message' Note from DA to self.November 8, 10.29pm ( ' a few mins after the My Cousin Vinnie note) ' 'if she is involved then C is involved. home phone number rarely called ' ( ML speculates this is re State's assertions during CA's trial but impossible to be sure on what DA is thinking or who 'she' is. Georgia may have used that phrase I've bolded or Charlie)


#37 'Instant message' from DA to Marty Ellis. 9 Nov ' Ask W to call Marty. I text Luella that we are travelling'


#38 'Instant message' from DA to Janis M 10 Nov 10am. We understand how you feel and what you were saying I just took my first shower since Monday we are just a mess but when we speak to Charlie we have to be strong it is extremely difficult. we will definitely see you at 10 on Saturday and then we can talk totally understand about you not reaching out we have other friends that are not able to at this time '


#39 ' Instant message' Note from DA to self.November 8, 10.35pm. ' slim pickings of jurors and the state picked them off character assassination. you said maybe the prosecutor would dismiss the case if it was a normal case. you had overwhelming evidence. no credible evidence.' ( I am assuming the ' you ' that DA is referring to is Dan Rashbaum)

 

[cottonweaver]

continued from above, same Mentour Lawyer link as provided on the previous WS page. ( anything in italics is just me adding an explanation or a note)

Tagged items 40 - 52 ( I haven't done the rest yet - items 53-85 - it's not an exciting task!)


#40 'Instant message' from Jorge E to DA. 7 Nov. 3.28pm ' hey Donna I apologize but will not be able to come over I just got pulled into a meeting with my West Coast team'


#42 'Instant message' Whatsapp. from Bree P to DA 11 Nov 7.53 am ' thinking of you today I know it will be hard going to the house love you'


#43 'Instant message' Note from DA to self. 8 Nov 9.55am ' autopsy photos traumatize the jury two times.' (Lots of DA complaints about CA's trial. (Am not bothering to paste it. It can be found at 1hr 05 at the link)


#44 ' Instant message' DA to Annie Cunningham. November 7, 2023. 10.40am ' Can't say exactly why but we may need you guys to come over here both of you. Wendy is not responding to us and we have an issue that we cannot discuss over the phone I know this all sounds crazy but I assure you it is not I wish I could tell you more don't make plans until I contact you in a bit hanks Annie stand by don't call me yet'


#44 ' Instant message' DA to B Adelson. ' hi Ben just want to say I love you. heard about your weekend trip to New York sounds wonderful. I know you have homework and packing to do tonight and you're leaving in the morning so maybe we'll talk while you're in the car on the way to the airport tomorrow. we're having dinner together on Sunday after you come home' ( date & time not given)


#46 'Instant message' Note from DA to self. ' Frank Biden connection' ( no other info given, no idea why LEO tagged it)


#47 'Instant message' from DA to Marty Ellis. 7 Nov, 10.24 am ' Just got off with Charlie. too many things to take care of have no time to talk please understand besides my daughter just texted me not to talk to her about the case. how about not calling us to see how we are after my son getting a death sentence. how about not coming here to see us. did she not want to see her father banging on the floor and crying?'


#48 'Instant message' Note from DA to self. ( notes about the trial again yadder yadder yadder)


#48 'Instant message' ( Sender not supplied, guess sender is the bank re travel payments) ' did you authorize check number blah blah blah for 22, 189 on account *advertiser censored*, reply yes or no by 5pm tomorrow'


#50 'Instant message' Note from DA to self. 9 Nov, 5.14am 'Give Wendy a call list. ask any to call Sharon B' ( 'any' isn't a typo, it's what ML said & how I heard it. Could be Eddie or a misspeak but unclear)


#51 'Instant message' Note from DA to self. ( more ranty notes about the CA trial)


#52 'Instant message' Note from DA to self. 'call Gary for names of appellate lawyers '

(ETA. Re item 44 & ' Sunday dinner'
In Mentour Lawyer's read -out work on Donna's Nov 2022 - March 2023 calendar planner it was noteworthy that these Sunday family dinners continue throughout. Also quite a bit of baby-sitting whenever WA is away, either on business or with GE. I can't recall how old the eldest would be but the continuation of the WA - DA cordial? relations just interested me)

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

yes I think it was Noshers which he'd invested in.
It's a very old police report, quite long & detailed. Report mentions that Charlie likes to settle old scores. Who does that sound like? Mommie Dearest!

BTW this Donna note, attached below, was in her 2022 planner. Just highlighting that she's drawn a heart around her note about his birthday. ( I have no idea what the word is at the top. Illegible) Obviously he was in jail for his B'day. ( Source Mentour Lawyer, same link as the last planner note)

The OTT love heart might also be interpreted as her guilt? Or is the heart drawn with a lipstick? !

@Iamnotsherlock - Yes some wire taps would be fab right now. Wendi & Harvey please View attachment 520480

Interesting^…. Does the word just above the heart say ‘Bisram’ corrected possibly from ‘Basram’? (Or the reverse?) And is that a $ (dollar sign with two vertical hashes through it) - vs a stricken B? (I am not a handwriting analyst….. so FWIW? But looks like the correction of the i to a (or vice versa) is done with a single strike? Unlike the symbol to the left of the unknown word with two vertical strikes?

Maybe the investigators have something somewhere that clarifies or decodes that? MOO

ETA…. Sorry as I see Knitpicker has also theorized about that unknown word in post # 99.

 

[IQuestion]

Donna uses "Whatsapp" as per Visa purchase. So, "Whatsapp" info can now be retrieved! (uh oh!) Hmmm, I'd pack up and go to Texas for sure.(Better double check the shipping containers.) I remembered an IRS case and one of the perps fled to Mexico just across the Texas border so his family could visit him often. Even though he did not receive a long sentence, he claimed at his age it would be the rest of his life. (He was an aid for at least 2 senators.)
"Aug 24, 1998 · Winburn fled to Mexico during the trial. The four are accused of concealing nearly $2 million from the IRS in offshore accounts, and selling packages of "bogus" trusts to their clients,..."

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/1998/08/24/daily1.html

 

[IQuestion]

Interesting^…. Does the word just above the heart say ‘Bisram’ corrected possibly from ‘Basram’? (Or the reverse?) And is that a $ (dollar sign with two vertical hashes through it) - vs a stricken B? (I am not a handwriting analyst….. so FWIW? But looks like the correction of the i to a (or vice versa) is done with a single strike? Unlike the symbol to the left of the unknown word with two vertical strikes?

Maybe the investigators have something somewhere that clarifies or decodes that? MOO

ETA…. Sorry as I see Knitpicker has also theorized about that unknown word in post # 99.

Mortgage broker in Ft. Lauderdale? (are we allowed to post link to Linkedin?)
This is gonna be a long, long night...so much to read...

 

[amicuscurie]

do you mean that she's anticipating an arrest and therefore she's planning to flee? That the Texas move is just a ruse, covering her becoming a fugitive?

I don’t believe she’s planning to flee. I believe she is anticipating being arrested and is trying to put her affairs in order, I.e. rent out her apartment, get the boys somewhere, etc., before it happens. The “move to Texas,” I believe, is being used for an excuse for this type of “getting ready” behavior.

 

[Teche]

I don’t believe she’s planning to flee. I believe she is anticipating being arrested and is trying to put her affairs in order, I.e. rent out her apartment, get the boys somewhere, etc., before it happens. The “move to Texas,” I believe, is being used for an excuse for this type of “getting ready” behavior.

I can't imagine leaving my children with relatives who weren't involved in their daily lives.

 

[amicuscurie]

I can't imagine leaving my children with relatives who weren't involved in their daily lives.

True. But I can’t imagine allegedly having their father murdered, either.

 

[Knitpicker]

What I was trying to say is that I have my doubts that LE was actively watching Donna and her movements. I just feel as though the only reason that they knew that she was going to flee is because this guy made the phone call to them Sunday night. That’s why they went for her on Monday. I just, again, my opinion, don’t think that they were watching her that closely or listening to the tapes in real time and that they knew that she was going to flee. In my opinion, the only reason that she got arrested and followed is only because of the fact that he called. If he had not called, I think she would’ve gotten away is what I’m trying to say.

You could be right. Not doubting that. But thats like saying they aren’t watching Wendi as Donnas trial nears. Who knows? Theres so much insanity involved in this case. You’d think they were keeping tabs on Donna. And knew she was making payments for a villa in Vietnam almost a year before Charlies trial. I guess they still didn’t have enough on her to Tap her calls?

 

[cottonweaver]

8 minute Mentour Lawyer video, narrated by Steph

Combines screenshots of evidence from both sources - both the planner & the ' 85 tagged items'

( ML adds that in his opinion the 'Wendy's book' entries just refers to a compilation that DA is making, maybe for the boys, of family memories. Deductive reasoning based on how the references appear in the planner & the notes next to them)

' Open toe or closed toe'

 

[IQuestion]

I can't imagine leaving my children with relatives who weren't involved in their daily lives.

I don’t believe she’s planning to flee. I believe she is anticipating being arrested and is trying to put her affairs in order, I.e. rent out her apartment, get the boys somewhere, etc., before it happens. The “move to Texas,” I believe, is being used for an excuse for this type of “getting ready” behavior.

CA said he should have trusted his gut and left the country. DA & HA tried to flee. Why (if you don't mind me asking) would WA not be considering the same vein to avoid prosecution? I can not see the benefit of staying, getting arrested, huge legal expenses, trial and possibly being found guilty of being complicit in a murder for hire. (I wrote "possibly" because of hung jury, mistrial, meteor strike etc.)
Relistening to 6 hours of testimony and police station interviews of JLaCasse reaffirms (for me) she was a part of the plot. And being familiar with immigration issues probably more aware of weaknesses/vulnerabilities in border crossings by land, sea or air. Her money will go a lot further in some of the countries mentioned in earlier conversations.... Just my thoughts, g'night.

 

[ch_13]

CA said he should have trusted his gut and left the country. DA & HA tried to flee. Why (if you don't mind me asking) would WA not be considering the same vein to avoid prosecution? I can not see the benefit of staying, getting arrested, huge legal expenses, trial and possibly being found guilty of being complicit in a murder for hire. (I wrote "possibly" because of hung jury, mistrial, meteor strike etc.)
Relistening to 6 hours of testimony and police station interviews of JLaCasse reaffirms (for me) she was a part of the plot. And being familiar with immigration issues probably more aware of weaknesses/vulnerabilities in border crossings by land, sea or air. Her money will go a lot further in some of the countries mentioned in earlier conversations.... Just my thoughts, g'night.

Because Wendy's a lawyer, I think she understands that running to another country will not solve her problems. If the U.S. wants her back, they'll get her. At best she'll delay the proceedings, but in the end fleeing will just make her look guilty to a jury.

People often post about criminals running to "non-extradition" countries, but really that's a fantasy. No country wants a foreigner within their borders who's a murderer. They will promptly kick them out and send the accused back home. In fact, sometimes an extradition treaty can make things more difficult because there's a legal process that must be followed and that can take a while. In many circumstances, non-extradition countries can simply cancel the visa and hold the suspect until U.S. authorities come to claim them. Now if Wendy had significant ties to another country or access to hundreds of millions of dollars for bribes, that might change things, but she doesn't.

And before someone mentions it...yes, even Cuba will send accused criminals back to the U.S.

New Jersey lawyer captured in Cuba after allegedly killing girlfriend

Ray fled to the Southwest and into Mexico before flying to Cuba, where he was detained at customs, police said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[scapa]

Thanks @cottonweaver and others for the transcriptions. This is some wild, wild stuff.

So wild, in fact, that the more DA-bizarritude I read the less likely I think it is that they'll go after WA as a conspirator in this murder. DA seems clearly to have been the main driver (I hesitate to use the word "mastermind") of the conspiracy and crime, with hubristic, score-settling, coked-up Charlie as her catspaw. WA may well be all the nasty things we think she is, but if the plan needed her at all it was in some of the logistical details that she did not have to know about to manage.

The vicious and cackhanded plot that ended in the murder of DM and the further isolation of his children has the DA and CA prints all over it. Wendy may well -- must have -- known something was up at various times but I no longer see her as involved to the extent of her mother and brother. DA's control freakery and delusions combined with CA's wannabe gangsta and KM's connections, and CA's irrational hatred of her SiL now seems to me the overriding factor, beyond even WA's petulance, etc.

What a family, what a pair.

 

[Knitpicker]

8 minute Mentour Lawyer video, narrated by Steph

Combines screenshots of evidence from both sources - both the planner & the ' 85 tagged items'

( ML adds that in his opinion the 'Wendy's book' entries just refers to a compilation that DA is making, maybe for the boys, of family memories. Deductive reasoning based on how the references appear in the planner & the notes next to them)

' Open toe or closed toe'

The whole scrapbook thing is beyond weird.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

The whole scrapbook thing is beyond weird.

I’m not getting the scrapbook. What did I miss?

 

[Knitpicker]

I’m not getting the scrapbook. What did I miss?

Apparently (and Mentour is the one who said it), all the notes Donna put in her planner that read “Wendi’s book” was figured out by Mentour lawyer to mean that every year Donna collects stuf and makes a book for the boys. And he believed thats what the note meant.
I thought Maybe Donna was working on W’s second book and may have even wrote her first one.
Some thought it meant Donna reminding herself to read W’s book. (Meaning she never read it).
James ought to really get credit for this. He works hard and puts lots of time in, (he did a 4 hour live this week from 11PM to 3AM!!(yet doesn't have a professionally produced show like STS since hes also a lawyer.) This week he went over much of Donnas planner that the state had, that he paid for. He tried to be the first to report stuff since hes local.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Apparently (and Mentour is the one who said it), all the notes Donna put in her planner that read “Wendi’s book” was figured out by Mentour lawyer to mean that every year Donna collects stuf and makes a book for the boys. And he believed thats what the note meant.
I thought Maybe Donna was working on W’s second book and may have even wrote her first one.
Some thought it meant Donna reminding herself to read W’s book. (Meaning she never read it).
James ought to really get credit for this. He works hard and puts lots of time in, (he did a 4 hour live this week from 11PM to 3AM!!(yet doesn't have a professionally produced show like STS since hes also a lawyer.) This week he went over much of Donnas planner that the state had, that he paid for. He tried to be the first to report stuff since hes local.

Oh, yes! Thanks so much for explaining.
I listened to most of his recent pods. I say “listened” since I usually fall asleep during podcasts (not just his) — I start them again at the point where I think I conked off, but definitely end up missing some intel since this is an inexact process

 

[Knitpicker]

Oh, yes! Thanks so much for explaining.
I listened to most of his recent pods. I say “listened” since I usually fall asleep during podcasts (not just his) — I start them again at the point where I think I conked off, but definitely end up missing some intel since this is an inexact process

I can’t fall asleep to most of the channels now, because the ad comes on much louder than the podcast and wakes me up. Years ago many of the channels covering the trials didn’t have ads. I used to fall asleep to Carl’s until he monitized and now there are ads every 5 minutes. His voice was good to fall asleep to lol

UPDATE: Actually he may have done something because I see his podcast from last night doesnt seem to have ads. People were complaining about that.(only one or two ads at the beginning).

 

[amicuscurie]

You could be right. Not doubting that. But thats like saying they aren’t watching Wendi as Donnas trial nears. Who knows? Theres so much insanity involved in this case. You’d think they were keeping tabs on Donna. And knew she was making payments for a villa in Vietnam almost a year before Charlies trial. I guess they still didn’t have enough on her to Tap her calls?

Possibly they learned their lesson and are watching W closer now.

 

[amicuscurie]

CA said he should have trusted his gut and left the country. DA & HA tried to flee. Why (if you don't mind me asking) would WA not be considering the same vein to avoid prosecution? I can not see the benefit of staying, getting arrested, huge legal expenses, trial and possibly being found guilty of being complicit in a murder for hire. (I wrote "possibly" because of hung jury, mistrial, meteor strike etc.)
Relistening to 6 hours of testimony and police station interviews of JLaCasse reaffirms (for me) she was a part of the plot. And being familiar with immigration issues probably more aware of weaknesses/vulnerabilities in border crossings by land, sea or air. Her money will go a lot further in some of the countries mentioned in earlier conversations.... Just my thoughts, g'night.

You could be right, I didn’t think of it that way. I don’t think she’d leave the boys. Might she be planning to flee with them?

I sure hope her passport is flagged and they are watching her.

ETA: if she were planning to flee, she might have done so already.