FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[ynotdivein]

We're still in a single-thread format yes? Could someone post the most up-to-date timeline, and maybe a recent MSM link? That might help us get back on track.

 

[Thor]

When a person is INNOCENT they tell the truth about what happened that day...they don't ACT guilty from the second LE gets involved. You cooperate with LE and tell ALL you know... You also should want to:
1. Clear you name and eliminate yourself as a suspect
2. Do all you can to find the missing person...ESPECIALLY the mother of your children
3. You show concern and compassion toward the family who's loved one "disappeared"

Dale was the last person to see Michelle. He lied to LE about her arrival and departure time, refused to answer his phone for hours in the critical hours when Michelle went missing despite MULTIPLE calls and texts. He refused to take a lie detector test. Yes these are unreliable but what does he have to lose if he "mistakening fails"...most people ALREADY think he's guilty. If he truly WAS innocent and doesn't know what happened to Michelle...why not take a chance and try to clear his name? You know why he won't take the test? Because IMO he knows he will fail!

Innocent people don't just put their head down they fight for answers! If Dale is so innocent why would he need to use a fake FB account to claim Michelle was an escort? There is no PROOF of that yet IMO there's probably proof Dale was using Craig's list to find male and female "friends". I wonder if he was the one paying for sex? IMO he was and that may be why Michelle FINALLY broke it off with him. That could be why he was so mad at her. Did he suspect her tanning business was a front for being an escort. Again his online deceitfulness leads back to guilty actions. Innocent people don't act guilty and Dale's actions make him look as guilty as sin...JMO

"looking guilty" and "being guilty". They are not the same and the big difference between them is called evidence Evidence is what real professional look for before they accuse somebody of "being guilty" of a crime.


You also should want to:
1. Clear you name and eliminate yourself as a suspect
2. Do all you can to find the missing person...ESPECIALLY the mother of your children

Anyone who is a suspect of a criminal investigation from day 1 can't do what you suggested above. No attorney worth their money would represent a possible defendant if he were to do that.

The police role is not to decide innocence or guilt, that is the job of a jury .The Police job is to gather evidence and turn it over to a prosecutor for possible prosecution. In other words it is not the main concern of the Police to clear or not to clear Dale, just gather evidence. Also more speculation here that in fact he had something or anything to contribute to the Police investigation none of which is part of any record we are aware of.

"there's probably proof Dale was using Craig's list to find male and female "friends"

Looking in CraigsList list for Female and Male friends is not proof of guilt. I don't understand how this relates to Michelle Parker disappearance.


"I wonder if he was the one paying for sex? "

Paying for sex is a crime, however, even if true it has no relationship I am aware of to Michelle Parker's disappearance.


"IMO he was and that may be why Michelle FINALLY broke it off with him. That could be why he was so mad at her. Did he suspect her tanning business was a front for being an escort. Again his online deceitfulness leads back to guilty actions. Innocent people don't act guilty and Dale's actions make him look as guilty as sin...JMO"

No information that Dale thought her tanning business was a front for being an escort. that I am aware of. Where the decits lies here escapes me completely.

 

[telemag]

So if Dale passed a polygraph he's automatically innocent? I wouldn't think so, but if he fails then he's considered guilty. Guess it doesn't matter either way since they are not admissible in court anyway.

 

[What'sThatClue]

We're still in a single-thread format yes? Could someone post the most up-to-date timeline, and maybe a recent MSM link? That might help us get back on track.

I think this is it.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #11

 

[wantjustice]

Every time I think of Michelle I pray very hard that she will be found. I feel that the person who did it had help. And I am very angry he is getting away with murder. So sad. Watched the Today interview and felt so bad for the mom and sister. The twins need their grandma and family. I feel sad for her oldest son. The whole situation makes me sick. I stay away from this thread because I can't bear to think that her case will go unsolved and he will get away with it.

One question, does anyone know if participants of People's Court see their appearance on the show before it airs new for the first time or they are only told when it will air? Do they get a copy once it is edited? If this has been asked before, I apologize. TIA!

 

[Thor]

Wow... um very insightful post..
Regardless of whether Dale is guilty or not (and I wholeheartedly 101% believe that he's in fact guilty), he should be allowing those children access to ALL their family members. NO ONE should have to jump thru hoops and cater to him in order to do this. He has a choice, if he doesn't want anyone to vilify him in the media, (or anywhere else for that matter) then perhaps he should just take that ol' pesky lie detector test, clear his name and wallah, no body says another word. The only reason I can think of him not allowing Michelle's family to see the twins is because A. He has something to hide B. He's a vindictive jerk C. Both of these two reasons listed.

I hope for the twins sake, their father is clear of any wrong doing. However, with all the evidence against him and all the fake usernames he seems to accumulate, and doing nothing else to clear his name and help the family out, I just can't get past that.

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree that children should not be used as pawn in family disputes. However, speaking strictly for myself, in a case such as this I would not entrust my children to anyone accusing me of murder, especially the murder of the mother of my own children. I would simply not believe that this would be the right environment for my children to be in and I would pack up a move to another state at least until things would calm down to a manageable degree and then try to mend fences with the grandparents to the extent that that would be possible and if I believed that to be in the best interest of my children.

The reason why lie detectors are not admissible in court is because the are notoriously unreliable. People that are afraid, nervous, insecure, irascible, and so on tend to not do well on those regardless of guilt or innocence. Besides I don't think Dale would be exonerated just for passing a lie detector test and there is no law mandating to be so. Dale is following his attorney advice and correctly so. In the same situation and knowing I am innocent I would not take a lie detector either.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree that children should not be used as pawn in family disputes. However, speaking strictly for myself, in a case such as this I would not entrust my children to anyone accusing me of murder, especially the murder of the mother of my own children. I would simply not believe that this would be the right environment for my children to be in and I would pack up a move to another state at least until things would calm down to a manageable degree and then try to mend fences with the grandparents to the extent that that would be possible and if I believed that to be in the best interest of my children.

The reason why lie detectors are not admissible in court is because the are notoriously unreliable. People that are afraid, nervous, insecure, irascible, and so on tend to not do well on those regardless of guilt or innocence. Besides I don't think Dale would be exonerated just for passing a lie detector test and there is no law mandating to be so. Dale is following his attorney advice and
correctly so. In the same situation and knowing I am innocent I would not take a lie detector either.

Iirc, isn't there a visitation agreement between DSjr and Michelle's family?

 

[Evanesco]

Iirc, isn't there a visitation agreement between DSjr and Michelle's family?

I thought that I had heard they had reached an agreement a few months back. Then it was reported that he drove them over to see Yvonne and then left without letting them seeing her. Ok seriously? What is that? Why would someone do that? MOO I pick B. off my own list...

 

[Evanesco]

I think this is it.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #11

Jumping off the timeline list -
Did we ever get a time for when Dale called Yvonne back after she called to ask about Michelle and let him know Michelle was missing?

 

[SleuthDecay]

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree that children should not be used as pawn in family disputes. However, speaking strictly for myself, in a case such as this I would not entrust my children to anyone accusing me of murder, especially the murder of the mother of my own children. I would simply not believe that this would be the right environment for my children to be in and I would pack up a move to another state at least until things would calm down to a manageable degree and then try to mend fences with the grandparents to the extent that that would be possible and if I believed that to be in the best interest of my children.

IMO, if you truly love your children and truly want what is best for them, you don't use them as pawns in a situation where their mother has gone missing. Not if you're innocent, anyway. PERIOD. EVER. END OF STORY.

JMO.

 

[Thor]

Iirc, isn't there a visitation agreement between DSjr and Michelle's family?

I am not sure. Press reported an agreement about "liberal visitations" sometime ago between the parties. Florida does not have strong visitation rights for Grandparents and in any case this kind of agreements can be reascended or changed at anytime . You can follow this LINK for an interesting article on the subject of Florida grandparents legal visitation rights.

 

[Thor]

IMO, if you truly love your children and truly want what is best for them, you don't use them as pawns in a situation where their mother has gone missing. Not if you're innocent, anyway. PERIOD. EVER. END OF STORY.

JMO.

I am not sure what you mean here and if you referring to my hypothetical decision to leave the state under circumstances similar to Dale's I would not do so in order to hurt my children's grandparents or otherwise use my children as pawns, but solely to take them away from an environment I believed not to be conducive to their best interests and general well being.

Think about it, these kids have had their mother disappear from their life overnight, not even a chance to say goodbye, they have been uprooted from the life they have always known, their surviving parent is being suspected of being responsible for their mother disappearance, and outside there is a circus of flash lights, all kinds of strangers with all kinds of opinions, most of which hurtful to everything they believe and love. I have been counseling families for years and I can tell you that even small children can at least sense tension, and they generally understand a lot more we grown up give them credit for. As a parent in this circumstances I would take them as far away as possible from all of this, try to reconnect with them, and give them as much love and attention as I possibly could.

Now one can criticize this hypothetical decision of mine, and one might say one might do differently, but I hope one would recognize my right as a custodial parent to make decisions about what is best for my children as one would for theirs. And I do not understand what guilt or innocence has to do with parenting anyway.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

I am not sure. Press reported an agreement about "liberal visitations" sometime ago between the parties. Florida does not have strong visitation rights for Grandparents and in any case this kind of agreements can be reascended or changed at anytime . You can follow this LINK for an interesting article on the subject of Florida grandparents legal visitation rights.

This morning on the Today show, Michelle's mother said she's only seen the kids 3 times this year and that their birthday just passed and Dale would not let her see them.

 

[Thor]

This morning on the Today show, Michelle's mother said she's only seen the kids 3 times this year and that their birthday just passed and Dale would not let her see them.

I can't comment about what Michelle's mother said since I have no direct knowledge about what transpired between Dale and the kids' extended family. I fail to see what business it would be of mine to have intimate knowledge of that very personal family issue and what importance that might have in finding Michelle Parker.

Generally speaking I have a feeling that if the two parties would learn to speak above all the outside noise, not attack each other and generally cooperate with one another, that would be best for all parties involved and especially for the kids. Sadly I am not holding my breath for it.

 

[andalso]

IMO, the totality of the circumstances make me thinks DS Jr. is as guilty as guilty gets. It is the sum of the pieces that make up the whole.

Thor, I also believe that guilt or innocence has a lot to do with parenting!! If you are guilty of killing my mother, IMO, you can NOT be a good parent. Do I really need to elaborate on that?

 

[Jazzmaster]

"looking guilty" and "being guilty". They are not the same and the big difference between them is called evidence Evidence is what real professional look for before they accuse somebody of "being guilty" of a crime.


You also should want to:
1. Clear you name and eliminate yourself as a suspect
2. Do all you can to find the missing person...ESPECIALLY the mother of your children

Anyone who is a suspect of a criminal investigation from day 1 can't do what you suggested above. No attorney worth their money would represent a possible defendant if he were to do that.

The police role is not to decide innocence or guilt, that is the job of a jury .The Police job is to gather evidence and turn it over to a prosecutor for possible prosecution. In other words it is not the main concern of the Police to clear or not to clear Dale, just gather evidence. Also more speculation here that in fact he had something or anything to contribute to the Police investigation none of which is part of any record we are aware of.

"there's probably proof Dale was using Craig's list to find male and female "friends"

Looking in CraigsList list for Female and Male friends is not proof of guilt. I don't understand how this relates to Michelle Parker disappearance.


"I wonder if he was the one paying for sex? "

Paying for sex is a crime, however, even if true it has no relationship I am aware of to Michelle Parker's disappearance.


"IMO he was and that may be why Michelle FINALLY broke it off with him. That could be why he was so mad at her. Did he suspect her tanning business was a front for being an escort. Again his online deceitfulness leads back to guilty actions. Innocent people don't act guilty and Dale's actions make him look as guilty as sin...JMO"

No information that Dale thought her tanning business was a front for being an escort. that I am aware of. Where the decits lies here escapes me completely.

I never said "looking guilty" and "being guilty were one in the SAME. This site is about opinions, facts, and discussions. We are not the jury just those trying to find Michelle! I understand the legal system and appearantly so do the Smiths with their LONNNNG history of drug and violence arrests.....It is MOO based on public info and other things I have found on my own and with the help of others. Though the public may not know what evidence LE has and doesn't have you can rest assure that LE only needs "a few more dots to connect". *Isn't it strange 6 months into this case, LE hasn't moved onto other possibilities? *That is not just suspicion IMO but rather CONFIDENCE they know who did it but need AS much evidence as possible (and the right kind) to hand over to the DA for prosecution.

I never said it was LE's job to clear Dale. I believe ANY innocent person would hate living under such a cloud of suspicion that they would cooperate with LE and not hide behind their attorney. *I am not saying Dale shouldn't have his attorney present but the fact that Dale isn't telling what he knows points toward his involvement IMO. Why lie to LE about her arrival and departure time? Why refuse to cooperate? These are tactics of the GUILTY not the innocently accused. IIRC Dale sought legal counsel pretty early on....IMO that step would have been unnecessary if he had cooperated and helped in the investigation from the get go.

Now to me....the Craig's List activity is VERY important as I believe it shows pattern and motive. For reasons I won't discuss here...I have a running theory on HOW Dale did this, quite possibly WHY, and WHO may have helped him "knowingly" or "unknowingly". *

But let's just say what hypothetically COULD have happened....We know Dale was cheating on Michelle via people he met from Craig's List (per the PC episode). We know Craig's List used to have an escort advertisements section. We know from Dale's online deceitful activity he had a fake FB account...BUCK FUDDY that accused Michelle of being an escort. Did he have experience with escorts and did he really think she was an escort or just trying to divert attention?( Sometimes within a lie lies the TRUTH. *There is no history of Michelle being an escort but there is a long history of Dale using Craig's list for Dates. What if they were paid dates and Michelle found out? See how this could be important?

What if the final straw for Michelle was he brought home a man? Someone he paid for? She drew the line in the sand and called it off for good. * It's just my theory but maybe Dale realized he made a "mistake" and wanted her back and he tried EVERYTHING and she rejected him OVER and OVER! He couldn't handle it and saw Michelle moved on to a better man (NM) and then he started planning her "disappearence". All because of his "mistakes" on Craig's List. What do you think?*

 

[artzypantz]

IMO, the totality of the circumstances make me thinks DS Jr. is a guilty as guilty gets. It is the sum of the pieces that make up the whole.

Thor, I also believe that guilt or innocence has a lot to do with parenting!! If you are guilty of killing my mother, IMO, you can NOT be a good parent Do I really need to elaborate on that?

BBM I really cannot believe you had to say this! I sure hope michelle is found soon as common sense seems to be flying out the window!

It takes unselfish good ethics & morals, to raise children right & be a good parent! Face book photos say alot about a person and their ethics and morals. IMO there were a few men in michelle's life who these unselfish good ethics & morals have escaped them. Why michelle was attracted to them i dont know.

Hope a higher love will bring her home & bring her enemy to justice!!

 

[artzypantz]

I had a dream last night that michelle was buried alive. I sure hope this is not the case!

If dale is still the only suspect, why doesnt LE pull him in and use real pressure to get him to tell what he knows? Why the constant messages thru the news, which IMO really never seem to say anything at all? I dont know, but, If he is the prime suspect, and the only suspect publicly named, cant they drill him and drill him untill he breaks, untill he tells the truth instead of the half truth answers he appearantly gave before? Even tho he has an attorney?

IMO For him to with hold his children from seeing the grandparents and family they lived with at the time of michelles disapearance, the same family people HE packed his children and michelle up and DUMPED them off to, seems very wicked & controlling behavior serving his self intrests only, and very confident behaviors on his behalf. But are they confident behaviors showing "im guilty" or "im innocent" and i will show you by being vendictive because you are claiming im guilty.

To me dale seems very confident that he will remain a free man no matter what.

What did michelle tell her current BF the day she disapeared? Did she tell NM about the PC episode airing? Did she tell him of any conversations with Dale earlier that day about Dales behavior towards the PC show airing? About any thing else? Was michelle upset about the PC episode airing that day? If they were close enough to share hearts n smily faces in texts, then was michelle sharing information reguarding her current relationship with dale (as two ex's with children) and what that really entailed? I have seen where he was in the news concerning this but dont know if he was able to provide any clues towards dales behavior that day. NM has helped with fundraisers even tho he has a new girlfriend & moved on with his life he has been cleared by LE in michelles disapearance, but dale on the otherhand seems to be trying to control the people in michelles life by using he & michelles children as a tool to hurt them back for claiming he is guilty, hasnt helped with fundraisers, or tried to clear his name with LE. Does anyone know if Dale had a new girlfriend before the time of michelles disappearance, or now after michelle has disappeared for 6 months?

Anyone know?

 

[Thor]

IMO, the totality of the circumstances make me thinks DS Jr. is as guilty as guilty gets. It is the sum of the pieces that make up the whole.

Thor, I also believe that guilt or innocence has a lot to do with parenting!! If you are guilty of killing my mother, IMO, you can NOT be a good parent. Do I really need to elaborate on that?

You'd be surprised how many criminal of all sorts are in fact dissent parents. But yes of course if he killed Michelle Parker I'd agree he's not a good parent or a good human being for that matter.

However my post, was about his parental rights, the issue of the grandparents complaining about visitation time etc... and what I would do if I was him. These are family and parental issues that Dale is facing right now and have no relationship to his possible guilt or innocence since he has not been charged with any crime.

 

[Gia]

IMO, the totality of the circumstances make me thinks DS Jr. is as guilty as guilty gets. It is the sum of the pieces that make up the whole.

Thor, I also believe that guilt or innocence has a lot to do with parenting!! If you are guilty of killing my mother, IMO, you can NOT be a good parent. Do I really need to elaborate on that?

BBM

I totally agree. From all that we know of Dale, as well as all that has been alleged, is he even capable of being a loving parent who puts his children's needs first? IIRC, didn't he even refuse to see them at one point, when he was mad at Michelle?

An innocent man would have no reason to keep his kids away from their grandparents, who were a huge part of their lives before their mother went missing. If anything, allowing them to keep in contact would be one sure way to lessen the loss they have endured.

Nor would an innocent man have a need to pack his kids up and move out of state. If I were being accused of murder, I would face it head on and fight until my last breath to clear my name. I wouldn't run away...unless, of course, I wasn't so innocent.

This goes far beyond caring or not caring about what other people think. It's a cloud of suspicion that will haunt him forever. Not to mention that as his children grow older, they will be able to put two and two together and form their own opinions of him and his actions.

Guilty or not, he shouldn't be denying visitation. Even if Michelle's family believe Dale is responsible for whatever happened to her, I highly doubt they would sit there and badger their grandchildren and try to poison their minds against their father. They wouldn't have anything to gain by that.

Now if the children start to remember what really happened the day their mother dropped them off...well, I suppose that would be a reason for him to not want them around others.

MOO :moo: