FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

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Just figured it out , the little girl who was murdered by pastors daughter this past summer. Same last name.
 
NSC said:
What is the deal with a yellow car? I found a yellow car possible connection to neighbor kid. Friend of brother.
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Elsewhere, on this thread (#34), reference was made to a cab. Was it a yellow cab?
 
cathdawg said:
I also feel that I have seen the name someone's MS or FB?
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I seem to remember it being the name of a woman who was a FRIEND of someone on MySpace or FB: SP, CPC, DT? Don't recall...my mind is picturing FB, however.
 
Chicken Pants -- Yes, Somer was a beautiful,vibrant little girl, and certainly seemed to have a generous spirit ; she could, IMO have said " Good job ". However, that's not what I meant. I simply find the worker's account of that event ( Somer entering the yard ),and conversation to be unbvelievable. On that subject, does anyone know how many workers were there at that time of day ?
When I first read about this crime,I immediately thought that it was probably other kids. But, I thought that there would be clues showing up in the killer(s) behaviour as the days went by. Not a thing,as far as I can tell.
The unregistered SO theory I couldn't totally buy,for one reason : he,or she, just would not have had much alone time with Somer.
Someone killing her out of rage seems possible,but somewhat unlikely. What on earth could have produced such anger ?
One last theory, and I doubt anyone will agree : what if this was a terrible accident, a hit and run. She was running a lot on her way home that day. I can see her darting past a driveway, not seeing a car, and the driver not seeing her. It seems totally callous,though, for a driver to take her and throw her into a dumpster. Unless he or she was drunk or high.
 
human said:
Makes you think, doesn' t it?!
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Yes, definitely....but the whole REID page is so interesting. There are lots of more investigative subjects that are very easy to read, if anyone is interested in a detective's perspective of interviews and investigations. Since we have so few leads, I try to get a handle on how Dets may be handling the people they are possibly looking at.
 
liz b. said:
Chicken Pants -- Yes, Somer was a beautiful,vibrant little girl, and certainly seemed to have a generous spirit ; she could, IMO have said " Good job ". However, that's not what I meant. I simply find the worker's account of that event ( Somer entering the yard ),and conversation to be unbvelievable. On that subject, does anyone know how many workers were there at that time of day ?
When I first read about this crime,I immediately thought that it was probably other kids. But, I thought that there would be clues showing up in the killer(s) behaviour as the days went by. Not a thing,as far as I can tell.
The unregistered SO theory I couldn't totally buy,for one reason : he,or she, just would not have had much alone time with Somer.
Someone killing her out of rage seems possible,but somewhat unlikely. What on earth could have produced such anger ?
One last theory, and I doubt anyone will agree : what if this was a terrible accident, a hit and run. She was running a lot on her way home that day. I can see her darting past a driveway, not seeing a car, and the driver not seeing her. It seems totally callous,though, for a driver to take her and throw her into a dumpster. Unless he or she was drunk or high.
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I see what you mean (first paragraph). I haven't heard about any other workers there that day. Somebody probably can give insight on that, though. A house in that stage of reconstruction, how many workers would be needed at that time of day...? I don't find her entering the yard/talking unbelievable, just based on her known behaviors of being friendly/talkative/hugging, etc. I don't find the idea of any child around the house unbelievable because children are inquisitive and looking for adventures.

An unregistered SO would be hiding his status from the neighborhood, right? All SO's are supposed to be registered. You are in agreement with me that it would be a time issue. Unless he had been stalking her for a long time, grabbed her and did it quickly. But don't sex offenders usually kind of - take their time? I don't know how else to put it without getting graphic.

As for the anger motive, we don't really know what went on in her life outside of her getting into tiffs and running off. We do know that some people were frustrated with her running off and causing general anxiety...the other possiblity could be that she was a witness to some behavior of someone that she had threated to tell about. People have offered that she was loveable and friendly, and others have offered that she could be a handful. Who knows?

Your idea of hit and run isn't out of the realm of possibility. But at this time of the day, one would think perhaps it would have been witnessed. Thanks so much for your reply. ChickP
 
ChickenPants said:
Yes, definitely....but the whole REID page is so interesting. There are lots of more investigative subjects that are very easy to read, if anyone is interested in a detective's perspective of interviews and investigations. Since we have so few leads, I try to get a handle on how Dets may be handling the people they are possibly looking at.
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Chickenpants I have been reading everything thing you post. They are great articles.
 
liz b. said:
Chicken Pants -- Yes, Somer was a beautiful,vibrant little girl, and certainly seemed to have a generous spirit ; she could, IMO have said " Good job ". However, that's not what I meant. I simply find the worker's account of that event ( Somer entering the yard ),and conversation to be unbvelievable. On that subject, does anyone know how many workers were there at that time of day ?
When I first read about this crime,I immediately thought that it was probably other kids. But, I thought that there would be clues showing up in the killer(s) behaviour as the days went by. Not a thing,as far as I can tell.
The unregistered SO theory I couldn't totally buy,for one reason : he,or she, just would not have had much alone time with Somer.
Someone killing her out of rage seems possible,but somewhat unlikely. What on earth could have produced such anger ?
One last theory, and I doubt anyone will agree : what if this was a terrible accident, a hit and run. She was running a lot on her way home that day. I can see her darting past a driveway, not seeing a car, and the driver not seeing her. It seems totally callous,though, for a driver to take her and throw her into a dumpster. Unless he or she was drunk or high.
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I sincerely doubt she was hit by a car. Whenever there is a hit and run driver here where I live, LE IMMEDIATELY gives all info on color of car (because of paint evidence on the body or in the road) , look for dents, etc. The reason that it is hit and run is because the driver is drunk or high.They have the public loioking looking looking and the public almost always does report the car.

It is NEVER treated like a mysterious murder where I live, and I sincerely doubt it would be treated that way in OP.

They had FBI, etc etc etc. IT is not a car accident-no way, no how.
 
If Somer went to someone's house, no one would notice anything happening to her. She's visiting her good friend, mr or ms or mrs molestor and something goes wrong.
Nobody would hear or see a thing.

I am still interested in the fact that LE KNEW that it was a murder even before an autopsy. It has to be something significant, or they could have guessed car accident or hiding in the dumpster, as well. But they KNEW murder right away.

In going with teens, maybe they drew symbols on her?

Or it could have been something around her neck or stabbing or ??

As far as SO's, there are different kinds. Some groom for months or years. Some grab strangers.
 
human said:
If Somer went to someone's house, no one would notice anything happening to her. She's visiting her good friend, mr or ms or mrs molestor and something goes wrong.
Nobody would hear or see a thing.

I am still interested in the fact that LE KNEW that it was a murder even before an autopsy. It has to be something significant, or they could have guessed car accident or hiding in the dumpster, as well. But they KNEW murder right away.

In going with teens, maybe they drew symbols on her?

Or it could have been something around her neck or stabbing or ??

As far as SO's, there are different kinds. Some groom for months or years. Some grab strangers.
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Human I was thinking something tied around the neck, gunshot, slit throat. My strongest hunch is something tied around the neck because any of those other things would be hard to make sure it was not damage caused by the compactor, or maybe a bag tied over her head?
 
Hi Human,

Interesting points. I need to make it clear,though, that I don't think it was a tires screeching, unknown car flleeing, neighbors right there kind of accident. I mean a quiet side street, pulling out of the driveway, causing huge trauma, kind of accident.Possible that no one saw it happen. After all,no one seems to have seen much of anything,right ? Yes,you're right, LE does consider it a murder. But, we don't really know any more than that.
Good point about the SO angle . What I'm not sure about : if it was a SO who had been watching her, planning how he/she would grab her, do you think it's likely that the SO would have killed her so quickly ? But, the idea of a SO just coming across her that afternoon is possible.
Just a thought,but when my children were around Somer's age, they would always want a snack right away after school. I wonder if she did too. Human, I want to thank you and the other posters here for reading my posts. I wandered into this forum when I was sick with the flu. Something about the randomness of this case drew me in. I am in awe of the smarts you all have.
 
Hi Human,

Interesting points. I need to make it clear,though, that I don't think it was a tires screeching, unknown car flleeing, neighbors right there kind of accident. I mean a quiet side street, pulling out of the driveway, causing huge trauma, kind of accident.Possible that no one saw it happen. After all,no one seems to have seen much of anything,right ? Yes,you're right, LE does consider it a murder. But, we don't really know any more than that.
Good point about the SO angle . What I'm not sure about : if it was a SO who had been watching her, planning how he/she would grab her, do you think it's likely that the SO would have killed her so quickly ? But, the idea of a SO just coming across her that afternoon is possible.
Just a thought,but when my children were around Somer's age, they would always want a snack right away after school. I wonder if she did too. Human, I want to thank you and the other posters here for reading my posts. I wandered into this forum when I was sick with the flu. Something about the randomness of this case drew me in. I am in awe of the smarts you all have.
 
ChickenPants said:
I see what you mean (first paragraph). I haven't heard about any other workers there that day. Somebody probably can give insight on that, though. A house in that stage of reconstruction, how many workers would be needed at that time of day...? I don't find her entering the yard/talking unbelievable, just based on her known behaviors of being friendly/talkative/hugging, etc. I don't find the idea of any child around the house unbelievable because children are inquisitive and looking for adventures.

An unregistered SO would be hiding his status from the neighborhood, right? All SO's are supposed to be registered. You are in agreement with me that it would be a time issue. Unless he had been stalking her for a long time, grabbed her and did it quickly. But don't sex offenders usually kind of - take their time? I don't know how else to put it without getting graphic.

As for the anger motive, we don't really know what went on in her life outside of her getting into tiffs and running off. We do know that some people were frustrated with her running off and causing general anxiety...the other possiblity could be that she was a witness to some behavior of someone that she had threated to tell about. People have offered that she was loveable and friendly, and others have offered that she could be a handful. Who knows?

Your idea of hit and run isn't out of the realm of possibility. But at this time of the day, one would think perhaps it would have been witnessed. Thanks so much for your reply. ChickP
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BBM

One would think that SOMEONE witnessed whatever happened to her, too, or where she went after she left the Gano house. SOMEBODY did. We just don't know who it was. I am hoping that LE has had other witnesses come forward that we don't know about. IMO Cranberry is a pretty outstandish (is that a word?) color - easy to spot and keep an eye on for quite a distance, not likely to blend in and not be noticed, KWIM?
 
human said:
If Somer went to someone's house, no one would notice anything happening to her. She's visiting her good friend, mr or ms or mrs molestor and something goes wrong.
Nobody would hear or see a thing.

I am still interested in the fact that LE KNEW that it was a murder even before an autopsy. It has to be something significant, or they could have guessed car accident or hiding in the dumpster, as well. But they KNEW murder right away.

In going with teens, maybe they drew symbols on her?

Or it could have been something around her neck or stabbing or ?

As far as SO's, there are different kinds. Some groom for months or years. Some grab strangers.
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If she went to someone's house, well then what neighbors did she regularly visit? Were adults there during those visits? Were there little kids her age she played with while adults were still at work - maybe an older sibling, Uncle, etc., babysitting? WHO IS ON THAT CALL-DOWN LIST that the 17 year old had?


Maybe they KNEW it was a murder even before it was still a "missing child" case - before she was found, because someone may have said something to tip them off. An example would be someone talking about the victim in the past tense before it was established the victim was dead. What about that neighbor asking them if they'd checked the garbage....lots of verbal clues being tossed around, IMO.

They could probably ascertain trauma to the body even without autopsy. Bruises on legs, ligature marks on neck or wrists if she was bound.

The colors of the bruises would indicate if they had been inflicted before or after she had been in a compactor, because they are caused by blood rising to the surface of the skin and then it would fade away.
 
New1 said:
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BBM

One would think that SOMEONE witnessed whatever happened to her, too, or where she went after she left the Gano house. SOMEBODY did. We just don't know who it was. I am hoping that LE has had other witnesses come forward that we don't know about. IMO Cranberry is a pretty outstandish (is that a word?) color - easy to spot and keep an eye on for quite a distance, not likely to blend in and not be noticed, KWIM?
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The reason I'm convinced nobody noticed is that she went quietly and willingly to the perp and it raised no suspicions. By then she was far enough away from the school that the regular playmates, friends and parents would not have been the ones who were around. She would have been just another little girl taking the hand of another adult. Add to the fact that the photo plastered all over of the MISSING CHILD was of a missing 4 year old child who bore little resemblance to Somer. AND THIS PHOTO IS STILL THE ONE BEING ADDED ONTO NEWS REPORTS!!! It's totally unacceptable, IMO. It just reinforces that image to anyone who MIGHT have seen her and is thinking, no, that little girl does not look like the one in the picture!!!!!
 
Human, when I spoke of the SO taking his time, I wasn't referring to his stalking her. I was talking about taking his time in the sexual act. Some SO's, for example, take photos of their victims, pose them, dress them up, etc., etc., sick things like that. The sick psychology of the SO. A lot of them think they 'LOVE' children and are "playing" and it isn't what we'd think of as a sexual act, per se. The sex is only one part of it, the finisher. Sorry if I am too graphic.
 
Gano house: The contractors who remodeled the house would surely have a list of all of the persons working on the house, their hours, their tasks, what days they worked. Because all of them would have to account for that to get paid. Maybe they were hired through an agency like Manpower who hires short-term workers for one-time jobs. I assume some of these people also do background checks. They keep records, too. Somebody is responsible.
 
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