Follow the Money....

[creepingskills]

Perhaps it was part of MS plan... getting financially ready for his wife's demise? Enough cash to have on hand to get him through until the LI checks stated rolling in? I'm sure LE knows exactly when that money was withdrawn.

Anything is possible because MS is a dumb dumb, but presumably he was withdrawing cash from an account he was on, or at least a joint account holder. IOW, regardless of TS's demise, he had control over that cash. Why not leave it in the bank? Unlike the life insurance pay out delay, highly unlikely his bank accounts would be seized or otherwise out of reach while LE investigates. I could see if TS controlled the purse strings and only gave MS a cash allowance, then he might start hoarding cash in anticipation of divorce. But here, the cash hoarding doesn't appear to be hidden from TS.

I have a feeling it is a symptom of something else going on, something that wasn't immediately related to the murder. Again, maybe MS likes money wraps. Otherwise, cash was going into an account and then withdrawn for not safe keeping at home. I really do wonder what was the origin of that cash flow? Anything to do with Universal Communications? I'm thinking MS thought if he could withdraw the cash, the IRS would not notice its existence...

 

[Dmacky]

ITA. And also, the amount for each withdrawal. Maybe this kind of activity caught the attention of the IRS and/or fraud specialists within the bank.

Very curious though. One would think having cash in the bank is not only safer but better if you are, for ex., looking to rent/buy another office space or any other high ticket item that will likely require account balance verification. What would MS say, come on over and look at my $40k in cash?

BBM ~ good one cs :giggle: I filled in the addresses for him

Temporary Address: (moving)
27034 Jarvis Road, Bonita Springs

SOON to be my forever home at:
2115 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Fort Myers

 

[Scout]

Considering the haphazard storing of the cash in various locations around the house and the completely disorganized state of all areas that appeared to be Mark's domain, I'm doubtful that he had any idea how much money he had there. The claim of $40,000 may have been a total guess. Or it may have been the amount he inherited from his dad and thus what came to mind when asked to estimate how much was there.

 

[al66pine]

Considering the haphazard storing of the cash in various locations around the house and the completely disorganized state of all areas that appeared to be Mark's domain, I'm doubtful that he had any idea how much money he had there. The claim of $40,000 may have been a total guess. Or it may have been the amount he inherited from his dad and thus what came to mind when asked to estimate how much was there.

Anyone know when MS rcvd $ from his Father? How much? Probate estate? etc. Thx in adv..

 

[CeCeMoore]

It will be interesting to see when he withdraw the cash from the bank or when he started withdrawing the funds.

-Nin

To me it looks like this money has been accumulated over a long period of time. Some of those cash envelopes look really old. The contents of the safe make me wonder if he is a survivalist type and that is the explanation for the cash on hand.

 

[human]

Anyone know when MS rcvd $ from his Father? How much? Probate estate? etc. Thx in adv..

Would he inherit from the father since the mother is alive? Were they divorced?

 

[No it's not]

Anything is possible because MS is a dumb dumb, but presumably he was withdrawing cash from an account he was on, or at least a joint account holder. IOW, regardless of TS's demise, he had control over that cash. Why not leave it in the bank? Unlike the life insurance pay out delay, highly unlikely his bank accounts would be seized or otherwise out of reach while LE investigates. I could see if TS controlled the purse strings and only gave MS a cash allowance, then he might start hoarding cash in anticipation of divorce. But here, the cash hoarding doesn't appear to be hidden from TS.

I have a feeling it is a symptom of something else going on, something that wasn't immediately related to the murder. Again, maybe MS likes money wraps. Otherwise, cash was going into an account and then withdrawn for not safe keeping at home. I really do wonder what was the origin of that cash flow? Anything to do with Universal Communications? I'm thinking MS thought if he could withdraw the cash, the IRS would not notice its existence...

'But here, the cash hoarding doesn't appear to be hidden from TS.'

Unless the cash was placed in the safes just shortly prior to the trip..I see it the same way, cs. Why else hording in plain view?And you are absolutely right, it looks like cash flow, different amounts, different bills.Looks like patient payments up to the dollar (and cents in some instances). Perhaps a way of intuitive book keeping..? Oh wait, where is the book..;--)

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

Anyone know when MS rcvd $ from his Father? How much? Probate estate? etc. Thx in adv..

His father passed away in 1992.

-Nin

 

[Maxine2U]

Maybe MS was like Scrooge McDuck and liked to sit around counting his gold coins. (But not really because Scrooge actually earned his $$$). He was such a slob he probably didn't know half that stuff was there.

But I think it's more a personality thing with him. Like hoarding/survivalist type stuff.

 

[atthelake]

Anyone know when MS rcvd $ from his Father? How much? Probate estate? etc. Thx in adv..

Are we allowed to sleuth his fathers/innocents estate etc ? Is it ok since it's associated with Mark?

ETA ..There are a couple other things that I wanted to mention, that were associated with Mark... but it was associated with innocents that didn't have anything to do with murder so I did not thinking against TOS .

:thinking: How far can we sleuth if it is public document ? Either associated with marks family..CWW family, JRR family ??? Is that off limits unless it is associated with their parents / siblings if we find in public records and then it is all fair game (or Teresa's) family....yet not associated with murder ?

 

[KateB]

Are we allowed to sleuth his fathers/innocents estate etc ? Is it ok since it's associated with Mark?

No, his family is off-limits for sleuthing.

 

[irishchook]

'But here, the cash hoarding doesn't appear to be hidden from TS.'

Unless the cash was placed in the safes just shortly prior to the trip..I see it the same way, cs. Why else hording in plain view?And you are absolutely right, it looks like cash flow, different amounts, different bills.Looks like patient payments up to the dollar (and cents in some instances). Perhaps a way of intuitive book keeping..? Oh wait, where is the book..;--)

-Nin

I envision this greedy-little meister chillin out in his office or car smoking the doob pipe and thinking how much he is entitled to.

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[creepingskills]

Considering the haphazard storing of the cash in various locations around the house and the completely disorganized state of all areas that appeared to be Mark's domain, I'm doubtful that he had any idea how much money he had there. The claim of $40,000 may have been a total guess. Or it may have been the amount he inherited from his dad and thus what came to mind when asked to estimate how much was there.

Interesting coincidence, the $40k and the $36k(?) tax lien.

TS was self-employed and an employer, I'd be so surprised if she didn't use an accountant, or thought she was using an accountant.

 

[IQuestion]

Interesting coincidence, the $40k and the $36k(?) tax lien.

TS was self-employed and an employer, I'd be so surprised if she didn't use an accountant, or thought she was using an accountant.

CSK I wouldn't want to be that accountant! I'm sure there was one, at some time....Did she have one on her "business referral list?" (Or did they ask to be removed, too?) I looked for one. Instead saw (in addition to other medical professionals) referrals to "jewelers, organic dry cleaners, personal stylist, event planner, decorator, copy express, a wealth advisor...etc."
http://www.drteresasievers.com/resources.php#.Vpx3lVI8F-w
I'm kind of old fashioned about business... is this a "networking trend" or what?

 

[Helper9693]

CSK I wouldn't want to be that accountant! I'm sure there was one, at some time....Did she have one on her "business referral list?" (Or did they ask to be removed, too?) I looked for one. Instead saw (in addition to other medical professionals) referrals to "jewelers, organic dry cleaners, personal stylist, event planner, decorator, copy express, a wealth advisor...etc."
http://www.drteresasievers.com/resources.php#.Vpx3lVI8F-w
I'm kind of old fashioned about business... is this a "networking trend" or what?

Not sure about the trend...I remember reading somewhere (don't ask can't remember...lol) that the professional business photos (maybe hair and make-up too) were done pro-bono for her...I'm guessing that person was mentioned somewhere on "the list"... as my father used to say one hand washes the other.

 

[MsArk]

It is pretty obvious, to me anyway, TS did not or could not busy herself with the business end of the practice, as evidenced by the website. It really is not very professionally done. AR described TS as a Type A person, preferring everything to be neat and tidy. This is a perfect example (I think) about what kind of control MS had on her. I don't think for a second, based on what I've read about TS and her proclivity for order, this website would have passed her 'litmus test'. On the other hand, I don't know why the website surprises me- just take a look at MS's van and home office. She really had very little influence on him and was probably sick of it. JMO.

 

[KateB]

It will be interesting to see when he withdraw the cash from the bank or when he started withdrawing the funds.

-Nin

IMO, none of this cash ever saw the bank to start with. Bank envelopes are handed out by the handful to those that ask. Look at this one with a ledger & dates. Dates might coincide with true cash cash paying patients at RHHC.

 

[KateB]

Considering the haphazard storing of the cash in various locations around the house and the completely disorganized state of all areas that appeared to be Mark's domain, I'm doubtful that he had any idea how much money he had there. The claim of $40,000 may have been a total guess. Or it may have been the amount he inherited from his dad and thus what came to mind when asked to estimate how much was there.

I lost count of the number of safes. I saw one is on top of another and looked like it is in the laundry room, but I need help figuring it all out. There is also one not in the Safes photo folder. That one is in the Master Bedroom folder.

Safes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B717FUtKwdU8NWl1Y2NBemZGT00

MBR: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B717FUtKwdU8S2dVSXF4UHpjYWc

Master Bedroom safe

 

[passionflower]

maybe the money and coins laying around was part of the staging? Who in their right mind leaves all that just laying around. MS left out dope, needles etc also...............is this left to say 'I'm innocent, I would of gotten rid of it knowing cops were coming to my house for my wife's murder?'

 

[atthelake]

IMO, none of this cash ever saw the bank to start with. Bank envelopes are handed out by the handful to those that ask. Look at this one with a ledger & dates. Dates might coincide with true cash cash paying patients at RHHC.

Bates 2994-2999 in document dump #1 are for subpoenas for Bank of America account for Teresa. She may have had up to 6 accounts at that bank because the other bank accounts are only one page each?

I haven't come across subpoenas for mark accounts in the first Dump yet as I'm working on the indexing for the first doc dump right now and I'm halfway through.
Kate / mods which thread should I post it in when I finish it, and as you did with the second doc dump indexing I did .. you can copy it elsewhere?