Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #10

[Mack the Knife]

I had sort of the same thoughts as all of you above, and found this document on Code-3 designation from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department, which is the responding department: https://ocsheriff.gov/sites/ocsd/files/2021-03/Policy 316 Response to Calls.pdf

My interpretation is that it’s less about lights and sirens than it is about emergency vs. non-emergency, ie. responding immediately or not. I would guess that the Sheriff’s dept. has unofficial norms for what qualifies as Code-3 or not, and it seems both these deputies would have expected this to be a Code-3. If I heard the audio correctly, the text+subtext would be something like this:

Body cam deputy - The family of the girl has been calling since I don’t know when—can you check? Why wasn’t this prioritized so we’d get called here earlier?
Vehicle deputy - The first call to report her missing was at 16:39. I also don’t know why this wasn’t prioritized.​

A lot of us had the question of why deputies didn’t get there until night time or why it took three 911 calls. It seems the answer might be that, for whatever reason, the dispatcher did not consider the calls to be Code-3. If I recall correctly, some of the 911 calls even mentioned that all the deputies were busy at that time.

 

[wcsleuth]

I’m not the OP but I pointed out this very interesting conversation in a previous thread.

The one deputy is asking the other deputy what time the mother called in to report her daughter missing. I am only assuming here — but it seems that her call wasn’t coded as an emergency by the dispatcher and that’s why there was a delayed response by LE. IOW, the deputy is questioning why the mom’s call wasn’t coded as an emergency when it first came in.

ETA: I was never able to discern the second deputy’s response to his question.

The deputies assumed the mom called, but it was actually the sister who called twice and then Jen's mother to relay the urgency of the matter. It doesn't appear that JS ever called 911 to report her daughter was missing.

I thought it was interesting when the initial dispatcher asked what Maddie was last seen wearing (around 3:40 mark), she specifically asks for the color of shirt and pants. Jen's sister asks "Jen, um, what color shirt and - like what was she last wearing?" There's some talking in the background but no quick reply to the question, so the sister says "Hold on. We're finding out." About a minute later she responds with "a dark green hoodie," but there's no mention of the color of pants.

Why the delay? (Just like the delay JS had finding a picture of Maddie on her phone.) And why no mention of the pants color when Jen was adamant about MS wearing "black shorts" - even overruling SS, who said Maddie was wearing blue pants - when police arrived?

Why did Jen did not place the call herself, instead putting her sister in the odd position of relaying information from JS, who had been fed info from SS. (Telephone game)

At the 5:50 mark, the dispatcher asks if Maddie has a cell phone on her. The sister replies, "She doesn't, she had one but she left it at home..." She says something after this but I can't make it out. Does anyone know?

 

[Gemmie]

At the 5:50 mark, the dispatcher asks if Maddie has a cell phone on her. The sister replies, "She doesn't, she had one but she left it at home..." She says something after this but I can't make it out. Does anyone know?

I think it was determined that she said "conveniently today"

 

[Mack the Knife]

The deputies assumed the mom called, but it was actually the sister who called twice and then Jen's mother to relay the urgency of the matter. It doesn't appear that JS ever called 911 to report her daughter was missing.

I thought it was interesting when the initial dispatcher asked what Maddie was last seen wearing (around 3:40 mark), she specifically asks for the color of shirt and pants. Jen's sister asks "Jen, um, what color shirt and - like what was she last wearing?" There's some talking in the background but no quick reply to the question, so the sister says "Hold on. We're finding out." About a minute later she responds with "a dark green hoodie," but there's no mention of the color of pants.

Why the delay? (Just like the delay JS had finding a picture of Maddie on her phone.) And why no mention of the pants color when Jen was adamant about MS wearing "black shorts" - even overruling SS, who said Maddie was wearing blue pants - when police arrived?

Why did Jen did not place the call herself, instead putting her sister in the odd position of relaying information from JS, who had been fed info from SS. (Telephone game)

At the 5:50 mark, the dispatcher asks if Maddie has a cell phone on her. The sister replies, "She doesn't, she had one but she left it at home..." She says something after this but I can't make it out. Does anyone know?

Have any officials confirmed that those three calls that were released were the only 911 calls, or that JS did not call 911 From notes I had on the three 911 calls, in the second released call, the caller says they’ve already called 911 three times. That always implied to me that there could have been calls that were not released.

On the delay of finding a picture of Maddie on her phone: This was actually my first time watching any of the body cam footage, including the deputy asking JS for a photo. My read on what is shown in the body cam footage is that she was frantic and looking for a “good” photo to use. Once she pulls one up, she asks the deputy if it’s okay or if they need a full body photo. I’ve seen plenty of crappy missing persons photos—way outdated, photos taken of a photo on a screen, weird facial expression—and it seemed to me like JS could have been looking for a representative photo of MS that would be helpful for strangers, not the first photo she could find.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm going with it being her body when the news was fresh, not after he's had time to think and come up with excuses. ALL MOO!!!!! Here it is as I had it handy.

UPDATED: March 4, 2024 at 3:52 p.m.

The photo was of a body wearing a green top and blue jeans lying beneath a mound of brush, and appeared to have been posted to López’s Instagram page on Saturday along with images of a community event for seniors hosted by the sheriff. The photo was posted a day after the corpse of 13-year-old Madeline Soto was found in rural St. Cloud by Osceola County Sheriff’s Office search teams.

More info here: Osceola sheriff apologizes after posting photo of dead body on Instagram

RBBM
Blue jeans? What happened to the black shorts SS and JS have said, and was it ever made official that MS was in blue jeans?

If she left the house in a green sweatshirt and black shorts, when and who changed her into blue jeans?

MOO

 

[Megnut]

RBBM
Blue jeans? What happened to the black shorts SS and JS have said, and was it ever made official that MS was in blue jeans?

If she left the house in a green sweatshirt and black shorts, when and who changed her into blue jeans?

MOO

That would be one BIG reason he returned to her body, to fix the clothing error. Planned to change her into shorts but then wasn't able to for some reason?

The greatest injustice in this case is that SS is alive and MS isn't.

 

[ttjo]

That would be one BIG reason he returned to her body, to fix the clothing error. Planned to change her into shorts but then wasn't able to for some reason?

The greatest injustice in this case is that SS is alive and MS isn't.

Thats what I wondered, maybe rigor?

 

[Megnut]

Thats what I wondered, maybe rigor?

I wondered about that too, timing wise... somewhere close to 24 hours after death. I'd think, in full rigor, it would be impossible-- without breaking bones-- to get jeans off a body without scissors. Which he maybe realized too late he didn't have with him. So he gave up. Too hard.

He is, after all, supremely lazy.

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

RBBM
Blue jeans? What happened to the black shorts SS and JS have said, and was it ever made official that MS was in blue jeans?

If she left the house in a green sweatshirt and black shorts, when and who changed her into blue jeans?

MOO

SS had said "blue or black pants". JS corrected him saying black shorts.

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There's been a lot of discussion here whether or not JS said black shorts because it was Monday and that's likely what she normally wore, or if she actually saw her and was indeed wearing black shorts like she said. Then came the data dump and that was answered in an interview with JS. I'm in the camp that thinks she removed from the house wearing the blue jeans she was found in.

Pg 32: I asked JS if she visually observed Maddie on the morning of February 26, 2024, to which she stated "No". I asked if she had heard her and she stated she heard people in the kitchen but was not sure if it was her specifically.

 

[Gemmie]

Something is nagging my mind about this. Wasn't JS's bedroom downstairs and the rest upstairs? A partitioned off area in this small townhouse with this many people living/staying there seems odd, especially considering it was in the living room area I believe? Did the renters not utilize the living room area or the kitchen at all?

I found the clip showing people hanging out in the living room when off looking for the clip about blue jeans or black shorts.

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[ttjo]

I found the clip showing people hanging out in the living room when off looking for the clip about blue jeans or black shorts.

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yes, I noticed that many of the clips dont show it, they blur that girl out,

 

[wcsleuth]

Have any officials confirmed that those three calls that were released were the only 911 calls, or that JS did not call 911 From notes I had on the three 911 calls, in the second released call, the caller says they’ve already called 911 three times. That always implied to me that there could have been calls that were not released.

On the delay of finding a picture of Maddie on her phone: This was actually my first time watching any of the body cam footage, including the deputy asking JS for a photo. My read on what is shown in the body cam footage is that she was frantic and looking for a “good” photo to use. Once she pulls one up, she asks the deputy if it’s okay or if they need a full body photo. I’ve seen plenty of crappy missing persons photos—way outdated, photos taken of a photo on a screen, weird facial expression—and it seemed to me like JS could have been looking for a representative photo of MS that would be helpful for strangers, not the first photo she could find.

The last call was made by JS’ mom. I thought when she said “we already called three times” that there would be four calls in total. But she may have been mistaken. It looks like there were only three calls in total, with the initial call coming from Jen’s sister, who made it clear she was calling for Jen.

“Yes, on behalf of the mother,” the sister says. “She’s right here.”

As for Jen not being able to give a quick reply to what Maddie was last wearing, Jen genuinely probably didn’t know since she didn’t see MS that morning. The green hoodie must’ve been relayed to Jen by SS or it was something Maddie always wore. In regards to the picture of MS, there were about 3 hours from the time that first 911 call was placed to the time the deputies arrived. You’d think that would be enough time to have a photo of MS at the ready. But it seems JS was caught completely off guard. MOO

 

[wcsleuth]

22 more PDFs released

 

[Mack the Knife]

22 more PDFs released

Looks like these weren't from the State Attorney's office, as the other doc dumps were. I've requested records from North Port Police Department, and I believe that legally they aren't allowed to charge for just the act of sharing records (vs. the cost of redacting them, etc.), so hopefully there will be no cost. If I'm able to get them (for free), I'll upload them to Scribd and share.

 

[photographer4]

Looks like these weren't from the State Attorney's office, as the other doc dumps were. I've requested records from North Port Police Department, and I believe that legally they aren't allowed to charge for just the act of sharing records (vs. the cost of redacting them, etc.), so hopefully there will be no cost. If I'm able to get them (for free), I'll upload them to Scribd and share.

Thank you!!

 

[MollyDDD]

Looks like these weren't from the State Attorney's office, as the other doc dumps were. I've requested records from North Port Police Department, and I believe that legally they aren't allowed to charge for just the act of sharing records (vs. the cost of redacting them, etc.), so hopefully there will be no cost. If I'm able to get them (for free), I'll upload them to Scribd and share.

Thank you Mackey!

 

[MollyDDD]

I found the clip showing people hanging out in the living room when off looking for the clip about blue jeans or black shorts.

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Ya know, just watching this again, imo, she is lying. There is no way in H*ll, a mother, whose child has been missing all day, is standing there, in a defensive stance and speaking so matter of factly to LE. No way, Jose.
She is not showing any genuine emotions, zero. It’s almost less emotional than if she was talking a lost dog! She’s cold and calculating and I cannot imagine what the hold up is with arresting her too.

 

[photographer4]

DBM

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Ya know, just watching this again, imo, she is lying. There is no way in H*ll, a mother, whose child has been missing all day, is standing there, in a defensive stance and speaking so matter of factly to LE. No way, Jose.
She is not showing any genuine emotions, zero. It’s almost less emotional than if she was talking a lost dog! She’s cold and calculating and I cannot imagine what the hold up is with arresting her too.

As far as the rules specific to this case on WS go, we are allowed to discuss JS's mental health, as she has talked about it herself on her social media.
I do not see the cold and calculating person you say you see. I see someone who has mental health struggles, including social anxiety, anxiety and more. Knowing she has mental health differences, I can see that her behaviour is expected of her.
It is so strange that two separate people can view someone's behaviour so differently. I appreciate having a different view. It is grounding, yet I still feel that JS was not involved in any harm to MS. The fact that she has not been arrested or even stated as POI just adds to my feelings on this. If she is ever arrested and we are shown evidence of any wrongdoing, I will rethink, obviously.

 

[Poedelini]

As far as the rules specific to this case on WS go, we are allowed to discuss JS's mental health, as she has talked about it herself on her social media.
I do not see the cold and calculating person you say you see. I see someone who has mental health struggles, including social anxiety, anxiety and more. Knowing she has mental health differences, I can see that her behaviour is expected of her.
It is so strange that two separate people can view someone's behaviour so differently. I appreciate having a different view. It is grounding, yet I still feel that JS was not involved in any harm to MS. The fact that she has not been arrested or even stated as POI just adds to my feelings on this. If she is ever arrested and we are shown evidence of any wrongdoing, I will rethink, obviously.

It is kind of a grey area but in my opinion she was indirectly responsible for the harm that was inflicted on MS over the years and at the end. Jmo