FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[Jazzmaster]

I may be wrong about this but although I have read that Dale is not necessarily that brightest light on the porch (so to speak) I think he has been proven to be able to follow his lawyer advise and keep a very low profile.

Well using the Buck Fuddy FB account to accuse Michelle of being an escort probably wasn't what the attorney had in mind...my post was more about who is spying on him...I will leave it at that for now.

 

[Thor]

Fair enough.

I never said that you had a "personal" interest nor do I believe that everyone on this thread, or in life for that matter, should rank and file agree with each other. I am not a fan of groupthink.

The reason that I ask is because although you state that you don't know if he is guilty or innocent, your posts all seem to want to deflect from Dale, yet not offer any other theory about who else could be responsible. The deflection is occurring, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. But again, you have the right to your opinion.

Your scales just seem to be tipping in one direction and one direction only, which is why you seem invested and which is why I asked. From your answer to my question, I am gathering that you are being a Devil's Advocate, rather than deflecting from evidence of Dale's guilt?

Spice I understand what you're saying but if you notice I have never said I know he's guilty because there is no real evidence of that, and I mean, real irrefutable, unassailable evidence and not theories which I think abound here, at least from my point of view, nor have I said he's innocent because I don't know that to be true also. A lot of the time when I interject myself is either when I believe some characterization of Dale is unfair or not factual (something I rarely do lately because it is becoming redundant for me) or to present a different take on a particular theory. You are right however in perceiving that I really don't believe he did it, at least I am pretty sure not at the condo, but truthfully I separate personal beliefs from actual evidence, again as I see them, and try to keep an open mind ("try" being the operative word).

 

[What'sThatClue]

Let me rephrase it: you don't think that an attractive woman (any woman) could be a target for a predator (any predator)?

Of course any woman could be a target for a predator. But in this case, Michelle was never seen again after she arrived at Dale's condo. Then LE named Dale their Prime Suspect, even going so far as to state Dale is the only suspect (press conference re Smart Panel). Hence, I believe your point is moot because Michelle was clearly not the target of a predator/stranger abduction.

JM0/MOO

 

[What'sThatClue]

I enjoy your posts too although we disagree and that's called a debate.

JMO, we aren't here to debate Dale's guilt or innocence. We're here to sleuth the Prime Suspect and help find clues as to what the Prime suspect did to Michelle, where he might have hidden her, etc.

JMO/MOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I disagree. Some have....and went as far as to actually say that all female bartenders are either "slutty" or aloof. So it has been outright suggested. That wasn't your post but it has been more than insinuated. As for the rest of the posts that are not as quite direct, they are carrying the same tone.

I'm confused by this post, Spice. I've been through I think all of these threads & don't remember reading anything that suggested all bartenders are slutty or aloof. This is where I have an issue bc several posters seem to constantly misconstrue posts to suit the need of making their opinions more viable. If I'd have read any post that suggested all female bartenders were slutty, or anything remotely close to that, I'd have set their azzes straight. I myself am an ex-Hooters gal lol, so I'd take that to extreme heart. I loved it there, made good money during college, & did lots of charity stuff. Just bc there are some of us that don't just concentrate on Dale, it certainly doesn't mean we have an agenda to prove his innocence. I can only speak for myself in saying that I'm looking at all angles in Michelle's disappearance, not just looking at Dale. Debate is great, it helps sort through things. However it's sure getting tiresome to have to keep repeating why a person's opinion is their opinion when it's the same answer over & over again. At that point it starts to become mundane bc obviously people don't care to hear it. If somebody doesn't agree with a post, that's ok, seriously - but if the answer to the question on the opinion is already there bc it's been asked a gazilliin times, then disengage might just be the proper answer.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

JMO, we aren't here to debate Dale's guilt or innocence. We're here to sleuth the Prime Suspect and help find clues as to what the Prime suspect did to Michelle, where he might have hidden her, etc.

JMO/MOO

JMO, I agree with you that we aren't here to discuss Dale's guilt or innocence. However I'd like to add that sleuthing the prime suspect isn't the only reason we're here. The reason we're here is to sleuth Michelle's disappearance, all facets of it, every single angle, all about Michelle the victim. There are so many cases of people that go missing that don't have named suspects, many that do have named suspects, and many that have had one named prime & only suspect where that suspect ended not even being the perp. That is why I dig the way I dig. I dig up stuff on Dale as well as any other angle I can find.

So long story short, we are here to sleuth what could have happened to the victim, not just the prime & only suspect.

I hope that makes sense & helps stop this issue that should truly be a non-issue.

 

[Jazzmaster]

JMO, we aren't here to debate Dale's guilt or innocence. We're here to sleuth the Prime Suspect and help find clues as to what the Prime suspect did to Michelle, where he might have hidden her, etc.

JMO/MOO

Good point Clue! One thing I was thinking about is how Dale said Michelle was an escort which of course wasn't true! Yet could there be some hidden message in there? Maybe Dale hid Michelle in a place near an old boyfriend's place? If he was real angry with her and planned this advance...what if he selected a spot near "Paul" or someone Dale was jealous of? NM?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Jazz, the Buck Fuddy email was the same as that Star Wars forum site, right? Do you have it handy? Is it jediscout2871@aol? .com or .net? Or was it just jediscout? I never wrote down all of his email addresses in one place, they're posted sporadically lol. I did see those posts & thought it was in extremely bad taste & that was when I seriously started thinking Dale could be involved...but again, still trying to look at all angles. I'd most especially like to see all of his posts that you said he posted on craigslist. I only heard mention of it on that PC episode & didn't see them for myself.

 

[mkay882]

I understand that to be your opinion from all of your posts, and you obviously have the right to that opinion. You seem to feel very strongly that he is somehow being unfairly crucified. I'm not sure why though. He has his freedom, his kids, and has been stripped of nothing. That is more than I can say for Michelle and her family.

I do not agree. He is the prime suspect for a reason and it is only matter of time before he is arrested and charged. Once he is arrested, due process starts immediately and the prosecution only gets ONE bite of that apple. They will not arrest until they feel they are airtight and we are not privy to A LOT of information in this case.

I am hard pressed to see anyone other than Dale that would have (as you said) the motive and opportunity to hurt Michelle. We could sit here and dream up scenarios all day, but they wouldn't fit the facts at hand.

I do think he is guilty. One thousand Percent Guilty. But this is a forum and the court of public opinion. It is not a courtroom. I am a strong believer in every person's right to a fair trial, and when he is arrested and charged he will get his day in court.

I'm just curious, why are you so invested in Dale not being guilty of this?

Excellent post! Spot on. Thank you!

 

[What'sThatClue]

Good point Clue! One thing I was thinking about is how Dale said Michelle was an escort which of course wasn't true! Yet could there be some hidden message in there? Maybe Dale hid Michelle in a place near an old boyfriend's place? If he was real angry with her and planned this advance...what if he selected a spot near "Paul" or someone Dale was jealous of? NM?

You know, that's a very good idea Jazz. Perhaps that post was a major clue, especially in light of what came up about Paul during the PC episode. Watching that perhaps refreshed Dale's memory of Paul...that, coupled with the new boyfriend (assuming he know about NM) enraged him and what better way to get back at them than to place her near one of them, maybe hoping to pin something on one of them.

JMO MOO

 

[Thor]

Of course any woman could be a target for a predator. But in this case, Michelle was never seen again after she arrived at Dale's condo. Then LE named Dale their Prime Suspect, even going so far as to state Dale is the only suspect (press conference re Smart Panel). Hence, I believe your point is moot because Michelle was clearly not the target of a predator/stranger abduction.

JM0/MOO

Well in that theory IMO, Dale being the last known person to have seen MP alive implies Dale and only Dale had motive and/or opportunity to kill MP and therefore that begs the question of why he was not arrested let alone be named a suspect. As it is, if the police theory would be that Dale killed MP at the condo and that no one else could have, either a predator or whomever, then they would have the burden to prove it with evidence directly related to the crime alleged . Now assuming for the sake of this post, that the police only has the circumstantial evidence of Dale being the last person to have seen MP alive, then they would be stuck with the theory that if the dog barks and then it rains then the dog made it rain (so to speak). Of course it seems possible to me that the Police has more evidence that just that and this is the subject of many sleuthing in here. JMO

 

[What'sThatClue]

Well in that theory IMO, Dale being the last known person to have seen seen MP implies Dale and only Dale had motive and/or opportunity to kill MP and therefore that begs the question of why he was not arrested let alone named a suspect. As it is, if the police theory would be that Dale killed MP at the condo and that no one else could have, either a predator or whomever, then they would have the burden to prove it with evidence directly related to the crime alleged . Now assuming for the sake of this post, that the police only has the circumstantial evidence of Dale being the last person to have seen MP, then they would be stuck with the theory that if the dog barks and then it rains then the dog made it rain (so to speak). Of course it seems possible to me that the Police has more evidence that just that and this is the subject of many sleuthing in here. JMO

BBM

But Dale was named a suspect. The Prime Suspect. The Only Suspect according to LE during their press conference. LE undoubtedly has evidence they have not released. LE does this for a reason in most cases.

JMO, Dale will be arrested. It's only a matter of time. LE is close, very close. They just need one more "piece of the puzzle". JMO, that piece of the puzzle is Michelle's body.

So, in your opinion, what areas should we continue to search? What have we missed that could help LE find Michelle and close this case?

JMO/MOO

 

[Thor]

BBM

But Dale was named a suspect. The Prime Suspect. The Only Suspect according to LE during their press conference. LE undoubtedly has evidence they have not released. LE does this for a reason in most cases.

JMO, Dale will be arrested. It's only a matter of time. LE is close, very close. They just need one more "piece of the puzzle". JMO, that piece of the puzzle is Michelle's body.

So, in your opinion, what areas should we continue to search? What have we missed that could help LE find Michelle and close this case?

JMO/MOO

IMO it is very unusual in a missing person case that the police so openly identify a suspect, so I would agree with you that they must have some evidence that points to Dale's involvement, however because it has been such a relative long time from the disappearance I personally need to wander about the qualitative and quantitative nature of said evidence, that skepticism was reinforced to me by the last statement made by the police characterizing what they have as limited evidence and little information (and I am possibly paraphrasing here), in any case I cannot comment on evidence which I am not aware of and I really would hate to speculate in this instance.

As to where to search I did make a relative long post on the subject earlier and for the sake of brevity I don't think it necessary to restate it in this post and now, but then again your opinion here would be as valid and probably more so then mine since I don't live in Florida and perhaps you do, since there is quite a difference between looking at a map and be acquainted psychically with a particular location, in that sense posts like that of Jazzmaster would be much more informative because it seems she actually goes and look at locations and that is something I find extremely helpful.

 

[Spice]

BBM

I'm confused by this post, Spice. I've been through I think all of these threads & don't remember reading anything that suggested all bartenders are slutty or aloof. This is where I have an issue bc several posters seem to constantly misconstrue posts to suit the need of making their opinions more viable.

The post is there and I read it with my own eyes. Its not all that far back actually, maybe a couple of weeks. I remember it distinctly because it infuriated me so much that I actually chose not to respond or post for a few days. It was also the post that nudged me to say something about the inappropriate obsession with Michelle's appearance. It was way out of bounds and there was no misconstruing it. It was an offensive, sexist generalization about women in general, and absolutely disrespectful victim bashing. The point is, women are so disrespected and reduced to sex objects in our society , that they are often victimized because of it and victim BASHED because of it. It is part of the problem in general.

If I'd have read any post that suggested all female bartenders were slutty, or anything remotely close to that, I'd have set their azzes straight. I myself am an ex-Hooters gal lol, so I'd take that to extreme heart. I loved it there, made good money during college, & did lots of charity stuff.

You may have missed the post Jerzey but it was there and is still there unless a mod deleted it. I haven't seen the poster on this thread in a while. If you feel you want to search for it, it comes before all the talk about Michelle possibly doing something other than "tanning" with her tanning business, about the fact that maybe she was less than honest with her family about what she was really doing with GLOW, and that she may have been in danger because she was a bartender "serving alcohol" to men and she was pretty. I am not making up all of the above inappropriate and wild innuendo. It was all written in these threads along with other posts that were not as direct but carry the exact same tone. There is no misconstruing it. It is what it is, and it is happening. Beach put a stop to it for a reason, she read it with her own two eyes as well.

Just bc there are some of us that don't just concentrate on Dale, it certainly doesn't mean we have an agenda to prove his innocence. I can only speak for myself in saying that I'm looking at all angles in Michelle's disappearance, not just looking at Dale. Debate is great, it helps sort through things.

I agree with you. I never implied that anyone had an agenda. I asked Thor why he was so invested in it not being Dale, when there is so much evidence to the contrary. I am sure my posts reflect the fact that I believe Dale is guilty and I am invested in that opinion. I was asking him why because I was curious.

However it's sure getting tiresome to have to keep repeating why a person's opinion is their opinion when it's the same answer over & over again. At that point it starts to become mundane bc obviously people don't care to hear it. If somebody doesn't agree with a post, that's ok, seriously - but if the answer to the question on the opinion is already there bc it's been asked a gazilliin times, then disengage might just be the proper answer.

It is getting tiresome for me, to hear about Michelle's imaginary drinking problems along with very thinly veiled and sometimes outright sexist comments regarding her appearance and goals with her GLOW business. I stand by what I have repeatedly said, her hair, her clothes,her job, her attractiveness are absolutely irrelevant to the fact that she has gone missing without a trace.

No one is asserting that everyone must concentrate on Dale, I am asserting that wildly speculating about Michelle and concentrating on her looks does nothing but generalize and victim bash. I am not misconstruing anything, I am reading what I am reading. Devil's advocate is one thing...making things up to avoid looking at the real picture is another. I am not saying that you are doing that personally.

If not Dale then who, what, when, where how? If Dale, then when, what, where how? I don't care what Michelle looks like, I just care about what happened to her and at whose hands.

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO it is very unusual in a missing person case that the police so openly identify a suspect, so I would agree with you that they must have some evidence that points to Dale's involvement, however because it has been such a relative long time from the disappearance I personally need to wander about the qualitative and quantitative nature of said evidence, that skepticism was reinforced to me by the last statement made by the police characterizing what they have as limited evidence and little information (and I am possibly paraphrasing here), in any case I cannot comment on evidence which I am not aware of and I really would hate to speculate in this instance.

As to where to search I did make a relative long post on the subject earlier and for the sake of brevity I don't think it necessary to restate it in this post and now, but then again your opinion here would be as valid and probably more so then mine since I don't live in Florida and perhaps you do, since there is quite a difference between looking at a map and be acquainted psychically with a particular location, in that sense posts like that of Jazzmaster would be much more informative because it seems she actually goes and look at locations and that is something I find extremely helpful.

SOMEONE knows where Michelle is. And I believe his first name starts with a D and last name with an S.....however I have found a prime spot I believe could be close after checking some areas this week. It's storming bad here off and on. Was going to take a couple of friends from the knitting group out searching. Unfortuntely looks like it's suppose to storm all weekend.

 

[What'sThatClue]

IMO it is very unusual in a missing person case that the police so openly identify a suspect, so I would agree with you that they must have some evidence that points to Dale's involvement, however because it has been such a relative long time from the disappearance I personally need to wander about the qualitative and quantitative nature of said evidence, that skepticism was reinforced to me by the last statement made by the police characterizing what they have as limited evidence and little information (and I am possibly paraphrasing here), in any case I cannot comment on evidence which I am not aware of and I really would hate to speculate in this instance.

As to where to search I did make a relative long post on the subject earlier and for the sake of brevity I don't think it necessary to restate it in this post and now, but then again your opinion here would be as valid and probably more so then mine since I don't live in Florida and perhaps you do, since there is quite a difference between looking at a map and be acquainted psychically with a particular location, in that sense posts like that of Jazzmaster would be much more informative because it seems she actually goes and look at locations and that is something I find extremely helpful.

Thanks, Thor. I do live in the area and I do go out searching places Michelle might be hidden. I'm just not as vocal about it as Jazzmaster has been, bless her heart. And even if and when my group finds something or something looks suspicious, the detectives involved would be notified immediately and I would not post it on this, or any other, board until LE gave me the go-ahead. But areas to be searched...hey, I'd love some input from others so we can help find Michelle.

Maps are valuable tools. I use them and zoom in on places where Michelle might have been hidden. That you're not in the area doesn't mean you wouldn't possibly have valuable input as to areas to search.

LE indicated during their press conference that they have evidence, they just need "one more piece of the puzzle." To me, that means Michelle's body but that's JMO. In any event, I wouldn't consider "One more piece of the puzzle" to be "limited evidence and little information", but rather exactly what LE stated---they just need one more piece of the puzzle. JMO, LE wants to build an airtight case against Dale and they are close, very close.

I'll search for your long post on the subject of what areas might be good to search for Michelle.

 

[Thor]

SOMEONE knows where Michelle is. And I believe his first name starts with a D and last name with an S.....however I have found a prime spot I believe could be close after checking some areas this week. It's storming bad here off and on. Was going to take a couple of friends from the knitting group out searching. Unfortuntely looks like it's suppose to storm all weekend.

Well keep up the good work ... I think you need as many volunteers as possible and do a systematic search starting from the condo and outward by following all possible trajectories of the H3. I think this website would be ideal as a sort of headquarters where to compare notes and coordinate the search. Of course I don't share your beliefs on a particular suspect but that is not crucial to the effort as suggested.

 

[Spice]

LE indicated during their press conference that they have evidence, they just need "one more piece of the puzzle." To me, that means Michelle's body but that's JMO. In any event, I wouldn't consider "One more piece of the puzzle" to be "limited evidence and little information", but rather exactly what LE stated---they just need one more piece of the puzzle. JMO, LE wants to build an airtight case against Dale and they are close, very close.

Exactly! They almost never arrest without a body. They did not arrest Scott until Laci's body washed ashore a half a year later, but he was their prime suspect and they had him under surveillance and wire taps the entire time. They watched his every move very closely, building their case, but never made an arrest until they had their last piece of the puzzle. Laci and Conner's bodies.

Just because he hasn't been arrested means nothing, but that he has been named their only and prime suspect means a lot. They are watching and building and we the public know very little about what they know about Dale regarding Michelle's disappearance.

All in due time. The truth always reveals itself.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Thanks, Thor. I do live in the area and I do go out searching places Michelle might be hidden. I'm just not as vocal about it as Jazzmaster has been, bless her heart. And even if and when my group finds something or something looks suspicious, the detectives involved would be notified immediately and I would not post it on this, or any other, board until LE gave me the go-ahead. But areas to be searched...hey, I'd love some input from others so we can help find Michelle.

Maps are valuable tools. I use them and zoom in on places where Michelle might have been hidden. That you're not in the area doesn't mean you wouldn't possibly have valuable input as to areas to search.

LE indicated during their press conference that they have evidence, they just need "one more piece of the puzzle." To me, that means Michelle's body but that's JMO. In any event, I wouldn't consider "One more piece of the puzzle" to be "limited evidence and little information", but rather exactly what LE stated---they just need one more piece of the puzzle. JMO, LE wants to build an airtight case against Dale and they are close, very close.

I'll search for your long post on the subject of what areas might be good to search for Michelle.

Good points again Clue! You are on a roll...I don't mention the places I'm going with dates and times because Dale might meet me there...I am more stealth about it lol...especially 2 or 3 areas I believe have some "history". His FB and social media have been helpful. Can't believe he didn't delete ALL of the photos....we will find Michelle! Thanks for all you are doing for Michelle! NGU!

LE is REAL close. I love how tight lipped they have been. Simply brilliant...can't wait for sunshine laws to kick in and we see the fine work detectives like MM have been doing. So glad for OPD! All jmo

 

[Jazzmaster]

Well keep up the good work ... I think you need as many volunteers as possible and do a systematic search starting from the condo and outward by following all possible trajectories of the H3. I think this website would be ideal as a sort of headquarters where to compare notes and coordinate the search. Of course I don't share your beliefs on a particular suspect but that is not crucial to the effort as suggested.

Are you still leaning toward the one armed bar bandit? Lol