Found Deceased FL - Madeline Soto, 13, Missing Child Alert, 13500 blk Town Loop Blvd, Orlando, 26 Feb 2024 *arrest* #3

[IzzyBlanche]

I think this is my favorite picture taken from the video linked off her obituary. And OMG at playing the drums at that young age. I wanted a drum set in the 4th grade and was denied with a "Pick a different instrument". I shoulda gone with the bagpipes. lol

Looks like she also learned to play the guitar. And speak several languages. And very athletic. Wow! And ballet! And she wanted to be a singer and a house builder when she grew up. Way more aspirations than SS appeared to have.

RIP, sweet girl. People you never even met hold you in our hearts.

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And yet. The only thing mom revealed about Maddie in her interviews was that she had ADHD, so she was very forgetful.

 

[photographer4]

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And yet. The only thing mom revealed about Maddie in her interviews was that she had ADHD, so she was very forgetful.

I suspect mom is going to have innumerable regrets for the rest of her life.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I suspect mom is going to have innumerable regrets for the rest of her life.

I don't.

As I said previously, she may not have known about the abuse Maddie was suffering at the hands of SS, but I am 100% certain she knowingly assisted SS in his attempt to cover up Maddie's murder.

 

[scottishgal]

Could there be a link with the 79 y old paedophile called Santa arrested in St cloud Florida yesterday? His adult son was also making CSAM for upload and committed suicide before could be arrested. The other new thread says two kids were recognised as being local to the neighbourhood. Can it just be coincidence? Two similar cases in same week same location?

 

[photoprose1122]

Could there be a link with the 79 y old paedophile called Santa arrested in St cloud Florida yesterday? His adult son was also making CSAM for upload and committed suicide before could be arrested. The other new thread says two kids were recognised as being local to the neighbourhood. Can it just be coincidence? Two similar cases in same week same location?

Ugh. Sickening. Of course he’s called Santa. Exactly why “Santa” gives me the creeps. Blegh.

 

[iamshadow21]

Could there be a link with the 79 y old paedophile called Santa arrested in St cloud Florida yesterday? His adult son was also making CSAM for upload and committed suicide before could be arrested. The other new thread says two kids were recognised as being local to the neighbourhood. Can it just be coincidence? Two similar cases in same week same location?

I think that it's very easy to underestimate the amount of child rapists living comfortably in suburban neighbourhoods. Though some may know of others, they certainly don't all know each other and aren't all connected.

One in three girls and one in five boys are sexually assaulted by age eighteen. Most of them are attacked by someone close to them, many in their own homes, by their own family members.

MOO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I didn't see the slideshow from Maddie's funeral before it was taken down, but some of y'all did, and posted how much she seemed to be loved.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

If so, why didn't they do anything to protect her?

I just can't reconcile the apparent paradox of her being so loved by so many, yet insofar as we know, she didn't trust any of them enough to reveal to them what she was enduring at SS hands.

 

[iamshadow21]

I didn't see the slideshow from Maddie's funeral before it was taken down, but some of y'all did, and posted how much she seemed to be loved.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

If so, why didn't they do anything to protect her?

I just can't reconcile the apparent paradox of her being so loved by so many, yet insofar as we know, she didn't trust any of them enough to reveal to them what she was enduring at SS hands.

Simply, the same reasons most children don't tell when something happens to them, especially if the perpetrator is a parental figure. Fear and shame.

Shame and Child Sexual Abuse | Saprea

Shame is a painful emotion that survivors of child sexual abuse may experience. Shame involves feelings of worthlessness and failure.

saprea.org

Community approach to sexual abuse & violence

Some endurers of child sexual assault NEVER tell for these reasons. Many don't tell until they're adults. Some only disclose when they're old enough to have grandchildren. It doesn't matter that the attacker is long gone. The shame and trauma remains.

How and When do Youth Disclose Abuse? | Joshua Center on Child Sexual Abuse

Summary Disclosure is the process by which youth come to tell others about being sexually abused (or being at risk thereof) and is critical to stopping the abuse and activating legal and therapeutic interventions. Disclosing can be complicated and challenging for youth due in part to...

uwjoshuacenter.org

EDIT: I should also add that the number of children who disclose while the abuse is actively happening is small, very small, especially in cases of abuse by parental figures. Most don't disclose until after it has ended or the situation has changed in some way that makes them feel able to be open about it.

Here's a link with some figures about that.

Disclosure of child sexual abuse | Bravehearts

Disclosure of child sexual abuse Disclosure rates of child sexual abuse vary as much as between 24% and 96% (London, […]

bravehearts.org.au

MOO

 

[photoprose1122]

I didn't see the slideshow from Maddie's funeral before it was taken down, but some of y'all did, and posted how much she seemed to be loved.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

If so, why didn't they do anything to protect her?

I just can't reconcile the apparent paradox of her being so loved by so many, yet insofar as we know, she didn't trust any of them enough to reveal to them what she was enduring at SS hands.

I understand your thought process - but can’t underestimate the power a predator can wield over a child. They use all kinds of threats and lies to keep their victims silent. Threatening her life, her mother’s, shaming her and convincing her that others would be ashamed of her or mad at her, etc.

ETA: not saying she didn’t tell and all parties are innocent, just saying most child SA victims don’t tell for those reasons.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Simply, the same reasons most children don't tell when something happens to them, especially if the perpetrator is a parental figure. Fear and shame.

I understand your thought process - but can’t underestimate the power a predator can wield over a child. They use all kinds of threats and lies to keep their victims silent. Threatening her life, her mother’s, shaming her and convincing her that others would be ashamed of her or mad at her, etc.

I know that what both of you are saying is factual.

It's just difficult for me to put my head around.

 

[photographer4]

I don't.

As I said previously, she may not have known about the abuse Maddie was suffering at the hands of SS, but I am 100% certain she knowingly assisted SS in his attempt to cover up Maddie's murder.

That wouldn’t surprise me either to be honest.

But did she do that because she feared he might kill her too (self preservation is a powerful motivator!).

She had to have had a big motivating reason to help him cover it up. What was it?

 

[MassGuy]

I didn't see the slideshow from Maddie's funeral before it was taken down, but some of y'all did, and posted how much she seemed to be loved.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

If so, why didn't they do anything to protect her?

I just can't reconcile the apparent paradox of her being so loved by so many, yet insofar as we know, she didn't trust any of them enough to reveal to them what she was enduring at SS hands.

I don’t speak Spanish, but the translation from that Univision video at Maddie’s memorial included a friend of Maddie saying that she told him that her stepfather treated her badly. We don’t know if she ever went into specifics, but it doesn’t appear she was completely silent about all of this.

 

[iamshadow21]

I don’t speak Spanish, but the translation from that Univision video at Maddie’s memorial included a friend of Maddie saying that she told him that her stepfather treated her badly. We don’t know if she ever went into specifics, but it doesn’t appear she was completely silent about all of this.

That would be in keeping with what some endurers of abuse do. At least one of the links I posted above goes into detail about how older children are more likely to tell a friend, a peer, before telling an adult.

MOO

 

[photographer4]

I didn't see the slideshow from Maddie's funeral before it was taken down, but some of y'all did, and posted how much she seemed to be loved.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

If so, why didn't they do anything to protect her?

I just can't reconcile the apparent paradox of her being so loved by so many, yet insofar as we know, she didn't trust any of them enough to reveal to them what she was enduring at SS hands.

She might have. We don’t know. But many MaNY kids in the same position don’t tell. Not telling is very common for so many reasons. This article lists them pretty well.

Why Children Don't Tell

As a Forensic Interviewer, I testify in civil and criminal court on a regular basis about child sexual abuse dynamics.

www.allianceforchildren.org

 

[photoprose1122]

I know that what both of you are saying is factual.

It's just difficult for me to put my head around.

I get that.

Something happens when a child experiences severe trauma. Their blissful unawareness of the world is shattered and suddenly everything is huge and scary and uncertain, and can also cause them to develop mistrust for all adults in their life.

 

[photographer4]

I don’t speak Spanish, but the translation from that Univision video at Maddie’s memorial included a friend of Maddie saying that she told him that her stepfather treated her badly. We don’t know if she ever went into specifics, but it doesn’t appear she was completely silent about all of this.

When I used the transcribe part at the bottom and copied it over to google translate it said something about possibly the person making the comment thought she’d said it because they’d had a fight and it was maybe a normal thing. I don’t know if that’s accurate but it definitely gave me pause. Not sure if the friend thought they’d had a fight or the parent or if google was just plain wrong as the translated version was hard to follow. I can’t link it here from phone as I can’t access it easily. Your mileage may vary. This is NoT necessarily fact!!

 

[Sjöberg]

I was only pointing out the sharp contrast between mom saying she often forgot her phone (or however it was worded) vs how friends and fam said it was unusual for her to be out of contact with them.

Tbh this is something that could be said about me. Yeah, I often forget my phone. And sometimes I forget the charger instead! Infuriates me to no end when that happens. However, everyone would say that it's unusual for me to just run off / go away for a long time and NOT inform anyone about it. These are separate matters. She is basically saying "my daughter is not a runaway".

I remember reading once that people who have just committed a crime are more likely to have a traffic violation. So if police don’t know who to look for, sometimes they review traffic cams just to watch for writing driving; people screwing up basic stops; lane changes; speeding and…driving slower than the law requires.

Uuh, I love that! The Idaho4 killer comes to mind! There have been many, many more.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

Just one example of possible numbers: The primary reason that the public is not sufficiently aware of child sexual abuse as a problem is that 73% of child victims do not tell anyone about the abuse for at least a year. 45% of victims do not tell anyone for at least 5 years. Some never disclose. (link)
Judging from personal insight among friends (and I hate that I can say that), girls might disclose childhood sexual abuse when out of parental home and having a secure life partner that they have a sexual relationship with (as that usually causes the topic to come up in the first place). So we're mostly speaking about university girls in their 20s or even older. Needless to say, these cases mostly go unreported as the women involved want to move on with their lives and not to be forced to interact with/about the abuser again.

 

[photographer4]

Thats the problem. We hardly have any details. I'm wondering if he was driving around to create the alibi of taking her to school then he didn't know what to do after that. He came back to the apartment but we dont know if he got out of the car there or how long he was there. I haven't seen anything about a time that he left with her body again. I'm not sure what time the witness saw him on the side of the road with the supposed flat tire. There isnt much of a verified timeline at all.

It’s a 40 min drive from home to St. Cloud where body was located. So he had to have left before 1pm to get there in time to have been seen in that area between 1-2:30.

Do we think he stayed home cleaning up? Googling? Calling or texting etc then left with her body around 12ish to be spotted in the area for 1ish?

Or:

Do we think he left the home area pretty quickly to get out of the area and either drove around looking for a spot all that time or just found a quiet place to park and use a device to plan a dump spot?

I think if she was visible in the car when police saw the video then it’s likely he didn’t hang around there too long and he left the area.

 

[ttjo]

I didn't see the slideshow from Maddie's funeral before it was taken down, but some of y'all did, and posted how much she seemed to be loved.

Did she tell any of those people who loved her what SS was doing to her? IF not, so why not?

If so, why didn't they do anything to protect her?

I just can't reconcile the apparent paradox of her being so loved by so many, yet insofar as we know, she didn't trust any of them enough to reveal to them what she was enduring at SS hands.

I think self-blame plays a pretty big role in non-disclosure. scared of how people will respond, or whether you'll be believed, or non-supportive family reactions, fear of the breakdown of the family you depend on, or hurting your abuser if it's familial( been groomed) all barriers to -disclosure, and then self-blame grows from not disclosing or for not stopping it sooner, fear of being blamed, it becomes a perpetuating cycle for kids too young to comprehend whats even happening.

 

[SimplyCass]

I think her info has been scrubbed. I found it the other night but I can't find it again tonight and the link I'm pretty sure I followed the other night now has a message saying the info has been removed.

Was this on a commercial "people search engine" type of website or a government court records database? I know some friends who have gotten some data removed from people search engines (which is rather ineffective, due to so many people search engines out there), but not court records (unless expunged). Also it would be an incredible record speed for government to scrub such data on such short notice. IMO.