FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #21

[FrayedKnot]

So do we know for a fact that DS at one point was a meth user (notwithstanding whether he is currently or not)?

I am trying to understand where the meth addict accusations are coming from. (Sorry for the constant questions, but it's very hard for a latecomer to this thread to sort fact from fiction).

Yeah, that one kinda threw me for a loop, too! I think the assumption was made that because he had previous drug charges for ecstasy which is MDMA, a form of methamphetamine, that he was currently a meth user.

IDK. It might be true, but IMO it's a bit of a leap.

 

[SleuthDecay]

FOUND IT! YAY!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/23/ng.01.html

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I believe Lauren was speaking in past tense there. Yvonne definitely said that Michelle had recently graduated.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

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I believe Lauren was speaking in past tense there. Yvonne definitely said that Michelle had recently graduated.

Yeah, that's what Sparky said too. Do you (or anybody) know which cosmetology school she attended? There are several schools but I believe the big ones there are Paul Mitchell & Aveda. Don't know just trying to remember what was there years ago, but I think Aveda is new bc a good friend of mine just woke up one day said she wants to do hair, signed up for Aveda, loved it & now is a private stylist & cosmetologist lol.

 

[Jazzmaster]

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I believe Lauren was speaking in past tense there. Yvonne definitely said that Michelle had recently graduated.

I agree with you here. The family was emotional and probably said some things in the first few days they wish they could take back knowing what they know today. MOO. BP and GP seem to have been vocal about Dale from the start but the other side YS and Lauren seemed to give Dale the benefit of doubt...at least from a media standpoint....until he was publicly named the ONLY suspect.

 

[SleuthDecay]

I agree with you here. The family was emotional and probably said some things in the first few days they wish they could take back knowing what they know today. MOO. BP and GP seem to have been vocal about Dale from the start but the other side YS and Lauren seemed to give Dale the benefit of doubt...at least from a media standpoint....until he was publicly named the ONLY suspect.

IMO, Lauren was speaking in past tense, as in, Michelle "was" [before she graduated] attending school and working two jobs. I do know that YS definitely said Michelle had already graduated.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Going back through my notes I noticed Dale's Buck Fuddy/jediscout aol accounts were traced back to a po box that looks like it was used by Dale as well. I am trying to find the links to connect the dots but Dale's Buck account seems to have a pretty lengthy history. Still wondering why Dale chose to call Michelle an escort through that fake FB account and what other deceitful activities took place through this account. All jmo

 

[Kamille]

Enough my gosh. Nobody's saying she isn't a victim for crying out loud. Gmab. Again, with all the talk & pics of Dale drinking, there's the same amount of Michelle. It's a fact in pictures. I'm certainly not saying she's not a victim but let's not purify the situation just to make it look good. She's a normal human being for crying out loud that drank as well as most people do. That doesn't in the slightest suggest she's not a victim.

BBM

I seriously beg to differ on this "fact". Every picture I've dug up online of DSJr that is not him posing in his various costumes, or in a parade, is of him at a bar or party of some type with a drink in one or both hands. Where are all these pictures of Michelle? I've seen a lot of pictures of her but very few where she has a drink and I believe most of those were on the few social outings that DSJr took her on. He went out an awful lot without her in those 5 years they were together "off and on".

I think the point was that there is documented proof that DSJr is violent and impulsive when he's drinking. He has beaten on people after a night of drinking and that is when the drinking constitutes a "problem". Michelle did not have a drinking "problem". She may have been a social drinker but there is no public record of her beating on her significant other after returning home after a night of drinking. Or smashing a chair over someone's head after crashing a party.

And since most of her day on November 17th has been accounted for and she was not drinking, we cannot say the same about DSJr. We do not know what he was doing that day prior to her arriving at his home. So whether or not Michelle drank socially, it is not relevant to what may have happened to her that day. But DSJr's obvious problem with alchohol may be relevant if he was putting back quite a few during the day and while watching himself being made a fool of on the People's Court.

MOO

 

[SleuthDecay]

BBM

I seriously beg to differ on this "fact". Every picture I've dug up online of DSJr that is not him posing in his various costumes, or in a parade, is of him at a bar or party of some type with a drink in one or both hands. Where are all these pictures of Michelle? I've seen a lot of pictures of her but very few where she has a drink and I believe most of those were on the few social outings that DSJr took her on. He went out an awful lot without her in those 5 years they were together "off and on".

I think the point was that there is documented proof that DSJr is violent and impulsive when he's drinking. He has beaten on people after a night of drinking and that is when the drinking constitutes a "problem". Michelle did not have a drinking "problem". She may have been a social drinker but there is no public record of her beating on her significant other after returning home after a night of drinking. Or smashing a chair over someone's head after crashing a party.

And since most of her day on November 17th has been accounted for and she was not drinking, we cannot say the same about DSJr. We do not know what he was doing that day prior to her arriving at his home. So whether or not Michelle drank socially, it is not relevant to what may have happened to her that day. But DSJr's obvious problem with alchohol may be relevant if he was putting back quite a few during the day and while watching himself being made a fool of on the People's Court.

MOO

Well said, thank you

 

[GrammaMaybe]

Nobodynoz, would you consider adding the question: What areas have been searched? By whom? Where dogs used?

Did anyone else notice that there is a container company on Hoffner near Semoran? I was unable to ascertain whether or not it has a locking gate in the front since I don't live in the area and only have Google to rely on. There is also a dense wooded area across the street that has a little paved road where a truck could pull off and it's on the route to where the Hummer was dumped. Has it been searched?

 

[GrammaMaybe]

Well said, thank you

Yes, Kamille, well done--and chock full of facts, too. Thank you.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Nobodynoz, would you consider adding the question: What areas have been searched? By whom? Where dogs used?

Did anyone else notice that there is a container company on Hoffner near Semoran? I was unable to ascertain whether or not it has a locking gate in the front since I don't live in the area and only have Google to rely on. There is also a dense wooded area across the street that has a little paved road where a truck could pull off and it's on the route to where the Hummer was dumped. Has it been searched?

I have been by here. They have barrels that certainly could fit a body. Not sure how much if any searching was done in this direct area. I know they close relatively early iirc and Dale may be familiar with this place for work related activities. Jmo

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BBM

I seriously beg to differ on this "fact". Every picture I've dug up online of DSJr that is not him posing in his various costumes, or in a parade, is of him at a bar or party of some type with a drink in one or both hands. Where are all these pictures of Michelle? I've seen a lot of pictures of her but very few where she has a drink and I believe most of those were on the few social outings that DSJr took her on. He went out an awful lot without her in those 5 years they were together "off and on".

I think the point was that there is documented proof that DSJr is violent and impulsive when he's drinking. He has beaten on people after a night of drinking and that is when the drinking constitutes a "problem". Michelle did not have a drinking "problem". She may have been a social drinker but there is no public record of her beating on her significant other after returning home after a night of drinking. Or smashing a chair over someone's head after crashing a party.

And since most of her day on November 17th has been accounted for and she was not drinking, we cannot say the same about DSJr. We do not know what he was doing that day prior to her arriving at his home. So whether or not Michelle drank socially, it is not relevant to what may have happened to her that day. But DSJr's obvious problem with alchohol may be relevant if he was putting back quite a few during the day and while watching himself being made a fool of on the People's Court.

MOO

No, what was being said that I was referring to were all the drinking comments & meth comments. Literally. I stand by my post & understand that you disagree. That's fine. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you and others. Again, I'm just sticking to facts. That's what I'm posting on. I'm not going off of innuendo bc imvho that's too much of a slippery slope to deal with. As far as costumes go, are you suggesting that what Michelle wore at work bar tending was her daily attire bc I don't think it was...just like Dale's costuming thing isn't his everyday attire. When they dressed for something, they dressed for the "part".

Do I think Dale could be responsible? Sure I do, but I also think there's a chance he may not be responsible. I only care about the victim, that's what I'm here for. I'm not here to make friends or to agree with the majority for the sheer sake of agreeing. I'm not being argumentative at all, just honest. I'm sticking to facts & posting based on as much fact as I can. The chips will fall where they may. If Dale ends up being guilty and convicted, I'll clap bc they put the perp away. If its not Dale but it's somebody else that's charged & found guilty, I'll clap in that same situation bc they got the perp & put them away. Either way I'm here for Michelle, not anyone else, and I don't even know her - but I care enough to dig, post what I find, comment in truth, and I feel good about that. It just seems like whenever a poster doesn't agree with another's opinion, they get badgered or made to explain this & explain that even after its been explained again & again & again. It's ok. I can post on my opinion.

Michelle is a victim. Nobody said she wasn't. Those words shouldn't keep getting misconstrued.

Sometimes I agree with others & other times I don't. That's my prerogative.

 

[Thor]

BBM

I seriously beg to differ on this "fact". Every picture I've dug up online of DSJr that is not him posing in his various costumes, or in a parade, is of him at a bar or party of some type with a drink in one or both hands. Where are all these pictures of Michelle? I've seen a lot of pictures of her but very few where she has a drink and I believe most of those were on the few social outings that DSJr took her on. He went out an awful lot without her in those 5 years they were together "off and on".

I think the point was that there is documented proof that DSJr is violent and impulsive when he's drinking. He has beaten on people after a night of drinking and that is when the drinking constitutes a "problem". Michelle did not have a drinking "problem". She may have been a social drinker but there is no public record of her beating on her significant other after returning home after a night of drinking. Or smashing a chair over someone's head after crashing a party.

And since most of her day on November 17th has been accounted for and she was not drinking, we cannot say the same about DSJr. We do not know what he was doing that day prior to her arriving at his home. So whether or not Michelle drank socially, it is not relevant to what may have happened to her that day. But DSJr's obvious problem with alchohol may be relevant if he was putting back quite a few during the day and while watching himself being made a fool of on the People's Court.

MOO

I don't think jersey*girl said MP had a drinking problem, IMO she simply stated that there are pictures of her drinking with Dale, I believe that she also conveyed the idea that drinking alone is not in itself either bad or particularly uncommon, especially at that age and under those circumstances.

One last note having nothing to do with MP or DS ... I do have quite a bit of friends who although have never being explicitly violent they do in fact have a drinking problem, some a serious one at that.

 

[Jazzmaster]

No, what was being said that I was referring to were all the drinking comments & meth comments. Literally. I stand by my post & understand that you disagree. That's fine. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you and others. Again, I'm just sticking to facts. That's what I'm posting on. I'm not going off of innuendo bc imvho that's too much of a slippery slope to deal with. As far as costumes go, are you suggesting that what Michelle wore at work bar tending was her daily attire bc I don't think it was...just like Dale's costuming thing isn't his everyday attire. When they dressed for something, they dressed for the "part".

Do I think Dale could be responsible? Sure I do, but I also think there's a chance he may not be responsible. I only care about the victim, that's what I'm here for. I'm not here to make friends or to agree with the majority for the sheer sake of agreeing. I'm not being argumentative at all, just honest. I'm sticking to facts & posting based on as much fact as I can. The chips will fall where they may. If Dale ends up being guilty and convicted, I'll clap bc they put the perp away. If its not Dale but it's somebody else that's charged & found guilty, I'll clap in that same situation bc they got the perp & put them away. Either way I'm here for Michelle, not anyone else, and I don't even know her - but I care enough to dig, post what I find, comment in truth, and I feel good about that. It just seems like whenever a poster doesn't agree with another's opinion, they get badgered or made to explain this & explain that even after its been explained again & again & again. It's ok. I can post on my opinion.

Michelle is a victim. Nobody said she wasn't. Those words shouldn't keep getting misconstrued.

Sometimes I agree with others & one times I don't. That's my prerogative.

I agree we are all entitled to opinions...that's a big part of what makes this site so interesting...the various points of view. We are allowed our own opinions but not our own set of facts. It was stated, "Again, with all the talk & pics of Dale drinking, there's the same amount of Michelle. It's a fact in pictures"

This is NOT fact if you compare photo albums of Dale versus Michelle there are Wayyyyy more photos of Dale drinking it up then Michelle. It has been reported Dale had a drinking and drug problem and he has a criminal record to back it up....Michelle does not..that was the point! Many were not disagreeing with your opinion but rather your set of facts in your post...

 

[Jazzmaster]

I don't think jersey*girl said MP had a drinking problem, IMO she simply stated that there are pictures of her drinking with Dale, I believe that she also conveyed the idea that drinking alone is not in itself either bad or particularly uncommon, especially at that age and under those circumstances.

One last note having nothing to do with MP or DS ... I do have quite a bit of friends who although have never being explicitly violent they do in fact have a drinking problem, some a serious one at that.

But Dale has a drinking problem AND is explicitly violent...BIG difference! Moo

 

[What'sThatClue]

BBM

I seriously beg to differ on this "fact". Every picture I've dug up online of DSJr that is not him posing in his various costumes, or in a parade, is of him at a bar or party of some type with a drink in one or both hands. Where are all these pictures of Michelle? I've seen a lot of pictures of her but very few where she has a drink and I believe most of those were on the few social outings that DSJr took her on. He went out an awful lot without her in those 5 years they were together "off and on".

I think the point was that there is documented proof that DSJr is violent and impulsive when he's drinking. He has beaten on people after a night of drinking and that is when the drinking constitutes a "problem". Michelle did not have a drinking "problem". She may have been a social drinker but there
is no public record of her beating on her significant other after returning home after a night of drinking. Or smashing a chair over someone's head after crashing a party.

And since most of her day on November 17th has been accounted for and she was not drinking, we cannot say the same about DSJr. We do not know what he was doing that day prior to her arriving at his home. So whether or not
Michelle drank socially, it is not relevant to what may have happened to her that day. But DSJr's obvious problem with alchohol may be relevant if he was putting back quite a few during the day and while watching himself being made a fool of on the People's Court.
MOO

Beautiful post. Thank you button wasn't enough.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I agree we are all entitled to opinions...that's a big part of what makes this site so interesting...the various points of view. We are allowed our own opinions but not our own set of facts. It was stated, "Again, with all the talk & pics of Dale drinking, there's the same amount of Michelle. It's a fact in pictures"

This is NOT fact if you compare photo albums of Dale versus Michelle there are Wayyyyy more photos of Dale drinking it up then Michelle. It has been reported Dale had a drinking and drug problem and he has a criminal reord to back it up....Michelle does not..that was the point! Many were not disagreeing with your opinion but rather your set of facts in your post...

Thanks Jazz. Maybe I'm just tired. I've been on here all day. Idk. Just so you guys know I do respect your opinions but in all fairness I do post with sincerity & honesty. I still stand by my post, though. Btw, let it be known I'm not "sticking up for Dale" even though a select group of us get classified as supporters. Just bc I don't follow the clique doesn't mean I don't agree. I just happen to do both - agree with some points but disagree with others. That certainly doesn't classify myself as a supporter, or anyone else for that matter, but that phrase keeps coming up & it's rather odd to me.

 

[Thor]

But Dale has a drinking problem AND is explicitly violent...BIG difference! Moo

Ok we agree that one does not need to be violent to have a drinking problem and people that have drinking problems may also be violent.

But going back to jersey*girl post IMO she was not getting into a battle of whose drinking is better or worse, I don't think that is the kind of value judgment jersey*girl would make judging from her other posts, but only an expression of that kind of frustration (all too familiar to me) about how everything that Dale does is so often portrayed in such negative tones, in this case simply having fun at a party (while drinking) or wearing a costume and so on.

I do agree with you about his violent tendencies and how drinking can potentially exacerbate those very tendencies.

 

[SleuthDecay]

No, what was being said that I was referring to were all the drinking comments & meth comments. Literally. I stand by my post & understand that you disagree. That's fine. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you and others. Again, I'm just sticking to facts. That's what I'm posting on. I'm not going off of innuendo bc imvho that's too much of a slippery slope to deal with. As far as costumes go, are you suggesting that what Michelle wore at work bar tending was her daily attire bc I don't think it was...just like Dale's costuming thing isn't his everyday attire. When they dressed for something, they dressed for the "part".

Do I think Dale could be responsible? Sure I do, but I also think there's a chance he may not be responsible. I only care about the victim, that's what I'm here for. I'm not here to make friends or to agree with the majority for the sheer sake of agreeing. I'm not being argumentative at all, just honest. I'm sticking to facts & posting based on as much fact as I can. The chips will fall where they may. If Dale ends up being guilty and convicted, I'll clap bc they put the perp away. If its not Dale but it's somebody else that's charged & found guilty, I'll clap in that same situation bc they got the perp & put them away. Either way I'm here for Michelle, not anyone else, and I don't even know her - but I care enough to dig, post what I find, comment in truth, and I feel good about that. It just seems like whenever a poster doesn't agree with another's opinion, they get badgered or made to explain this & explain that even after its been explained again & again & again. It's ok. I can post on my opinion.

Michelle is a victim. Nobody said she wasn't. Those words shouldn't keep getting misconstrued.

Sometimes I agree with others & other times I don't. That's my prerogative.

Agreed, that is entirely your prerogative. Here's the thing, though. We have evidence that Dale Smith Jr. had a serious drinking problem (just look at his record). Where is the evidence that Michelle had a serious drinking problem? She admitted in the PC episode that she sometimes drank with Dale, but beyond that, where is the evidence that she had a chronic problem with alcohol? If any evidence of this exists, I am unaware of it.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Ok we agree that one does not need to be violent to have a drinking problem and people that have drinking problems may also be violent.

But going back to jersey*girl post IMO she was not getting into a battle of whose drinking is better or worse, I don't think that is the kind of value judgment jersey*girl would make judging from her other posts, but only an expression of that kind of frustration (all too familiar to me) about how everything that Dale does is so often portrayed in such negative tones, in this case simply having fun at a party (while drinking) or wearing a costume and so on.

I do agree with you about his violent tendencies and how drinking can potentially exacerbate those very tendencies.

Yes but if Dale was just having fun at a party while drinking and wearing a costume that would be one thing...while drinking he gets in fights, participates in murder, and beats women...how can THAT be portrayed in a positive tone?