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http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/10/facebook-chats-released-in-florida-cyberbullying-suicide-case/

Facebook chats released in Florida cyberbullying suicide case
Posted by Mandy Nagy
Friday, October 25, 2013 at 8:43pm


Snipped:
14 year old defendant: Cant believe Rebecca is dead , I thought they wouldn’t find the body

Friend: What r u talking about u thought they never find the body?

Ik she died but what u mean by that

Defendant: They found her body , I thought they weren’t they “think” its sewcide hope it stays that way.

Friend: Y u talking like that? What’s wrong with u

Defendant: No reason it was best for everyone that she went to hell , no one with ever know the truth

Snipped:
12 year old defendant: Why does everything have to *advertiser censored** up i feel like rebeccas dead cause of me if only i could say sorry

14 year old defendant: Iknow I feel so bad omg I feel like its all my fault for saying all that s*** to her omg I didn’t mean for nun diz to happen,” she told the 12 year old

Snipped:
In another chat with an unidentified friend, the 12 year old again expresses remorse, telling the friend, [sic] “Yea im bully i deserve to die i wish it was me and not her…Shes the only one i bullied and now i cant say sorry.”
 
Thanks for sharing your story about being bullied ebony...it's unfortunate, heartbreaking, the list goes on. That behavior needs to stop and kids need to have people fighting in their corner. Strong people that take a swift stance against this, like Grady Judd, but before the tragedy. I'm thankful this is national news...I hope Grady keeps the message going and Rebecca's story becomes the face of hope against bullying and new and harsher laws. I hope kids share their stories now instead of holding them in and get help. I'm so sad and heartbroken...and wish so much we would have done more while she were here.
 
The first quote you snipped makes it sound like GS murderer her-by her choice of language- they think it's suicide, hope it stays that way. And that she's surprised they found the body?

Uh huh. Reads that way to me, too. :eek:
 
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/23786967/2013/10/25/bullying-suspect-due-in-court

Judd, Baez spar over cyberbullying charges

"I think my client is just as much a victim in this case as she is a defendant," Baez told reporters. "Why is this child being thrust into the spotlight? Why is this child having to go to court with cameras following her? Why is the sheriff of the county stuffing her mug shot in front of all of the cameras?" said Baez.

"Mr. Baez, here's my message for you," Judd said. "Get over trying to show she didn't do something that she did and start trying to help that child so she's a productive citizen."

__________________________________________


Whyd didn't Baez say something to the court, to the Judge during the arraignment hearing about the mug shot?
Baez could always file a motion for a Gag Order if he wishes...but I have my doubts that he would

JUST A REMINDER

I remember during the Casey Anthony trial, the Prosecutors filed a motion for a Gag Order but Baez fought it...he said he would always side with the First Amendment.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/casey-anthonys-attorney-fights-states-gag-order-re/nJsCy/

Jose Baez squared of against very critical prosecutors, who want a gag order to protect Casey from her own attorney, basically begging the judge to shut Baez up.

"He's basically telling jurors, 'My client lied to the police.' That is not helpful to the defendant," prosecutor Jeff Ashton argued in court Tuesday.

Baez used case law to argue he could fight his case any way he wanted.
"The court, in Gentile v. Nevada, laid it out clearly that lawyers have First Amendment rights, too," Baez said.
 
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...nocent-triggers-epic-battle-with-sheriff-judd

Jose Baez insists 12-year-old accused bully is innocent; triggers epic battle with Sheriff Judd

Baez "She is a child and I'm not going to allow her to be bullied and I'm not going to allow the system to bully her."
"I have not seen anything that rises to the level of any criminal conduct, especially that of a felony," he said.

Just a few hours later, Sheriff Judd called a news conference to fire back.

"Good defense attorneys deny everything, admit nothing, and present counter claims," he said.

Sheriff Judd suggested the "flashy attorney from out of town" should get to work and go meet with the state attorney to work out the best deal for his client.
"I'll help him practice law a little bit here if he promises not to have the state attorney arrest me," Judd quipped.

--------------------------

Baez is trying to distance his client from the other one, G Shaw.
The 14yr old juvenile defendant's Attorney has NOT SAID A WORD, at least not yet.
 
Rebecca ran away from home in Nov of 2012?

http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories...iff-says-12-year-old-girl-jumped-to-her-death

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd says 12-year-old Rebecca Sedwick 'jumped to her death'
6:39 PM, Sep 12, 2013
Isabel Mascarenas


Snipped:
Judd offers this timeline:
* In November of 2012, Rebecca runs away from home, but returns.

* In December she's hospitalized for cutting herself. She blames it on bullying.

* Her mother files a bullying report with the school district.

* School officials say their investigation turns up nothing and they forward the mother's online bullying report to the Sheriff's Office on December 17.

* In January, deputies respond to Crystal Lake Middle for a disturbance involving Rebecca. School officials step in, hold mediation and change their schedules, separating the students in class.

* The next month Rebecca is removed from Crystal Lake Middle and home-schooled for the remainder of the year.

* Her mother closes her Facebook account.

* In August, Rebecca switches schools but the bullying continues online, unbeknownst to her family.

I didn't know of the December incident reporting

So there were 2 incidents reported to the Police regarding the bullying.

So were the parents of the defendant's totally unaware of what was going on? No one informed them of the incidents at school? I guess the investigation will uncover that information.
 
I didn't know of the December incident reporting

So there were 2 incidents reported to the Police regarding the bullying.

So were the parents of the defendant's totally unaware of what was going on? No one informed them of the incidents at school? I guess the investigation will uncover that information.

I read in one of the original articles that the police were contacted, or made aware of the situation, after the students had the fight at school. I also read that the school was only aware of the bullying & harassment done in school, that they didn't know abut the online stuff & other stuff outside of school. It's unfortunate bc had they known, they could have done more, maybe involved police on a different level, etc.
 
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...nocent-triggers-epic-battle-with-sheriff-judd

Jose Baez insists 12-year-old accused bully is innocent; triggers epic battle with Sheriff Judd

Baez "She is a child and I'm not going to allow her to be bullied and I'm not going to allow the system to bully her."
"I have not seen anything that rises to the level of any criminal conduct, especially that of a felony," he said.

Just a few hours later, Sheriff Judd called a news conference to fire back.

"Good defense attorneys deny everything, admit nothing, and present counter claims," he said.

Sheriff Judd suggested the "flashy attorney from out of town" should get to work and go meet with the state attorney to work out the best deal for his client.
"I'll help him practice law a little bit here if he promises not to have the state attorney arrest me," Judd quipped.

--------------------------

Baez is trying to distance his client from the other one, G Shaw.
The 14yr old juvenile defendant's Attorney has NOT SAID A WORD, at least not yet.

In a way I agree with Baez...but I also side with Judd. I'm not certain that in this case the girls should be treated equal to the way they treated Becca. I'd hate to see one of these teens commit suicide bc they can't stand not being able to fix this. My wish is that at least one of them, or even possibly both, turn their lives around, apologize to everyone that's been bullied, share their experience to help others learn the consequences before they're faced with the same issues, and to make a positive impact on change regarding bullying. Maybe something that could be done to curb bullying would be to figure out how and why a person chooses to bully another person. Find out if its something they've learned at home. Look into how these bullies view themselves. Do they love theirself? Or do they hate theirself? Help to repair them while at the same time help the victim. Idk, just thinking I guess.

I suffered some serious abuse as a kid, some of it was from home, some was from schoolmates. There were two bullies that were against me in school. Both grew up to tell me they had no idea it was that bad, yada yada. One of the girls spit on me whenever she saw me...all bc her best friend had a crush on a guy that asked me to Homecoming our 9th grade year. I had no idea this girl even liked this kid lol! So for 4 years I was spit on. Her dad was chief of police. I ran away constantly bc of my home life, which of course made my bullies speculate & bully me more. I had no recourse. I can't count the number of times I wished I'd just stop breathing when I was a teen. Anyway, years ago my ex-bully req me as a friend on FB. I pm'd her back and asked her why, is she serious right now lol, etc. She was confused, thought it was stupid stuff when we were kids. I actually talk to her now and she's very nice. Turns out she didn't have the best childhood and she did to others how she was treated at home, she learned by what she saw in her home life. My situation was different, my dad was horrible & I always knew I didn't want to be like him, so I wasn't. Her situation was different. It's how she was taught. She grew up. She apologized sincerely. She was completely stunned to learn that it had such a profound impact on me, especially so many years later, and she was ashamed. Now this woman would give the shirt off her back to anybody that needed it. Through her life as an adult she learned humiliation. With humiliation comes compassion. She's an amazing woman now, this same woman that was a bully to me as a kid, and I'm proud to know her.

All I'm suggesting is that maybe an eye for an eye isn't warranted in this particular case. That may sound crazy, I know, but I also believe there's a chance these girls feel bad, could learn from this, and could be part of a bigger change...a bigger positive change.

When I saw the video of Lupe's mom...whoa, first thing I thought to myself was 'no wonder'. The poor girl learned how to be like this from her very own family. That's not to say she gets a free pass, no way. So I'm wondering if part of her/their punishment could be to speak to classes about this, about bullying in general - from the perspective of the bully - to tell how they became the way they did, how they feel now, talk about how they can make a difference while knowing they can't 'fix' everything all better and how they now have to live with this for the rest of their lives.
 
In a way I agree with Baez...but I also side with Judd. I'm not certain that in this case the girls should be treated equal to the way they treated Becca. I'd hate to see one of these teens commit suicide bc they can't stand not being able to fix this. My wish is that at least one of them, or even possibly both, turn their lives around, apologize to everyone that's been bullied, share their experience to help others learn the consequences before they're faced with the same issues, and to make a positive impact on change regarding bullying. Maybe something that could be done to curb bullying would be to figure out how and why a person chooses to bully another person. Find out if its something they've learned at home. Look into how these bullies view themselves. Do they love theirself? Or do they hate theirself? Help to repair them while at the same time help the victim. Idk, just thinking I guess.

I suffered some serious abuse as a kid, some of it was from home, some was from schoolmates. There were two bullies that were against me in school. Both grew up to tell me they had no idea it was that bad, yada yada. One of the girls spit on me whenever she saw me...all bc her best friend had a crush on a guy that asked me to Homecoming our 9th grade year. I had no idea this girl even liked this kid lol! So for 4 years I was spit on. Her dad was chief of police. I ran away constantly bc of my home life, which of course made my bullies speculate & bully me more. I had no recourse. I can't count the number of times I wished I'd just stop breathing when I was a teen. Anyway, years ago my ex-bully req me as a friend on FB. I pm'd her back and asked her why, is she serious right now lol, etc. She was confused, thought it was stupid stuff when we were kids. I actually talk to her now and she's very nice. Turns out she didn't have the best childhood and she did to others how she was treated at home, she learned by what she saw in her home life. My situation was different, my dad was horrible & I always knew I didn't want to be like him, so I wasn't. Her situation was different. It's how she was taught. She grew up. She apologized sincerely. She was completely stunned to learn that it had such a profound impact on me, especially so many years later, and she was ashamed. Now this woman would give the shirt off her back to anybody that needed it. Through her life as an adult she learned humiliation. With humiliation comes compassion. She's an amazing woman now, this same woman that was a bully to me as a kid, and I'm proud to know her.

All I'm suggesting is that maybe an eye for an eye isn't warranted in this particular case. That may sound crazy, I know, but I also believe there's a chance these girls feel bad, could learn from this, and could be part of a bigger change...a bigger positive change.

When I saw the video of Lupe's mom...whoa, first thing I thought to myself was 'no wonder'. The poor girl learned how to be like this from her very own family. That's not to say she gets a free pass, no way. So I'm wondering if part of her/their punishment could be to speak to classes about this, about bullying in general - from the perspective of the bully - to tell how they became the way they did, how they feel now, talk about how they can make a difference while knowing they can't 'fix' everything all better and how they now have to live with this for the rest of their lives.
No one in the media or society is bullying this girl- this is all BS on the part of Jose Baez- defense attorney. He is just doing his job as he sees fit- just like he accused George Anthony of sexual assault without a shred of evidence, but the word of a proven liar.
 
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/fa...se/-/1637132/22632852/-/103x2ghz/-/index.html

Facebook chats released in girls' cyberbullying case
Florida girls charged with stalking after 12-year-old commits suicide
Published On: Oct 25 2013 01:18:06 PM EDT Updated On: Oct 25 2013 05:37:00 PM EDT


Chat transcript 1:
http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/22632790/data/1/-/7pgq80/-/Chats-in-cyberbullying-case.pdf

Cat transcript 2:
http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/vi.../7nu4vbz/-/Chats-in-cyberbullying-case-II.pdf

Chat transcript 3:
http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/22632798/data/1/-/ru8ch2/-/Chats-in-cyberbullying-III.pdf
 
JerseyGirl, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful post. Punishment only goes so far, and sometimes it has the opposite effect of what we want so I agree with you, wholeheartedly.

For anyone interested in this topic there is an amazing book called Odd Girl Out that I would recommend reading. The way girls bully is much, much different than the way boys bully. In retrospect, we hear much more, I think, about girls committing suicide over bullying- don't we? Or is it just me?
 
No one in the media or society is bullying this girl- this is all BS on the part of Jose Baez- defense attorney. He is just doing his job as he sees fit- just like he accused George Anthony of sexual assault without a shred of evidence, but the word of a proven liar.

Actually, people are bullying them all over the Internet in comments, on Facebook, various social media, etc. I've read some pretty horrible things that have actually made me cringe, even though I can understand why somebody would feel that way. My initial reaction was mostly the same, but then I saw the video of Lupe's mom beating her brothers and I heard laughing in the background, which says to me there's alot of desensitizing going on with those kids. I'm not saying these girls don't deserve some of the things being said, but considering I'm such a sucker for helping somebody, it just makes me feel uneasy. I haven't seen anything horrible here at all, especially compared to the comments sections of multiple online articles. I know Baez is just doing his job, as well as Judd. & as far as Kaitlyn is concerned, I've heard the old adage that the best way to get rid of a bully is to make them your friend - I wonder if that's what she was taught. :(
 
JerseyGirl, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful post. Punishment only goes so far, and sometimes it has the opposite effect of what we want so I agree with you, wholeheartedly.

For anyone interested in this topic there is an amazing book called Odd Girl Out that I would recommend reading. The way girls bully is much, much different than the way boys bully. In retrospect, we hear much more, I think, about girls committing suicide over bullying- don't we? Or is it just me?

I just noted this book in my notepad. I'll go to our public library tomorrow to see if they have it. Thank you sooo much.

Yeah, I think you're right about suicide stats being up on bullying. I wonder how many of those child suicides were done by kids that believe in a higher power.
 
I'm just curious - where did she use Facebook, did they have a computer at home, but no bed for the child?
 
This dear sweet girl. Gosh, I feel so sad for what she endured.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/20/justice/rebecca-sedwick-bullying-death/

Mom of dead Florida teen sends birthday message, promises to fight bullying
By AnneClaire Stapleton and Holly Yan, CNN
updated 4:07 PM EDT, Mon October 21, 2013


Snipped:
In November 2012, the bullying began, Judd said, and it expanded beyond the initial tensions between the two girls.

Police arrested a second suspect accused of intensely bullying Rebecca, and they also confiscated the laptops and cell phones of 15 girls at Crystal Lake Middle School, which Rebecca had attended.

They found a barrage of horrible messages:
"nobody cares about u"
"i hate u"
"you seriously deserve to die"

Rebecca apparently gave up on herself, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said. "Rebecca wasn't attacking back. She appeared to be beat down."
 
I'm just curious - where did she use Facebook, did they have a computer at home, but no bed for the child?

I thought police searched her cellphone & that's where they found the social media accounts that her mother didn't know about. I read that Becca messaged a kid from NC that she met online that she couldn't take it anymore & was jumping. It was also mentioned that her books & cellphone were found hidden under blankets or clothes, something like that. Plus her mother said she had Becca's number changed after the initial bullying was extended to texts, etc. so she definitely had a cellphone with net access or capabilities. I don't know if she had a computer or not.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/us/rebecca-sedwick-bullying-suicide-case/

Charges in Rebecca Sedwick's suicide suggest 'tipping point' in bullying cases
By Michael Martinez, CNN
updated 3:17 PM EDT, Fri October 25, 2013


Snipped:
Baez described Kaitlyn as a "remarkable child" who feels "absolutely horrible for what happened to Rebecca," he said.

Kaitlyn is now suspended from school and is in home confinement, Baez said.

"She was an A and B student from kindergarten all the way up to 7th grade, and this is, she is not what her mugshot or what the headlines are portraying her to be. She is a child, and I'm not going to allow her to be bullied and I'm not going to allow the system to bully her," Baez said. "We plan on fighting this thing until the very end.

"I do want people to know is that Guadalupe Shaw is different than Kaitlyn Roman. It's that simple. They're two different people. The statements, the postings that I've heard mentioned are not attributable to Kaitlyn," Baez added.
 
JerseyGirl, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful post. Punishment only goes so far, and sometimes it has the opposite effect of what we want so I agree with you, wholeheartedly.

For anyone interested in this topic there is an amazing book called Odd Girl Out that I would recommend reading. The way girls bully is much, much different than the way boys bully. In retrospect, we hear much more, I think, about girls committing suicide over bullying- don't we? Or is it just me?

There have been boys who have committed suicide, but it does seem to be girls more based on what I have seen in the news media. The more highly publicized case were girls.

I notice the motive for these bullying incidence is usually envy, which is also a common motive in rampage killings.

Murderous Envy
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/200905/murderous-envy

I suspect many of these people who bully or killers driven by envy have some deep seated shame and are severely repressed. People who are severely repressed may have strong urges, which can turn violent. I notice people driven by envy are often immature.
 

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