Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #11

[Pruddennce]

IDK about plausible deniability plausible deniability
sort of like if the owner of a massage parlour claims he doesnt know if there is any more going on behind those doors. (Its like ya know...)
or
what about Mores: scroll down and it will give you a definition 1.3. Social Norms: Folkways, Mores, Taboo, and Laws – SOU-CCJ230 Introduction to the American Criminal Justice System
Like we just know by social "mores" that we dont usually wear hot pink to a funeral and we dont let our daughters sleep with our ex boyfriends who are in town for a visit. if nothing else, just boundaries alone, why try to foster that connection ?
None of it makes sense, they broke up cause he was messy, ( allegedly according to jenn) then he went back home because he was offered a job, but it fell through, dad tells a different version of why it didnt work out, and why he came back home. Now in the back of that police car jenn says they are trying to get him back there ( hence reapply for Disney) it's not like much has changed since he left. still messy , still unemployed. She also said ( same police car chatter) when he went back home they talked every day and all day sometimes on FaceTime? Talk about mixed messages. when I hear about the face time, makes me wonder if it was to make sure maddi never let the cat out of the bag. SS always present, on a screen , even if not talking.

OMG, forgot about that tidbit in the vehicle audio....and....asked if Madeline's relationship with SS changed, being a teenager now....JS's answer: 'no, if anything they are closer since he moved away.'

noticed in the doc release page 73

https://www.scribd.com/document/761306492/24001896-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder#:~:text=On%20April%2030,medical%20records.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Seattle1]

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Court TV is currently playing highlights from SS police interviews and his details about everybody but himself are so telling.

For example, MS is would "forget her head if not screwed on her body" (excuse for MS not having her phone). When asked if MS was taking Rx for this "severe ADHD," SS blames her grandparents-- MS was staying with them earlier and "they are not good" at helping MS manage her Rx...

And on and on...

I'm recalling how SS also had his parents 2 steps from their graves (i.e., aged, ill, and infirmed).

 

[sunspun]

I'm recalling how SS also had his parents 2 steps from their graves (i.e., aged, ill, and infirmed).

And making their "end-of-life plans" or something to that effect!
Still can't get over that. Especially now that we've seen and heard plenty from his dad, who is nowhere near infirm. No one would even call him elderly, imo.

 

[Mack the Knife]

I don't think I remember this article being shared before.... Orlando Sentinel asked Kissimmee PD about the unnamed LE sources saying that there were no plans to charge JS: Kissimmee police: No plans to charge anyone else in killing of Madeline Soto

Kissimmee police say they’ve completed their investigation into the killing of 13-year-old Madeline Soto and, at least for now, don’t plan to charge anyone else besides Stephan Sterns, who’s accused of murder and years of sexual abuse.

Police Department spokeswoman Alibeth Suarez told the Orlando Sentinel on Tuesday: “We don’t have charges for anyone else in this case at this time.” Suarez was responding to a WFTV report citing anonymous sources claiming police don’t intend to make further arrests.

The statement appears to clarify that Madeline’s mother, Jennifer Soto, is not now suspected of criminal wrongdoing. An Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office spokesman did not say if the office intends to pursue additional charges.

“The current evidence and information support the indictment of Sterns for first-degree murder,” Jason Gunn said by email.

I sure wish we had the actual emails and full statements here (again). I'd really like to know if Kissimmee PD used the word "completed" to refer to their investigation.

If Kissimmee PD said "we've completed our investigation into the killing of 13-year-old Madeline Soto and, at least for now, don't plan to charge anyone else besides Stephan Sterns," I would take that to mean that they do not believe JS or anyone other than SS to be criminally involved in MS's death, but don't want to speak in absolutes if some extraordinary evidence makes itself known. This would also leave open the possibility that they may be investigating further into the abuse, and the abuse may lead to further arrests. But without their actual wording, who knows.

But I suppose it's good to have something on the record, directly from law enforcement.

Also, this article weirdly does not state who Jason Gunn is, but there is a Jason Gunn who is the Public Information Officer for State Attorney of the Ninth Circuit of Florida, so it's surely him.

 

[Gemmie]

If Kissimmee PD said "we've completed our investigation into the killing of 13-year-old Madeline Soto and, at least for now, don't plan to charge anyone else besides Stephan Sterns," I would take that to mean that they do not believe JS or anyone other than SS to be criminally involved in MS's death, but don't want to speak in absolutes if some extraordinary evidence makes itself known.

I view the words "at least for now" to mean JS is still off the hook. Well, "for now" she is.

Also, this article weirdly does not state who Jason Gunn is, but there is a Jason Gunn who is the Public Information Officer for State Attorney of the Ninth Circuit of Florida, so it's surely him.

I believe you are right about JG being the spokesperson for the State Attorney's office. I found a different article that identified him, his title, and where he works:

A spokesperson for State Attorney Andrew Bain told The Independent that he was “deeply disturbed” by the photos, which he said were in “poor taste”.

“We have requested the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigate this matter. However, we would be unable to comment on any active investigation,” spokesperson Jason Gunn said.

Outrage as sheriff accidentally posts Madeline Soto crime scene photo online

Incident comes after another Osceola County Sheriff’s Office official posted a selfie with the suspect Stephan Sterns in the background

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Pruddennce]

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Court TV is currently playing highlights from SS police interviews and his details about everybody but himself are so telling.

For example, MS is would "forget her head if not screwed on her body" (excuse for MS not having her phone). When asked if MS was taking Rx for this "severe ADHD," SS blames her grandparents-- MS was staying with them earlier and "they are not good" at helping MS manage her Rx...

And on and on...

I'm recalling how SS also had his parents 2 steps from their graves (i.e., aged, ill, and infirmed).

JS: in the audio interview in the car: about SS parents: "they are old, his mom is SUPER OLD"

 

[Gemmie]

JS: in the audio interview in the car: about SS parents: "they are old, his mom is SUPER OLD"

IMO, JS, who is 36, will change her tune about what her definition of "SUPER OLD" is when she reaches SS's parents age. Not only is that JMO, but I'll place a large bet on that and I don't make bets unless I'm sure I'll win.

 

[rsteen]

IMO, JS, who is 36, will change her tune about what her definition of "SUPER OLD" is when she reaches SS's parents age. Not only is that JMO, but I'll place a large bet on that and I don't make bets unless I'm sure I'll win.

This comment brought it home to me that poor Madeline will never be any older than 13. SS ruined her childhood and then stole her teen years and all her adult life from her.

 

[ttjo]

IMO, JS, who is 36, will change her tune about what her definition of "SUPER OLD" is when she reaches SS's parents age. Not only is that JMO, but I'll place a large bet on that and I don't make bets unless I'm sure I'll win.

super old... As if. lol They have a 36 yr old son, they can't be that old. The way jenn described DS didnt seem accurate to me. Super old, heavy, mental health stuff, No way, she seemed pretty spry to me, and not that they needed any help. Felt more like she was rationalizing why her grown adult boyfriend was living with his mommy and daddy still. Saving face.

 

[Pruddennce]

super old... As if. lol They have a 36 yr old son, they can't be that old. The way jenn described DS didnt seem accurate to me. Super old, heavy, mental health stuff, No way, she seemed pretty spry to me, and not that they needed any help. Felt more like she was rationalizing why her grown adult boyfriend was living with his mommy and daddy still. Saving face.

right....rationalizing.......her other comments about his parents 'they took US in, were loving on us' "when I met them "I was in a strange relationship with my family'...jeez....wonder why. she said it in a way that inferred she was living with them temporarily at some point, but probably just a skewed choice of words 'they took us in'.*

*ETA: was just reading the interview again with JS's ex....and he said he visited them when 'they were living in Northport'. hmmmmm.... page 39

https://www.scribd.com/document/761331151/24001809-Stephen-Sterns-Documents-released-by-Kissimmee-PD-regarding-the-investigation-into-Madeline-Sotos-murder

CS paid SS's rent for Nov and Dec and then decides no more. wondering why he agreed to pay in the first place?

 

[Pruddennce]

on another topic...

JS's ex husband furnished info concerning their bedrooms.... grandpop had the room downstairs, he and JS had their bedroom, and his daughter and Madeline had their own rooms.

after the divorce and when SS moved in, and grandpop moved out, when did the renting out the rooms begin? was this JS's idea or her father's? was it always just 2 rooms upstairs being rented?

did Madeline lose her room when SS and JS were no longer 'a couple'????? Im trying to piece together when Madeline's makeshift 'bedroom space' came about.

JS's ex stated they divorced because of JS's mental health issues. Further, he stated he needed to remove his daughter from that atmosphere. <-----no details.

again, concerning the ex husband, I found it interesting he mentioned this to the detective: "His daughter is starting to see a new therapist and if she discloses anything related to this case, he will let me know." no details why her ex, when interviewed, would bring up the topic of his daughter seeing a therapist.

 

[MamaSleuth5]

This comment brought it home to me that poor Madeline will never be any older than 13. SS ruined her childhood and then stole her teen years and all her adult life from her.

So important to remember IMO.

Welcome to Websleuths @rsteen !

 

[Seattle1]

But I suppose it's good to have something on the record, directly from law enforcement.

Police Department spokeswoman Alibeth Suarez told the Orlando Sentinel on Tuesday: “We don’t have charges for anyone else in this case at this time.” Suarez was responding to a WFTV report citing anonymous sources claiming police don’t intend to make further arrests.

Generally, the named PD spokesperson is a safe bet for news the department wants communicated to the public. In this case, I think the disclaimer "at this time" speaks volumes. IIRC, the quoted MSM link predated the later released investigation reports citing JS disagreed that SA of her child (by SS) was evil, but believed her murder was evil. MOO

 

[Mack the Knife]

Police Department spokeswoman Alibeth Suarez told the Orlando Sentinel on Tuesday: “We don’t have charges for anyone else in this case at this time.” Suarez was responding to a WFTV report citing anonymous sources claiming police don’t intend to make further arrests.

Generally, the named PD spokesperson is a safe bet for news the department wants communicated to the public. In this case, I think the disclaimer "at this time" speaks volumes. IIRC, the quoted MSM link predated the later released investigation reports citing JS disagreed that SA of her child (by SS) was evil, but believed her murder was evil. MOO

By this do you mean that JS made the comments about what is/is not evil after the statement was made by the Kissimmee PD spokeswoman on 8/27? And that those comments or the interview with those comments might impact the decision or ability to arrest/charge JS?

 

[Seattle1]

By this do you mean that JS made the comments about what is/is not evil after the statement was made by the Kissimmee PD spokeswoman on 8/27? And that those comments or the interview with those comments might impact the decision or ability to arrest/charge JS?

No, I'm saying we learned of the comments released by prosecutors (in a FOIA release?) after the unnamed LE source reported the investigation was complete. (I'm not aware of the date cited in prosecutors docs). I'm of the opinion the investigation is ongoing -- hence the disclaimer "at this time" comment by the PD's spokesperson A Suarez. JMO

OSCEOLA COUNTY, Fla. —
Investigators say Madeline Soto’s mother suggested the sexual abuse involving her daughter was “not evil,” according to documents released by prosecutors this week.

[..]

“During the interview, Jennifer Soto continuously protected Stephan Sterns, was questioned about why she prioritizes Stephan Sterns over (Madeline), and even at one point referred to the ‘sex stuff as not evil but the murder of (Madeline) as ‘evil,” the report says.

“Jennifer Soto did not show the same level of emotion or care in regards to (Madeline’s) on going victimization by Stephan Sterns than she did her disappearance. It appeared to me that she has already accepted that the victimization was happening and her emotion appeared fictitious,” the report also noted.

ETA: I can't access OP's MSM link and don't know the date of MSM. The following 8/22 link is the first time I heard similar:

Madeline Soto case: Police have no plans to charge Jennifer Soto, sources say

Jennifer told deputies that she began to worry when Maddie didn’t come out of school and wasn’t there all day.

www.wftv.com

 

[AnyNameIWish]

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CS paid SS's rent for Nov and Dec and then decides no more. wondering why he agreed to pay in the first place?

For me? Both DS and CS in their conversations with Law enforcement made it sound like they welcomed it when Stephan was away, so it seems to me that the parents preferred their nice life at Casa de Poodles without Stephan and mom even said they "welcomed" the week he planned to go visit Jenn. I think CS initially probably saw it as win-win, he and D get to have a nice life without their 37yo son in the house for the mere price of 600/month.

no details why her ex, when interviewed, would bring up the topic of his daughter seeing a therapist.

Friends of Maddie mentioned that Maddie mentioned a "sister" that she was supposedly close to. I'm thinking this "stepsister for a year or so", is what they're talking about. I originally thought this was the child of TW, biodad & his wife. But NOT so.

I wonder if this ex-stepsister was a confidante of sorts and Maddie may have shared something about what was happening... if so, this child would absolutely benefit from therapy.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

When pressed about why she believed Sterns supposedly murdered her daughter, Jennifer Soto explained that she knew “he’s been grooming and abusing my child.”

In the latest reports, authorities alleged that Jennifer Soto admitted to prioritizing her boyfriend over her daughter’s safety.

At one point, she supposedly told officers that the “‘sex stuff’” – meaning sexual abuse of Madeline perpetrated by Sterns – was “not evil”.

“It appeared to me that she has already accepted that the victimization was happening, and her emotion appeared fictitious,” one detective’s assessment read.

Madeline Soto’s mom knew boyfriend was ‘grooming and abusing’ slain teen: police

The body of Madeline Soto, 13, was found in rural Osceola County on March 1.

nypost.com

 

[Mack the Knife]

No, I'm saying we learned of the comments released by prosecutors (in a FOIA release?) after the unnamed LE source reported the investigation was complete. (I'm not aware of the date cited in prosecutors docs). I'm of the opinion the investigation is ongoing -- hence the disclaimer "at this time" comment by the PD's spokesperson A Suarez. JMO



ETA: I can't access OP's MSM link and don't know the date of MSM. The following 8/22 link is the first time I heard similar:

Madeline Soto case: Police have no plans to charge Jennifer Soto, sources say

Jennifer told deputies that she began to worry when Maddie didn’t come out of school and wasn’t there all day.

www.wftv.com

Ah I see. I don't think the date we find out about things or that documents are made public is related to if the investigation is ongoing or not.

I really wish the Orlando Sentinel would have released Kissimmee PD's actual statement about the investigation being completed, though. There's no reason we should have to interpret that kind of thing--either it is done or it isn't.

Huh now that I think about it though, Kissimmee PD's emails with the Orlando Sentinel are probably public records too.

 

[girlhasnoname]

No, I'm saying we learned of the comments released by prosecutors (in a FOIA release?) after the unnamed LE source reported the investigation was complete. (I'm not aware of the date cited in prosecutors docs). I'm of the opinion the investigation is ongoing -- hence the disclaimer "at this time" comment by the PD's spokesperson A Suarez. JMO



ETA: I can't access OP's MSM link and don't know the date of MSM. The following 8/22 link is the first time I heard similar:

Madeline Soto case: Police have no plans to charge Jennifer Soto, sources say

Jennifer told deputies that she began to worry when Maddie didn’t come out of school and wasn’t there all day.

www.wftv.com

I'm sorry, but even how the article is worded JS needs to be charged with SOMETHING. It's not okay for a man you bring into your home to groom your 8 yo child for S e x acts. Charges are not being filed at this time, but it doesn't mean they may not be in the future.

I check in from time to time because this case and the circumstances make my blood boil and sickens me. Who watched out for Madeline, you know the innocent 8-13 year old???? Not bio Dad (I don't think he had a relationship with JS, just a pregnancy), Bio Mom, and I'm not sure about Bio Mom's extended family dynamics.

Madeline spent time with them, and she didn't want to go back home at times. I wondered if they asked questions of JS about something regarding SS and maybe they weren't on the best of terms. Kind of like them having Madeline's special 13th Birthday party that JS/SS did not attend. That seems very atypical to me.

Fly high dear Maddie, your life on earth should never have been so hard and painful.

MOO