FL - Ibragim Todashev Shooting Incident, Orlando, 22 May 2013

[CARIIS]

Said it before, I'll say it again, you only look like an idiot if you feel like an idiot. The whole world does not have that same opinion that you do.

Good point - that is true about anything huh!

 

[Elley Mae]

Respectfully, in the recent past, some of the links you posted were deemed to be either conspiracy sites, or were sites containing pornographic material, and they were removed.

As a result, I'm more than hesitant to click on any of the links you provide, as I don't want my computer to be infected with viruses, nor do I want my temporary internet files to store *advertiser censored* pages or cookies to *advertiser censored* pages.

ETA: I have a robust anti-virus program, but I still don't want to expose my computer to unwarranted risk.

bbm Same here, all the time I have been here and those are the only ones.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yeh, we have not heard anything about their relationship, but I could understand his dismay when he saw the pics of his kid with all those bullets in him, and had by that point heard that noone has a clue what his kid had in his hand that was so lethal-- had to be hard.

Heard no one has a clue?
Are you serious?

The FBI knows exactly what he had in his hand.

I don't know why that's not getting through. THEY KNOW.

We don't know because it hasn't been released yet. But THEY KNOW.

You keep referring to the multiple changes in the story early on by UNNAMED UNOFFICIAL sources and the media rushing to get headlines.

If you think the FBI doesn't know exactly what he had, I just don't know what more to say.

It's very simple.

Just because WE don't know, does not mean THEY don't know.

 

[sorrell skye]

the FBI shot and killed the individual in self defense

But we dont know that yet - we have to wait for the "internal report".

If I'm an FBI agent, and I'm questioning someone (with a known violent history) regarding a triple murder, and if that person with a known violent history suddenly throws a table at me during questioning, or reaches for and/or grabs an unidentified weapon of any kind (regardless of the potential lethal force of the unidentified weapon), I'm going to take whatever action necessary to protect myself and my fellow colleague(s) at the scene.

I'm not going to think about why this guy is throwing the table at me, neither will I waste time pondering the possible reactions of an ignorant donkey who sometimes pulls a turnip cart or who grazes lazily in a pasture on most days without a care in the world, who may later complain about how unfairly donkeys are allegedly treated. No - I'm thinking I need to protect my life and my colleague(s) life, as I've been trained to do.

If I'm an FBI agent, and I'm questioning someone with a known violent history, and if that person becomes violent towards me or my colleague(s), you better believe that I WILL take aggressive action to protect not only my life, but the life of my colleague(s).

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If I'm an FBI agent, and I'm questioning someone (with a known violent history) regarding a triple murder, and if that person with a known violent history suddenly throws a table at me during questioning, or reaches for and/or grabs an unidentified weapon of any kind (regardless of the potential lethal force of the unidentified weapon), I'm going to take whatever action necessary to protect myself and my fellow colleague(s) at the scene.

I'm not going to think about why this guy is throwing the table at me, neither will I waste time pondering the possible reactions of an ignorant donkey who sometimes pulls a turnip cart or who grazes lazily in a pasture on most days without a care in the world, who may later complain about how unfairly donkeys are allegedly treated. No - I'm thinking I need to protect my life and my colleague(s) life, as I've been trained to do.

If I'm an FBI agent, and I'm questioning someone with a known violent history, and if that person becomes violent towards me or my colleague(s), you better believe that I WILL take aggressive action to protect not only my life, but the life of my colleague(s).

And that's how it should be. Every time.

He caused his death by attacking a federal agent. Period.

 

[Capri]

Heard no one has a clue?
Are you serious?

The FBI knows exactly what he had in his hand.

I don't know why that's not getting through. THEY KNOW.

We don't know because it hasn't been released yet. But THEY KNOW.

You keep referring to the multiple changes in the story early on by UNNAMED UNOFFICIAL sources and the media rushing to get headlines.

If you think the FBI doesn't know exactly what he had, I just don't know what more to say.

It's very simple.

Just because WE don't know, does not mean THEY don't know.

BBM. And I'm totally fine with not knowing until they are ready to release it, whether it is bc it would compromise the investigation, or just because...Would we like to know now? sure, but we don't make the rules, they do, and that's ok. (I'll get off my soapbox now)

 

[CARIIS]

If I'm an FBI agent, and I'm questioning someone (with a known violent history) regarding a triple murder, and if that person with a known violent history suddenly throws a table at me during questioning, or reaches for and/or grabs an unidentified weapon of any kind (regardless of the potential lethal force of the unidentified weapon), I'm going to take whatever action necessary to protect myself and my fellow colleague(s) at the scene.

I'm not going to think about why this guy is throwing the table at me, neither will I waste time pondering the possible reactions of an ignorant donkey who sometimes pulls a turnip cart or who grazes lazily in a pasture on most days without a care in the world, who may later complain about how unfairly donkeys are allegedly treated. No - I'm thinking I need to protect my life and my colleague(s) life, as I've been trained to do.

If I'm an FBI agent, and I'm questioning someone with a known violent history, and if that person becomes violent towards me or my colleague(s), you better believe that I WILL take aggressive action to protect not only my life, but the life of my colleague(s).

I have no issue, never have , with the officer shooting. My thing is the silliness that went on afterwards.

Now, do I have conerns about over kill, not trying a less lethal way first.

That is the core deal. NOw do I think mistakes were made . Yes! Were all human but lets relase an honest tturhtful account of what happened

thats it now we dont know if he made a mistake, I hate to say this guys but it could turn out he is found unjustifiable.

Lots of folks seem to be, IMO, taking for granted, (cause we all have intense feelings about this,) that there certainly IS a very real possibility he will be faulted formally from review team - IMo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I have no issue, never have , with the officer shooting. My thing is the silliness that went on afterwards.

Now, do I have conerns about over kill, not trying a less lethal way first.

That is the core deal. NOw do I think mistakes were made . Yes! Were all human but lets relase an honest tturhtful account of what happened

thats it now we dont know if he made a mistake, I hate to say this guys but it could turn out he is found unjustifiable.

Lots of folks seem to be, IMO, taking for granted, (cause we all have intense feelings about this,) that there certainly IS a very real possibility he will be faulted formally from review team - IMo

They are trying to investigate so they can release an honest truthful ACCURATE account.

What you call silliness was unnamed unofficial sources speaking on anonymity because they were not AUTHORIZED to speak. Who were they? Do they even have connections to the FBI?
Nobody knows. Because they didn't give their names.

The FBI hasn't shown any silliness. Their only official statement can be found in post #1 of this thread.
You will find nothing silly there.

I don't know if you are just not understanding how unnamed sources and quick draw media works or you are just ignoring the facts.

As far as overkill, NOPE. You shoot til they stop and if you are shooting to save your life, you shoot to kill.

 

[sorrell skye]

I have no issue, never have , with the officer shooting. My thing is the silliness that went on afterwards.

Now, do I have conerns about over kill, not trying a less lethal way first.

That is the core deal. NOw do I think mistakes were made . Yes! Were all human but lets relase an honest tturhtful account of what happened

thats it now we dont know if he made a mistake, I hate to say this guys but it could turn out he is found unjustifiable.

Lots of folks seem to be, IMO, taking for granted, (cause we all have intense feelings about this,) that there certainly IS a very real possibility he will be faulted formally from review team - IMo

Cariis - I truly appreciate your zeal for government transparency. I want the same. A true democratic government is only as good as it's ability to be accountable to its electorate.

Here's the thing: when any LE officer is approaching/apprehending/interviewing a subject (especially a known violent subject), that officer has the legal right to use whatever appropriate force deemed necessary to protect themselves or their colleague(s) when the subject exerts a physical threat against the officer's or their colleague(s) safety or life.

 

[4MYGUYS]

And that's how it should be. Every time.

He caused his death by attacking a federal agent. Period.

I think he chose to die this way too, as opposed to rotting in an American prison for the murders in Waltham. I think they had him for those deaths and he knew it.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I think he chose to die this way too, as opposed to rotting in an American prison for the murders in Waltham. I think they had him for those deaths and he knew it.

I agree. I think he knew they had him on those murders and when he asked to do the interview at his apartment instead, he knew he wasn't coming out alive. Because IMO he wasn't going to let them arrest him.
I think it was planned.

And I guess he got what he wanted. A bunch of conspiracy theorists and people who hate our government spewing about how corrupt and untrustworthy our government is.
And let's not forget about the radicals.
He fueled the fire. I think it was planned that way.
I think that's why his friend got the feeling he would never see IT again.

All my opinion.

 

[Elley Mae]

I agree. I think he knew they had him on those murders and when he asked to do the interview at his apartment instead, he knew he wasn't coming out alive. Because IMO he wasn't going to let them arrest him.
I think it was planned.

And I guess he got what he wanted. A bunch of conspiracy theorists and people who hate our government spewing about how corrupt and untrustworthy our government is.
And let's not forget about the radicals.
He fueled the fire. I think it was planned that way.
I think that's why his friend got the feeling he would never see IT again.

All my opinion.

Thank you for a very sensible/logical post, what I like to call sensical.

I do believe that is why he would not go in and had them come to him. It would not surprise me to learn that because he wouldn't go in they sent extra/backup knowing the back ground he had in fighting.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I have no issue, never have , with the officer shooting. My thing is the silliness that went on afterwards.

Now, do I have conerns about over kill, not trying a less lethal way first.

That is the core deal. NOw do I think mistakes were made . Yes! Were all human but lets relase an honest tturhtful account of what happened

thats it now we dont know if he made a mistake, I hate to say this guys but it could turn out he is found unjustifiable.

Lots of folks seem to be, IMO, taking for granted, (cause we all have intense feelings about this,) that there certainly IS a very real possibility he will be faulted formally from review team - IMo

But yet you continually blame the FBI for the silliness, when in fact it's the media reporting different scenarios. It has been pointed out many times, but there is no moving forward it seems.

I think you have made your point on how you feel about the method that was used by the agent to protect himself. The point has been made for pages and pages. My opinion differs. I stated that as well. I don't need to continue to state the same thing over and over.

Can we move forward now since it has been discussed a zillion times....????

I can't think of a single thing left to say about those two subjects that hasn't already been said until more information is released.

 

[4MYGUYS]

I agree. I think he knew they had him on those murders and when he asked to do the interview at his apartment instead, he knew he wasn't coming out alive. Because IMO he wasn't going to let them arrest him.
I think it was planned.

And I guess he got what he wanted. A bunch of conspiracy theorists and people who hate our government spewing about how corrupt and untrustworthy our government is.
And let's not forget about the radicals.
He fueled the fire. I think it was planned that way.
I think that's why his friend got the feeling he would never see IT again.

All my opinion.

:cheers:Great post, sums it up pretty well. He was a professional fighter, he knew exactly what the odds were when he attacked. His buddies had already gone down and he was going with them. I bet he was sweating that day happening as soon as the first bomb went off in Boston.

 

[tezi]

:cheers:Great post, sums it up pretty well. He was a professional fighter, he knew exactly what the odds were when he attacked. His buddies had already gone down and he was going with them. I bet he was sweating that day happening as soon as the first bomb went off in Boston.

BBM: I am inclined to think you are right, 4MYGUYS!

 

[SophieRose]

:cheers:Great post, sums it up pretty well. He was a professional fighter, he knew exactly what the odds were when he attacked. His buddies had already gone down and he was going with them. I bet he was sweating that day happening as soon as the first bomb went off in Boston.

It was not said that he was tied to the bombings, only Waltham murders.

 

[SophieRose]

Thank you. If he left in 2008 then he must have immediately applied for asylum?

Have to apply for a asylum within one year of coming into the USA, so he came 2007 or 2008.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston

Todashev was granted political asylum in 2008, but he came to the United States some time before that, a federal law enforcement official told CNN. Todashev had been living in the United States as a legal resident because of that asylum claim

I think the 3-5 year process must be when they apply from outside the USA. Hard to believe they would allow them to stay that long to determine their status.
http://news.cincinnati.com/usatoday/article/2097065

About 70% of the Chechen immigrants are women, Howard says. Very few men are granted asylum because of U.S. anti-terrorism policies and because Russia often protests when ethnic Chechens try to settle in the U.S., he said. The U.S. admitted only 197 refugees from all of Russia in 2012.

"This family is a very rare episode. Very few make it here, even fewer get green cards," Howard said. The Jamestown Foundation has testified on behalf of several ethnic Chechens who have applied for asylum in the United States, which is typically a three- to five-year process. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining suspect in the Boston marathon bombing, is a naturalized U.S. citizen.

 

[CARIIS]

But yet you continually blame the FBI for the silliness, when in fact it's the media reporting different scenarios. It has been pointed out many times, but there is no moving forward it seems.

I think you have made your point on how you feel about the method that was used by the agent to protect himself. The point has been made for pages and pages. My opinion differs. I stated that as well. I don't need to continue to state the same thing over and over.

Can we move forward now since it has been discussed a zillion times....????

I can't think of a single thing left to say about those two subjects that hasn't already been said until more information is released.

Yeh, I am there too - we all have our opinions and we all know how we all feel - I concur time to move forward!

 

[Capri]

Can you give me an example of when I did that? Never an intent to do so - pls show me so I can learn.

TIA .

Not to be rude, but if you want to check all your links, here ya go:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=7296215

again no offense intended just no time to do this

 

[Just K]

I'm posting to my own post, but adding to that last post, I wonder why Todashev felt so entitled. Seems like he didn't feel like he had to play by the same rules as the rest of us do. If the FBI calls me and tells me to come to their office, you betcha I'm gonna be there!

...either that or run for the hills but to be demanding or offensive...not an option, IMO.