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JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE MARIE - STILL WAITING
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When I suggested you tread lightly, it is because a mod will shut you down for being disrespectful of another member, that's all.
Yes, Tina screwed up horribly, she allowed a monster, who was related to her husband to care for her child.
"as far as the grandmother...since she was not prepared to sacrifice or put herself out in any way to take charge of this baby before, why would she be given custody now??"
Do you know the family personally? Do you know something we don't that would make Shannon's Gma out to be a selfish, uncaring person? I don't see that, then I don't know them. All I know is what they've said to us. From that I see a mom who raised her 4 daughters including one with special needs the best she could, by herself. A mom trying to do the best for her daughter and grand daughter. Why shouldn't she be given custody? She did the best she could with what she had to work with. IIRC Her trying to get Tina to move Rusty and Shannon to TX caused problems between herself and Tina.
"IMHO she has proven she can't care for a child...this whole situation is proof positive"
The family isn't arguing this point, matter of fact they agree ...
The family told the state Tina could not care for a baby! They are not arguing this point, they never have. They were the first to bring it up!! If they had wanted to, they could have been quiet about Tina and her needs; then moved in for themselves and manipulated her into handing over Shannon. They tried to do it the right way, with the help of the state, but the state refused to help them.
The family has said "We were told if Tina can brush her teeth and tie her shoes, she can be a mother."
How does one respond to that statement? Aside from being a put down to good parents everywhere. It shows us their criteria sets the bar at a level many 5 year olds could meet.
What else were they supposed to do? They had as many safe guards in place as they could. If they had taken the baby, they would be the ones in trouble right now.
"the mother is strange....they reported that she was calmly smoking cigarettes after reporting her baby missing"
10/31- Why would Tina be upset upset? She knew Shannon was with Susan. She thought Shannon was safe there.
What was Tina told, that made her hand her baby over? We have only heard what Sue Baker said; Tina handed custody of the baby to her, not a single word as to why.
Since we can't believe a word out of Sue Baker's mouth, we still know nothing about why things happened the way they did. We still have no idea what was going on between Susan and Tina. What happened for Tina to hand Shannon over, yet call 911 the next morning and "Why did it seem like a good idea at the time"?
"Thanks to Tina Shannon remained in the box under the bed"
So many people (adults) in the family spoke out in defense of Sue, if she fooled them; I think Tina deserves the benefit of the doubt, that Sue manipulated her too.
If Tina just wanted to get rid of Shannon she knew there were family members who would take care of her. So I'm not buying what Sue Baker is putting out there.
❝Don't you think that the detectives used every trick, every emotion, tried to scare her, and still she didn't tell them where Shannon was?? Thanks to Tina, Shannon remained in the box under the bed...❞
Yes, I think LE did try every trick and every threat, they could think of; I think it worked too well. I think Tina became afraid of what would happen if she told, where Shannon really was. She had no idea Shannon was in a box. Who in hell puts a baby in a box under a bed??? Why would she think her baby was in harms way? She was with her husbands "Aunt Susan".
"she apparently smokes marijuana too...."
Twice letters were sent to CPS, both times the allegations were disproved or Tina and Rusty acted in compliance, to fix their mistakes. According to the CPS report, Tina was barely positive for pot, but she went along to rehab, with Rusty. She even went when Rusty didn't go.
if this baby has any chance it will be when she is placed with a new loving family
This type of comment is so inappropriate IMO; has a stranger ever showed up at your door and said "IMO you shouldn't be a parent?" or "The only chance your kid has, is if someone you aren't related to raises it..."
When was the last time you saw a document of eternal happiness handed out with an adoption certificate???
The trailer is filthy....the baby seems to have no emotions
CPS documents say otherwise. Reports were that the home was "messy" or "cluttered" never did CPS say it was filthy or had roaches.
One report stated Shannon smiled at her family members appropriately in response to them, another said Shannon smiled independent of someone trying to get her to smile.
When Shannon was at her press conference, she had been locked in a box for 12 hours and then rushed to the hospital. Mommy and Daddy were no where in sight, but she was being carried around by a bunch of big strange, crying men. And it was 1 AM! She didn't have much to smile about that night, from a little baby POV...
has the intelligence and emotions of a 13 year old....what love was shown to the baby??
One neighbor, Tanya Wilt, who said Mercer approached her Saturday morning to ask if she had seen her baby, described a happy child who did not seem to be abused as Susan Baker claimed.“A mistreated child is not content,” Wilt said.“That was a content child.”
No one is saying Shannon's life has been a piece of cake, so far. Yes, Shannon will probably do better with more experienced and mature adults around. But I've never seen anything about a 13 year old not being just as able to give and express love, as anyone else.
"I see nothing but an unfit mother who while manipulated allowed the manipulation....also her own family has said she is bi polar along with being mentally challenged...not a good candidate for motherhood IMHO"
"Court documents released Wednesday showed that child welfare workers in Florida began looking into allegations Shannon was being abused less than two weeks after she was born."
"But investigators reported that Shannon seemed to be cared for and repeatedly noted that the risk to the baby was “intermediate.” In September, an investigator said a physician determined that the child was healthy and expressed “no concerns regarding the baby."
"yes, Susan Baker is the monster here...but Tina sat there all the while knowing where her baby was."
IMO: Aside from Sue Baker the other people at fault here:
(1) James Baker: We know SB was found guilty in the abuse of Nina, the story she told last week was horrendous, yet he is still married to her.
Two people know what happened in that SC house in March 1987. LE found out enough about the child abuse to charge them both with the abuse of Paul, for leaving welts on the little 3 year old. One, possibly both, are responsible for Paul's death and disappearance.
(2) Circuit Court Judge Luke Brown; after SB was found guilty of assault and battery/high and aggravated nature of Nina; she was sentenced to (10) ten years. Brown suspended the sentence to time served plus 5 years probation.
S. Baker served 2 mos, 2 weeks, 5 days; for beating a six year old with a stick, which left her scars she can't recall getting and broken bones. Brown claimed "People want to see her punished for the Paul Baker case and I can't do that."
Judge had you just applied common sense about the harm done to Nina Baker and the slap you gave her when you set her abuser free, that would have worked for me...
(3)The state: For not putting Shannon into protective custody at birth. There were family members who would have taken Shannon and Tina since the beginning. They tried getting custody but were denied.
The State: for leaving Shannon in Bakers care from 10/31-11/4, if we figured it out, they should have too.
The State: Sent a deputy to the Baker's on 10/31; the deputy did a cursory look and fell for Sue Baker's crocodile tears, telling him how much she "loved" that child... Great big red flag, from day one.
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Has LE verified who "the children" were in the background while Sue gave her interview on 11/2? Or could they hear Shannon?I'll bet that gave Sue a real kick, first she got away with the murder of Paul and now she thought she was getting away with Shannon.
Similarities between the disappearance of Paul and Shannon.
8/2009: A letter went to Gov Crist claiming Shannon was abused and needed help. Was this her alibi?
1987: James Baker said he went to the exchange to buy some things and to get a haircut, when he returned there was a message from family services; "tell James Baker, his wife Linda Mott called and she has Paul."
1987: James Baker regarding his son, says the last time he saw Paul was 3/3 at supper. He was not reported missing until 3/5. Was Paul in the house on 3/5 when Sue says she took a nap?
2009: J Baker says he had no idea baby Shannon was inside the house the entire time. (How about part of that time, Jim?)
2009: Susan Baker insisted she was at home Saturday morning, 10/31 looking at the computer with her husband, and some type of log-in time stamp could prove this.
2009: James Baker's daughter Nina was asked if her father could be involved, she said, “Either she’s that good at lying and covering things up, or he’s that blind.” (S Baker served 80 days out of 10 years, for beating Nina in '87.)
2009: Tina said; in the 911 call; "I know for a fact my doors were locked last night, I locked them myself, just before going to bed.." Then she claimed the front door was open and looked jimmied when she got up.
1987: SB claims she told Paul and Nina to lay down for a nap, took 2 pills, locked the doors and went to bed. When she got up to look for Paul, the front door was unlocked and open.
2009: Per SB the family’s door remained latch-bolted shut everyday and “there was no way in this world that anybody could get in that trailer."
2009: 911 call: Tina claimed when she got up Shannon, who sleeps in a crib next to her bed, was gone. "Maybe my sisters in law came by and got her," she wondered out loud to 911.
1987: SB says Linda Mott called Family Services saying she had taken Paul.
2009: SB claimed she has heard Tina say she hates Shannon and wishes shewas dead, because Rusty isn't her dad (a claim she also made to Mr Gov. Crist)
1987: SB claimed: James hated Paul because he isn't his bio~child, & felt tricked into custody.
2009: SB closed Shannon in a 2x3ft box, under her bed; for at least 12 hours.
1987: SB tells her cell mate; she and James, buried Paul alive in the yard of a friend living nearby.
2009: “They need to pin Tina again st the wall … until she tells them what she did with that baby,” Baker said. “Instead of chasing ghosts into the bushes and stuff,” she said, “they need to focus on that.”
1987: SB states, "Linda Mott has Paul; she or a family member is hiding him." When asked why Linda would do that Baker replied, "out of spite, because she hates my guts."
Statistically speaking this should not have ever happened, that we found this child alive, especially after so many days. Time was against us” Sheriff Haddock said. “And my response is, ’We saved the child, Ms. Baker.”
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