FL - FSU Law Professor Dan Markel Murdered by Hitmen *4 Guilty* #23

[Knitpicker]

@GoingRogue , yes I understand that point

1/ But am gonna have to disagree re that because taking liberties is an intentional act rather than mistaken belief
You posted that Jeff ..



2/ Do you still think Jeff gave false information re that specific topic of date of departure? ( Set aside any issue of what he believes or his intent)
Do you still think that...




Anyway, I tried to separate each item into separate WS posts so that they're easier for anybody to tackle or dispute.
As the saying goes ' ...keep me honest'

Overall going through all the Jeff videos?
Boring.
but obviously important. Taking 'liberties' on oath is important

While I have always thought that Jeff does some speculating and wondering during his police interviews when nobody knows the truth and the whole point is an investigation to explore the facts - but NB he's not under oath - like most of us would in his position, I don't see that the police interviews damaging his credibility as a trial witness.

Sorry, haven't yet had time to read anybody else's posts spring boarding off the back of my initial queries to GoingRogue, so apologies for that.

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second upside

Was good to review the tapes though - I've not watched them in years.

Reviewing the tapes was also a useful reminder re stuff I'd forgotten
eg JL tells Isom that when WA used to bemoan Tally and her being forced to be in Tally, she used to say she could only leave Tally if something happened to Danny. I'll leave that for a separate post for others to explore.

This may not be the right comment to respond to, but I went back over many of Mentours videos trying to find when Jeffrey spoke to Wendi about his plans to go to Tennessee, and I found a video where Mentour has a list for Jeffrey and its stated there that on June 10th, Jeffrey told Wendi he was going to Tennessee on July 18th at 11:00 AM.
Do not know the source where ML got that info.

“Markel Murder-Timeline of coincidences-so far” 10/2/2019 Mentour Lawyer
@ 43 second mark

 

[cottonweaver]

@Knitpicker ,
thanks
but just to save time, do you mean 2:45 when you say ' @:45 mark' or at 45 mins?

 

[Knitpicker]

@Knitpicker ,
thanks
but just to save time, do you mean 2:45 when you say ' @:45 mark' or at 45 mins?

43 seconds. I doubted myself when you asked lol
Theres a page that he has (moving around) so you may have to go a bit back. The page is on the screen for awhile Thx

 

[Knitpicker]

@Knitpicker ,
thanks
but just to save time, do you mean 2:45 when you say ' @:45 mark' or at 45 mins?

43 seconds lol.(actually you can see it starting at 6 seconds-page is jumping around and stays on the screen) I was right the first time!

 

[cottonweaver]

TPD interview from 22 July 2014, 8pm. ( Isom plus another LEO)
Greenbergs. ( Day after Dan's service, same day that the Adelsons leave Tally never to return)

Very interesting to finally see one of the full interviews with a couple who knew Dan Markel well.

' Show transcript ' has been enabled in case anybody finds it hard to follow.

 

[cottonweaver]

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TBH When I listened to it I just tried to focus on the Adelsons.
( All the other named people are adults and none of them killed anybody)

One item of many from that Greenberg interview:
As late as 2011 Dan was posting about 5 years of wedded bliss on Facebook ....but in reality Wendi's plotting her exit. ( WA wrote the book a year before the 2012 split)

So much secret plotting & deviousness and so many repeat themes:
- WA did the Pearl Harbour one month before DM's 40th birthday but had been sending invites for a 40th birthday event as if everything was cool.
- What does that remind you of? ( The trial link I posted yesterday where she's sending invites to her parents for child B's August birthday party in Tally even though the Adelsons know they won't be in Tally then)
- A contract killing as birthday gift for a 70th


Allegedly....

 

[Knitpicker]

TBH When I listened to it I just tried to focus on the Adelsons.
( All the other named people are adults and none of them killed anybody)

One item of many from that Greenberg interview:
As late as 2011 Dan was posting about 5 years of wedded bliss on Facebook ....but in reality Wendi's plotting her exit. ( WA wrote the book a year before the 2012 split)

So much secret plotting & deviousness and so many repeat themes:
- WA did the Pearl Harbour one month before DM's 40th birthday but had been sending invites for a 40th birthday event as if everything was cool.
- What does that remind you of? ( The trial link I posted yesterday where she's sending invites to her parents for child B's August birthday party in Tally even though the Adelsons know they won't be in Tally then)
- A contract killing as birthday gift for a 70th


Allegedly....

I am just surprised at how fast everyone got over the divorce. I’ll leave it at that.

Did you see that June 10th date and do you know where that information came from?

 

[cottonweaver]

Did you see that June 10th date and do you know where that information came from?

You've lost me. Is there a ref to June 10 in the Greenberg interview?

 

[cottonweaver]

I did think she would, but since DR is going with the theory that DA never visited CA on the 18th of July then I now no longer think she will. If she does there will be a big problem for her.

If the state don't have access to her 2014 AT&T records is it possible for them to triangulate her progress from Miami to Tallahassee? ( In order to prove that Donna did stop at Charlie's on night of 18th?)

 

[B4igo2it]

possibly, toll road receipts exist. I hope.

 

[Missyrocks5]

On Donna potentially claiming that text did not mean she was actually dropping the money off or stopping by his house, hopefully , any jury will see that they are trying to be too cute by half. Who would really believe that you are going to text someone that you are outside their house because you are driving by on the highway?

What is someone going to do because you're driving by on the highway that would make you text that to them? Ridiculous. But it certainly falls in line with the kind of contorted answers that Wendi gave in her testimony. Bobbing and weaving and torturing into ridiculous testimony, like saying after Dan filed the motion to have supervised visitation that she supposedly baked him a banana bread (from her non-kosher kitchen) and gave him a kiss on the cheek. Puhleeze. Adelsoning.

 

[Knitpicker]

You've lost me. Is there a ref to June 10 in the Greenberg interview?

re: JL telling her about the 7/18 trip- from earlier. The ML video I sent this AM

 

[amicuscurie]

If the state don't have access to her 2014 AT&T records is it possible for them to triangulate her progress from Miami to Tallahassee? ( In order to prove that Donna did stop at Charlie's on night of 18th?)

If I recall correctly I think that’s how they were able to tell what time they got to Orlando, or was there something else?

 

[amicuscurie]

possibly, toll road receipts exist. I hope.

That’s what Sunpass is.

 

[BobbieJ]

If I recall correctly I think that’s how they were able to tell what time they got to Orlando, or was there something else?

It was my understanding that LE had access to her phone and could pinpoint where she was at what time. "outside" CA's house at 8.59pm and arriving in Orlando at 1.29am. It's possible that the cell tower records will only show DA was in the area of CA's house as they are not that precise which would tie in with the defences theory DA and HA were simply passing by. But then they did not get to Orlando till 1.29?? It's not a 4.5 hour drive.

 

[amicuscurie]

It was my understanding that LE had access to her phone and could pinpoint where she was at what time. "outside" CA's house at 8.59pm and arriving in Orlando at 1.29am. It's possible that the cell tower records will only show DA was in the area of CA's house as they are not that precise which would tie in with the defences theory DA and HA were simply passing by. But then they did not get to Orlando till 1.29?? It's not a 4.5 hour drive.

Yes, I think if I recall correctly they can place her near his house, but the turnpike is also near his house so in theory they can’t tell the exact location. But I believe that arrival in Orlando at 1:29 is more consistent with having left Ft. Lauderdale later than 9pm.