FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

[New1]

I'm just gonna ramble here...

Every time somebody tries to prove that Somer wasn't found at the landfill... something in the back of my mind tells me she wasn't found at all.

The landfill story seems hinky... the family wasn't allowed to view the body... DT has not received the lock of hair (unless I missed that)... COD has not been released. It's like the whole story was made up to try to flush out the perp.

I don't really believe any of that... but thought I'd throw it out there.

I had not thought of that, but you might have a point there. IIRC DT still had not gotten the lock of hair after the funeral. Was the funeral home holding it to give to DT later. Makes you wonder why they didn't give her the lock of hair right away and why did they take so long to do it? I don't think I have seen any videos or read anywhere that she was given the lock of hair. But, how would this have flushed out the perp? I don't get that part.

 

[New1]

It sounds to me that they found her as the garbage truck was dumped-not in the mountains of garbage that HAD been dumped into the landfill.

They dump the truck, and there she is. That is different to me than digging through mountains of garbage at the landfill.

However, there are posters that believe that she was not even in the garbage truck-that she was found well before and was never in a garbage truck at all.

I can't see that she was mixed into the semi, however. I don't see why she wouldn't have been spotted at the transfer station. If they can identify the truck and the driver, I don't see how that would be possible if she was in the garbage that had come from the transfer station.

I don't know. It was totally clear to me when I read the statement. But it is not clear to me, if she came from the semi. I find that impossible to believe.

So you think the Sheriff's statement that she "had been IN a landfill for a couple of days" was not true?

 

[human]

He states that she was in the landfill a couple of days? How could that even be possible if the garbage was picked up on Tuesday or was it Wednesday?

And how did they see her when dumped from the truck? They don't dig the landfill and move it around.

Did the sheriff say that?

 

[New1]

He states that she was in the landfill a couple of days? How could that even be possible if the garbage was picked up on Tuesday or was it Wednesday?

And how did they see her when dumped from the truck? They don't dig the landfill and move it around.

Did the sheriff say that?

Yes, he said that. I think his exact words were, "You have to remember, she had been in a landfill for a couple of days." I think it was on a video I saw, but it could have been he was "quoted" in a news report. I know I did not imagine it because when he said it I was wondering how he knew she was killed the same day she disappeared and thrown in the landfill. But if she was found in the landfill on Wednesday and disappeared on Monday, that is a couple of days, so it would mean that she was in the landfill on Monday! I am 100% sure he said this but I don't know how to find the video. They were talking about DT not being able to view the body. Maybe someone can find that video.

 

[human]

How could she be in the landfill on Monday unless someone put here there?

Seriously, it is impossible to get into a landfill unless you are authorized. No one can sneak into there. I shouldn't say no one because people can do anything, but it seems really difficult.

My hubby said that where we live, trucks line up and take a number. This was before the landfill closed here a few years ago. I imagine it's the same everywhere as they have to make sure the loads are pretty even and dumped so they can cover them with whatever soil they have to cap it off everyday.

It is totally different than going to a garbage place where you can bring your tires, frig's etc, here. The average public cannot go to the landfill there, can they?

AT our former landfill, where you CANNOT bring household garbage, they weigh your load, and look through the stuff to see where you should place it. Furniture here, tires there, etc.

 

[New1]

How could she be in the landfill on Monday unless someone put here there?

Seriously, it is impossible to get into a landfill unless you are authorized. No one can sneak into there. I shouldn't say no one because people can do anything, but it seems really difficult.

My hubby said that where we live, trucks line up and take a number. This was before the landfill closed here a few years ago. I imagine it's the same everywhere as they have to make sure the loads are pretty even and dumped so they can cover them with whatever soil they have to cap it off everyday.

It is totally different than going to a garbage place where you can bring your tires, frig's etc, here. The average public cannot go to the landfill there, can they?

AT our former landfill, where you CANNOT bring household garbage, they weigh your load, and look through the stuff to see where you should place it. Furniture here, tires there, etc.

Human, I am not saying that Somer's body was put in the landfill on Monday. What I AM saying is that the Sheriff DID indeed make the statement that the body had been in a landfill for a couple of days. I am trying to find that video.

 

[ChickenPants]

He states that she was in the landfill a couple of days? How could that even be possible if the garbage was picked up on Tuesday or was it Wednesday?

And how did they see her when dumped from the truck? They don't dig the landfill and move it around.

Did the sheriff say that?

IF EVERYBODY will just go back to the link I posted and make your own conclusions; it is the interview with the sheriff. He indicates she came out of a designated garbage truck - prob as it was being dumped into the landfill.

 

[ChickenPants]

If they targeted the truck she was in, and followed it, and it dumped it's contents and there she was, then the ME would be called and they would look at her for clues for murder. Identifying birthmark, clothing, knee. Then the autopsy. What is so hard about this?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

IF EVERYBODY will just go back to the link I posted and make your own conclusions; it is the interview with the sheriff. He indicates she came out of a designated garbage truck - prob as it was being dumped into the landfill.

I think he was refering to tuesday and wednesday.

 

[ChickenPants]

It does. There is no longer the story on N4J that used those very words. Sheriff REQUESTS the family not to view the body. In other news stories it was "suggested", as though it were optional. I thought perhaps the wording changed because when that first story came out, I remember a discussion about a public viewing would be held but that "she" could not. It seemed very damning at the time. It seemed a bit of too much tipping of their hand very early. In the end, no family members, nor the public were permitted viewing. I wonder if the funeral director would concur that with all the advancements in body preparation, that the only logical conclusion to be drawn from statements and actions is LE did not want certain family members to be revealed the COD. This is reinforced by the fact to this day, she has not had any info "revealed" to her.

If it were just a matter of disfigurement in some way, would this not be something handled by the funeral director. The minute LE steps in to intervene in some way, I find that very telling myself. You could ask what your friend's take on it is.

These stories of course may be out there somewhere. Just as the Casey Black videos and the reporter's interview with Casey Black, or the story with AC, but I can't find them in the listing on the news website at this time.

Yes, I am not even talking about news links....but a video I saw of DT coming out to greet the crowd at a vigil and the camera seemed to be behind her and she was saying "they're not going to let me see Somer, they're going to give me a lock of her hair..." and then the video focuses on the vigil, singing and praying and etc. It is quite a lengthy video and I WISH I HAD THE LINK but I do not. I had never seen any news reports regarding the sheriff/viewing at all.

Going on the above-mentoined video was why I asked the funeral director why LE would prohibit this, and he said he knew of no instances of LE ever prohibiting a family from viewing a murder victim. In fact, it was his personal opinion (ONLY) that LE should encourage families to view inasumch in his experience, some families had been suspect and LE could gauge by their reactions, etc. This is only what he told me. He had been there during the viewings, as an observer/funeral director capacity, only, just doing his job. He has seen some cases come to closure where some things hinged on what I just said, but he has had nothing to do specifically with investigations.

 

[ChickenPants]

I follow you Human but one thing, Where in Georgia was she found? Her remains had to have been found in Georgia as the remains became the "property" of the Georgia ME. Somer was in their jurisdiction.

If as the sheriff says they followed the garbage trucks to the landfill, and then he "ordered the detectives to sort through the garbage as it was collected and brought in," that sorting woujld have been done at the landfill, so she was technically "found" in Georgia and would be under the jurisdiction of the Georgia Medical Examiner.

 

[pinamia]

Thanks so much for this post. I had read/seen things about near death and I knew about that (a true story about a man who was stabbed 16 times and was too busy with the light to feel it) but didn't want to go into that here so I am so glad you did. It gave me great hope that God even helps those who are dying so they can handle it. I am so sorry for everything you have endured. You have such great insight and have much to offer because of your sufferings. Now you're a favored child, there was a reason for you to keep on....God Bless You.

Pin, I am wondering, did the strangulation leave any marks or bruises on you for a while?

Perhaps in forensics they will be able to determine also traces of urine due to that discharge on strangulation.

When I was six, I came home with marks on my neck, mostly from my own nails. The other two times no visible marks. Happened too quick and I think I turned and he lost his grip. He was a real nut. I still have nightmares about him. He also ran my brother over with his car into a wall. Luckily, my brother wasn't hurt badly. That saved us because he had legal proceedings against us. His brother was a court officer and used him to damage others.
The story is very long. He didn't want to kill us just ruin our lives and make us want to die.

Since Somer was so very young, a mark on the neck would be left. The younger the more sensitive the skin is.

 

[ChickenPants]

I think he was refering to tuesday and wednesday.

I don't know...
If you go to the link it will show when the interview took place in the early morning hours of some day, and that would be breaking news; otherwise why so early in the morning? I am not at the link right now. The significant news to me is sheriff saying the body was discovered as they were sorting through the garbage from the trucks, whenever that was ... i.e, before it was dumped in the landfill. And this could of course mean that it was "partially covered" by the garbage around it, from the truck...?

THE LINK IS PAGE 11, #260. Hope it helps.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think DT just mispoke in grief when she said "they're not going to let me see Somer, they're going to give me a lock of her hair...". Not only did she have to contemplate the death of her daughter she had to face the horror of the condition her body is in and the guilt from not looking at her one more time. I think it was strongly suggested to her not to view it and she was just sharing the guilt of not viewing it with those in charge.

 

[ChickenPants]

When I was six, I came home with marks on my neck, mostly from my own nails. The other two times no visible marks. Happened too quick and I think I turned and he lost his grip. He was a real nut. I still have nightmares about him. He also ran my brother over with his car into a wall. Luckily, my brother wasn't hurt badly. That saved us because he had legal proceedings against us. His brother was a court officer and used him to damage others.
The story is very long. He didn't want to kill us just ruin our lives and make us want to die.

Since Somer was so very young, a mark on the neck would be left. The younger the more sensitive the skin is.

Again, I am so sorry for what you went through. You are correct about a mark being left on a person so young, as the blood flow is quicker and the skin more resilient. The circulation is stronger. The blood will come to the surface through the young, healthy arteries.

 

[ChickenPants]

I think DT just mispoke in grief when she said "they're not going to let me see Somer, they're going to give me a lock of her hair...". Not only did she have to contemplate the death of her daughter she had to face the horror of the condition her body is in and the guilt from not looking at her one more time. I think it was strongly suggested to her not to view it and she was just sharing the guilt of not viewing it with those in charge.

That's entirely possible and even probable. What got my attention was that it was the very first thing - in fact the only thing, other than to say it had been a very, very hard day - she said to the crowd, almost like an update. I guess at that time the crowd was waiting to hear what was happening. She was clearly upset, even angry when she said it. I will try to find the video. She said it very quickly and then went out and joined the crowd. They were giving her solace about it. I remember thinking, "who is 'they'?"

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't know...
If you go to the link it will show when the interview took place in the early morning hours of some day, and that would be breaking news; otherwise why so early in the morning? I am not at the link right now. The significant news to me is sheriff saying the body was discovered as they were sorting through the garbage from the trucks, whenever that was ... i.e, before it was dumped in the landfill. And this could of course mean that it was "partially covered" by the garbage around it, from the truck...?

THE LINK IS PAGE 11, #260. Hope it helps.

Here is how I imagine the search happened at the dump in Georgia. The semis back in where they are going to dump. Their trailers have a large ram under neath and lift up the trailer. The garbage starts falling out the back, it is about an 8foot x 8 pile of garbage that starts coming out the back. Now the truck starts pulling forward till all the garbage is out of the semi and you have a pile of garbage 8 foot high and 8 foot wide and 35 feet long. All that garbage would be leaning back towards the first stuff that came out. So then they would probably start at the end of the pile that was the last to come out and start flipping garbage back with shovels and rakes and going through it as they did, opening any bags too.

 

[ChickenPants]

News article quoting DT about not being able to see body:

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/article_b46f20a6-c0ab-11de-80ee-001cc4c002e0.html

 

[ChickenPants]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/24/who_killed_somer_deputies_tracing_trail_of_trash.html

Another news article, see three paragraphs under 'share your comments'.

 

[pinamia]

Again, I am so sorry for what you went through. You are correct about a mark being left on a person so young, as the blood flow is quicker and the skin more resilient. The circulation is stronger. The blood will come to the surface through the young, healthy arteries.

That's okay. It builds character. What doesn't kill us makes us STRONGER. Too bad Somer wasn't allowed that luxury.

I think she was strangulated or smothered. Poor little Somer. I hope they find her killer and just destroy him.