FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - # 6

[katydid23]

Who did he murder?

There are links to the articles further back in the thread. But essentially he and a group of thugs beat up and stabbed another young man, a lifeguard, just for the heck of it.

 

[telemag]

I think he has a very strong motive. They were still in the midst of a difficult custody dispute. And they were still fighting over child support. People who know him have said he is very involved with and close to his children. But he had no locked down custody arrangement and they had many battles over that in the past. She used to prohibit him from seeing the kids when she was angry. Many spouses have killed over custody disputes/child support issues.


And people here have offered scenarios which would have given him plenty of time. His alibi is his father. Does that seem like an airtight alibi to you?

I'm not talking about an alibi I mean time frame. There seems to have been a lot to do in a short amount of time.

 

[summert1129]

I think he has a very strong motive. They were still in the midst of a difficult custody dispute. And they were still fighting over child support. People who know him have said he is very involved with and close to his children. But he had no locked down custody arrangement and they had many battles over that in the past. She used to prohibit him from seeing the kids when she was angry. Many spouses have killed over custody disputes/child support issues.


And people here have offered scenarios which would have given him plenty of time. His alibi is his father. Does that seem like an airtight alibi to you?

Agreed! Pretty strong motive, pretty weak alibi.

 

[summert1129]

I'm not talking about an alibi I mean time frame. There seems to have been a lot to do in a short amount of time.

Time frame is something we DO NOT know for fact...

 

[Private Dallasite]

I think it is good that LE keeps some of their evidence hidden from the public, although it is frustrating for us who want to know. I am hoping they have solid evidence so that the guilty party has to pay. In moo, I believe it is DS jr.

Imo le enforcement learned what not to do from the Caylee Anthony case.

 

[SindyBill]

Though I wouldn't be SURPRISED if Dale did it, at this point - MN believes in him and having a lot of personal respect for MN - I am reserving judgment. I also know, having been represented by that particular law firm in the past, that they operate on ethics and expect their clients to be truthful to them. If it turns out that Dale lied, MN would probably drop him as a client. That being said, I think all the media speculation is dangerous. Not only could it taint future jury pools so much that all that could be left over would be the dumbest 12 people around with zero common sense..but it could be taking the focus off of finding the REAL killer/kidnapper..or reason period that Michelle is missing. I agree that DS isn't some upstanding guy..however I also know lots of men with past records who have turned their lives around and became great husbands and fathers. He very well COULD be the reason Michelle is gone, but there isn't enough PRESENT-DAY evidence to suggest that he is yet..and him being named the prime suspect doesn't do it for me without reasons as to why..and probable cause can be any old b/s...JMO

 

[Bittiness39]

I'm not talking about an alibi I mean time frame. There seems to have been a lot to do in a short amount of time.

I am guesing 4-6 hours. But no idea. The only timeframe we have has been given to us via the media. 3-4 she drops the kids off. at 4:26 her cell phone texts her brother. 8 pm cell phone of hers is powered off. Near where LE is searching. Her mother calls her ex (the primary suspect) sometime after 10:00pm and says she is missing, he says" Uh okay" and drives to work in Titusville the very next morning.

And yes, the murder of the individual was at least, in part, by witness testimony, to be facilitated by DS. So yeah...is he capable? Sure. Is he culpuable? If I were to ask my 8-ball...all signs would point to yes.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not talking about an alibi I mean time frame. There seems to have been a lot to do in a short amount of time.

But the time frame was based upon his alibi. In other words, his 72 minutes was based upon the time it took him to get to his parents house with his kids. He assumes then that once he arrived at his parents home, then all bets are off and he did nothing to cover up a crime. But many of us believe that his parents would lie for him if necessary. How do we know that he did not just drop off the kids and go back to the scene of the crime? Or drop the body off with someone else and have them dispose of the evidence?

 

[telemag]

But the time frame was based upon his alibi. In other words, his 72 minutes was based upon the time it took him to get to his parents house with his kids. He assumes then that once he arrived at his parents home, then all bets are off and he did nothing to cover up a crime. But many of us believe that his parents would lie for him if necessary. How do we know that he did not just drop off the kids and go back to the scene of the crime? Or drop the body off with someone else and have them dispose of the evidence?

OK so we do know that she made a text at 4:30 about a half hour after she dropped the kids off correct or maybe I'm wrong. If so then Dale had to have somehow found out where she was after he dropped off the kids? Did he call her? I'm sure phone records would show this. Wasn't she supposed to be at work at around 7 or 7:30? If so then this narrows things down quite a bit.

 

[Talina]

But the time frame was based upon his alibi. In other words, his 72 minutes was based upon the time it took him to get to his parents house with his kids. He assumes then that once he arrived at his parents home, then all bets are off and he did nothing to cover up a crime. But many of us believe that his parents would lie for him if necessary. How do we know that he did not just drop off the kids and go back to the scene of the crime? Or drop the body off with someone else and have them dispose of the evidence?

What I do believe for sure is that LE knows answers to a lot of the questions we have about the time frame. It is not often, at least not any times that I can remember, that LE so quickly and firmly publicly names someone as a primary suspect. More often than not, they say no one has been ruled out or that they have a "person or persons of interest" and even then those "persons of interest" are often not even publicly named. Rarely do we hear, from what I recall, of a public announcement of a primary suspect. Couple that with the swat team raid on the fathers residence. Something is definitely known to LE that they are keeping close to the vest and I'm glad they are, as frustrating as it is for us right now.

 

[katydid23]

OK so we do know that she made a text at 4:30 about a half hour after she dropped the kids off correct or maybe I'm wrong. If so then Dale had to have somehow found out where she was after he dropped off the kids? Did he call her? I'm sure phone records would show this. Wasn't she supposed to be at work at around 7 or 7:30? If so then this narrows things down quite a bit.

No, we do not know that she made that text. in fact, her brother does not think it was her at all. It was a one word reply, which was very uncharacteristic of her. Also, it said 'Waterford" which was not accurate at all. Her phone pinged nowhere near Waterford, so why would she tell her brother she was there? It leads people to believe it was the kidnapper who wrote that text, and perhaps trying to throw people off.

 

[telemag]

What I do believe for sure is that LE knows answers to a lot of the questions we have about the time frame. It is not often, at least not any times that I can remember, that LE so quickly and firmly publicly names someone as a primary suspect. More often than not, they say no one has been ruled out or that they have a "person or persons of interest" and even then those "persons of interest" are often not even publicly named. Rarely do we hear, from what I recall, of a public announcement of a primary suspect. Couple that with the swat team raid on the fathers residence. Something is definitely known to LE that they are keeping close to the vest and I'm glad they are, as frustrating as it is for us right now.

Or they could have just jumped the gun and now they are trying to save face because of what was NOT found in the raid.

 

[JadedGrace]

I'm not talking about an alibi I mean time frame. There seems to have been a lot to do in a short amount of time.

I see your point if we are operating under the assumption that she would had to have been murdered, and then immediately placed where ever she currently is. If we were looking at a time frame of an hour or two where the act would have had to be complete, then yes i would agree it doesn't seem like enough time.

Before I say this obviously i would like to point out - it could turn out she is alive somewhere, or that someone else completely did this to her - however, right now LE has to go on what they've got, you know? They've got to look where signs are leading them, before time runs out. Right now, they don't have any other possibilities to be investigating.

Now to what I was going to say- (phrasing this as hypothetically as possible, considering this is just a what if )

Theoretically , with any murder- Time frame becomes less of an issue when you consider how quickly a murder can occur. Even if it were in fit of rage and not intentional - A blow to the head, a strangulation- those things take a mere matter of minutes. These things also would leave little, if any physical evidence to "hide" that would have been present if LE searched a home that night a person went missing (and with that search we must consider, there was no warrant so it's unlikely it was a full on crime scene search- it was most likely a walk through just to see if she was present where small amounts of evidence could easily be over looked). A body could be placed quickly in a vehicle and moved somewhere temporarily while a plan was devised. Body could be delivered to some one else to dispose of - allowing the murderer to appear as though he or she was somewhere else and "couldn't possible have had time".


My point , I'm trying to make is - No one has any idea if Dale or Dale sr, or a random guy on the street did anything to her. No one knows - but LE is going on what the most likely scenario is, in hopes of finding her as soon as possible. Clearly in their pursuit of this family they have found some kind of evidence- or they wouldn't have been granted a search warrant. None of us know for sure what has happened to her- but that's kind of the point of this forum- to raise possible scenarios .

 

[telemag]

No, we do not know that she made that text. in fact, her brother does not think it was her at all. It was a one word reply, which was very uncharacteristic of her. Also, it said 'Waterford" which was not accurate at all. Her phone pinged nowhere near Waterford, so why would she tell her brother she was there? It leads people to believe it was the kidnapper who wrote that text, and perhaps trying to throw people off.

Thanks, so what time did she text her BF? thought it was around 3:15. OK so she got to Dale's at around 4 and how long did she stay for? Apparently not that long. So at 4:30 she texted her brother back with a one word text he claims is not likely for her to do. If this is true then we might assume that she has already been abducted. So she drives away from Dale's sometime after 4 and by 4:30 she had already been abducted? IF and I say IF this is true then this really makes things complicated as to who did this and what the details are as to how it happened.

 

[maedlamsmom]

Lots of maybes here. As I said there is zero proof he had anything to so with Michelle's disappearance. Yes he has a history of violence, but not against his kids. You can't just take a kid away from their parents because he or she shoved someone or got in a fist fight.

I believe that allegations of domestic violence toward MP have been made public since her disappearance. It has also been alleged that these incidents occurred within the presence of the minor children. This is in fact child abuse. I think that this is the cause for CPS's concern, not soley based on le naming him a prime suspect. I think that the incidents were dealt with privately (for the most part) prior to MP going missing, but due to the investigation, they came to light. Hence the custody hearing.

 

[Talina]

Or they could have just jumped the gun and now they are trying to save face because of what was NOT found in the raid.

That's a possibility if one is leaning more towards that line of thinking.

I, however, am not of that opinion. I have no idea what evidence LE has at this point but I do not believe it is typical for them to publicly name a primary suspect so that in and of itself has gotten my attention.

As for the suspect, MN is going to say there is not one shred of evidence for his client to be named the primary suspect. That's his job. I also do not believe for one second that he knows what LE has by way of hard or circumstantial evidence against Dale as of now because they do not have to disclose that to him at this point. MN can only go on what Dale is telling him and of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent.

 

[katydid23]

Or they could have just jumped the gun and now they are trying to save face because of what was NOT found in the raid.

Maybe, but this is a pretty experienced and well respected police department. I think they do have some damning evidence. There has been some speculation that they have some interesting video from the drop off scene. They released the video which shows her arriving with the twins. But you will notice they have not released the video of her driving away 10 minutes later, which is what Dale has said happened. I wonder why not. Locals have said that she could get out another way, but it would take her a long way around. So imo, that seems hinky. I bet LE thinks it is weird too.

 

[JadedGrace]

OK so we do know that she made a text at 4:30 about a half hour after she dropped the kids off correct or maybe I'm wrong. If so then Dale had to have somehow found out where she was after he dropped off the kids? Did he call her? I'm sure phone records would show this. Wasn't she supposed to be at work at around 7 or 7:30? If so then this narrows things down quite a bit.

A text was sent from her phone at 4 30, however no one knows if it was actually her who sent the text. She picked the children up from school at (iirc) 2:30 and then made the drive to his house. Again, iirc , the original time stamped video of her arriving in his neighborhood was 3 18 - however he says she arrived at 4, and now her family has also said they believe the time stamp was wrong and it was actually 4 when she arrived at his home.

So we "know" it was either 3 18, or 4 when she arrived at his home. There has not yet been released any time of her vehicle leaving his home. So either that info is being kept private- or her vehicle possibly left another route from his neighborhood and wasn't caught on camera.

No one has come forward claiming to have seen her after that time.

Her vehicle was discovered abandoned in a parking lot- and neighbors first noticed it there around 1030 that night.

So we "know" that whatever happened to her most likely
occurred between either 3:18 or 4 (whatever time it truly was that she arrived) and 1030 when her car was found.


Again no red flag saying "hey he totally did it". However, with him being the last place she was known to be alive, and nothing else to go on- it makes him "prime suspect" until/if other evidence comes to light.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks, so what time did she text her BF? thought it was around 3:15. OK so she got to Dale's at around 4 and how long did she stay for? Apparently not that long. So at 4:30 she texted her brother back with a one word text he claims is not likely for her to do. If this is true then we might assume that she has already been abducted. So she drives away from Dale's sometime after 4 and by 4:30 she had already been abducted? IF and I say IF this is true then this really makes things complicated as to who did this and what the details are as to how it happened.

Dale said she stayed for 10 minutes. I do not know if that means she came inside for 10 minutes or if they talked out by her Hummer for 10 minutes. But he claims that she left at 4:10. If so, really bad luck for him that a stranger abducts her just minutes after she leaves his condo.

At first I thought maybe she went to a gas station nearby and was carjacked. But I am sure that LE has surveilled any gas stations /convenience stores in the area by now. And if it was a stranger abduction then I think her body would have turned up alongside a road somewhere. It appears that someone took more care than just dumping her quickly.

I think it comes down to the simplicity of the scenario. The woman goes to her ex's to drop off her kids and then goes missing. Her car is found abandoned with her purse inside, but she and her cell phone are nowhere to be found. How often do we see this exact scenario?

eta: how many carjackers ever bother to reply to a victim's texts?

 

[katydid23]

Thanks, so what time did she text her BF? thought it was around 3:15. OK so she got to Dale's at around 4 and how long did she stay for? Apparently not that long. So at 4:30 she texted her brother back with a one word text he claims is not likely for her to do. If this is true then we might assume that she has already been abducted. So she drives away from Dale's sometime after 4 and by 4:30 she had already been abducted? IF and I say IF this is true then this really makes things complicated as to who did this and what the details are as to how it happened.

OR, she never actually drives away from his home at all. Either she was driven away or she was accompanied by someone who forced her to drive away,or maybe she was unconscious by 4:05. Who knows.