For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[dexter75]

New article out.... not that they are known for their journalism lol but they did post pictures of a letter that they say was sent to them by SA.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089
pictures of the full article (courtesy of a poster on reddit, the pictures are reversed, first pic is page 2)
https://imgur.com/a/Peojn#jlRJdi2

The majority of the letter attacks Buting/Strang and what they did wrong, but there are a few tidbits in there that I thought were interesting:

Lack of experts for blood spatter, EDTA, bones

Didn't re-enact the "shaking of the bookcase" as reported by Colborn.

They didn't follow up on the dog tracks.

They missed that there were 6 barrels.

They didn't investigate Randant's alibi.

They ignored the evidence in the quarry.

They didn't do anything when the investigators threatened some family to say what they want or they would be put in jail (or take things from them)



Here are my thoughts, without going back into documents to search specific things. The barrels.... there was always something wrong with those dang barrels. One went to the lab and back to the property and then back to the lab. I have read posts by others on reddit who went to great lengths and details to try to figure out the barrels, I have not found one yet that made any sense of them!!!!

The bookcase.... lets be honest, Colborn lied, even if the key was not planted, he lied about shaking it. It just does not make sense, period. There is no way, no how that he shook it the way he said and the paper/coins/remote remained in the same spots they were in before he shook the key lose. (isn't this one of the things the jurors asked for to? the pictures of the bookcase?) This was my push to leaning to the innocent/framed side of the fence, if they planted the key, why? and what would stop them from planting everything else?

The dog tracking, Randant and the quarry all kinda go together for me. One of the dogs tracked from SA's property through the quarry to a cul-de-sac, which was near the deer camp, owned by Randant. Randant was on the scene day 1, he is the first person to mention a fire, he admits to being at the deer camp that day, and now I am not even sure his "alibi" was looked into, or did he even have one? His statement said something about at shift change he drove to the deer camp and noticed the fire, did they check with those employees? The quarry where the "not determined to be human" were found in the quarry. I know this is a rabbit hole, but them bones!!!!!! The first forensic anthropologist that examined the bones (sorry, can't remember the name, but he was retired and they went to him because Eisenberg was away), it's stated in docs that it was an iliac/ilium bone and the only record I see of a bone referenced to as an iliac crest bone was found in the quarry!!!! Maybe I missed something, but this has always bothered me!

Anyway.... I think the fact that he is mentioning Randant in a letter a month before something is due to be filed is interesting! I don't know if he has been on "my list", but I did find it odd that he was the first to mention the fire and no one in the family or otherwise mentions it. Note: I still don't think there was a fire that night and the family was either convinced by LE that there was after being told repeatedly that there must have been or maybe they were told to say it.... like the letter implies? I have always thought it was more of a 'false memory' thing, but will be interesting to see what the family has to say now. I know that Barb has mentioned on facebook that ST and Bobby were told what to say (not in those words, but I don't feel like researching... I know, I'm slipping lol)

oh and..... Buting being the classy guy he is responded on twitter tonight....

Jerome Buting ‏@JButing 6h6 hours ago
Please don't blame S Avery for his misdirected frustration. In his spot we'd all be unhappy. Dean & I still support his cause for justice.


Ineffective counsel is always a part of an appeal, and I'm sure there are things that they wish they had done differently, I remember reading the testimony and thinking 'omg, why didn't they ask this.... or that..." Regardless, great response from Buting IMO

Sorry for the long post. It's been awhile and when I read this earlier, I thought I would bring over here to share

Take a bow my friend, EXCELLENT post:takeabow::yourock::goodpost:

 

[BigCityAccountant]

for anyone interested in the "nail puller" picture, here you go...

or

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/exhibit-book-case-6.jpg

bottom left, just up a bit from the corner of the picture, there is something black. It looks like a nail puller. Might be a bit small, but I'm sure they come in all sizes.

Hi Everyone!!!!

Hope you all are enjoying your summer!!!

Missy~~IMHO~~that looks like broken cable clip. to me, like this.

https://www.amazon.com/CableWholesa...TF8&qid=1470918424&sr=8-3&keywords=cable+clip

 

[missy1974]

Hi Everyone!!!!

Hope you all are enjoying your summer!!!

Missy~~IMHO~~that looks like broken cable clip. to me, like this.

https://www.amazon.com/CableWholesa...TF8&qid=1470918424&sr=8-3&keywords=cable+clip

Yeah, I can see it as a nail puller, but it seems small. I guess they do come in all different sizes and just the one's I have seen are bigger. I should show hubby the pic and see what he says LOL might have to do that later.

The biggest thing with this picture is..... whatever it is.... it is NOT in any other pictures. There is nothing laying by the wall, not a clip, not a nail puller, not anything that resembles it. If you zoom into the picture too.... you can actually see a nail laying on the carpet and small pieces of wood, I might have to go grab the picture from reddit where someone outlined them or circled them lol I see them now because I know where they are, but I had never looked at this picture that closely to see anything that has been pointed out.

Nice to see you post BCA Hope you are having a great summer!

 

[Wysteria]

I have one more to add that is the strongest thing to lead me to believe that ALL the evidence was planted. I also do not believe that anyone other than LE planted anything. That does not mean I think LE killed her (though, that is not completely off the table for me), but that something happened to her and LE discovered her at a time they REALLY needed to take SA down.

12) SA would not have committed a murder when everything in his life was looking up to the degree it was. He was in the middle of a $36 million civil suit. He probably wouldn't have gotten that much, but he would have gotten a pretty penny still. He was being paraded around by influential people, such as gov's and such, they were naming a bill after him. He had dinners planned for him (such as the Innocence Project dinner he was scheduled to go to, the one that LE mocked he wouldn't be going to while they were searching his house).

There is waaaaaaay too much wrong with these cases on a whole, for it to be coincidence. You do not deviate from so many protocol's as they did without it all being a stinky pile of fish. Their mistake was that they felt safe enough to do all this without being able to look into the future and see just how thoroughly everything about these cases would be dissected and examined by so many capable people. Their complete arrogance is what set them up for this fall they are now feeling and I believe Zellner will be bringing this whole house of cards down in the near future. IMHO. I, for one, cannot wait to see how this all plays out, as my husband thinks I am a complete nutjob right now, because this is ALL I talk about. I am looking forward to the day I can go back to being just my normal self and start focusing more on my everyday life. He is looking forward to that day too, LOL.

RBBM

After the recent news broke regarding BD; I went back and watched the entire series again.

I know it's a very small thing; (the bbm portion of your post); considering all of the other questionable actions regarding this case.
For some inexplicable reason; I feel anxiety, tension and anger when I listen to that portion of the tape during the search.
The glee and disdain I hear bothers me to no end. I literally grit my teeth when I hear the laughter and mocking.
In comparison to the other highly questionable actions concerning LE, it sounds silly (even to me) that I feel such angst.

I don't feel that LE had a part in the murder, but I am extraordinarily suspicious of the "evidence" that LE collected.

I'll refrain from mentioning all of the other's (corrupt other's), that I feel had a part in SA's conviction; as doing so would require my writing multiple books on the subject.

I am usually a staunch supporter of LE and I tend to disagree with most conspiracy theories; however in this case something is very, very wrong to say the least.

 

[dexter75]

RBBM

After the recent news broke regarding BD; I went back and watched the entire series again.

I know it's a very small thing; (the bbm portion of your post); considering all of the other questionable actions regarding this case.
For some inexplicable reason; I feel anxiety, tension and anger when I listen to that portion of the tape during the search.
The glee and disdain I hear bothers me to no end. I literally grit my teeth when I hear the laughter and mocking.
In comparison to the other highly questionable actions concerning LE, it sounds silly (even to me) that I feel such angst.

I don't feel that LE had a part in the murder, but I am extraordinarily suspicious of the "evidence" that LE collected.

I'll refrain from mentioning all of the other's (corrupt other's), that I feel had a part in SA's conviction; as doing so would require my writing multiple books on the subject.

I am usually a staunch supporter of LE and I tend to disagree with most conspiracy theories; however in this case something is very, very wrong to say the least.

Me...to a T.

I have always had the utmost respect for LE.
However, this case, as well as our own department here in Lenawee County ( you tube video of local sheriff under investigation is the latest ) have me hanging my head in shame, wondering what went wrong at times..

 

[SoBeCzar]

Has anyone seen the videos on youtube a guy has made showing what he he feels is photo shopping of the Rav 4 photos? If true it would mean the Rav 4 on the Avery property was not Teresa's Rav 4. Not sure what I believe but he makes compelling arguments to photo shopping. Here is a link to 1 of 4 videos about this he has made.
[video=youtube;PVOaLwf2Ka4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVOaLwf2Ka4[/video]

 

[missy1974]

12 days until Zellner is supposed to file her brief. I just checked the case history, and I don't see a motion for extension filed yet LOL Apparently she will be in court tomorrow and Friday for evidentiary hearings for the Melissa Calusinski case. It would be great if Zellner filed early, but pfft she's busy ;-)

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Did you guys notice the duct tape on the grill in the video that guy posted on Utube? I don't recall seeing it there before.

 

[missy1974]

Did you guys notice the duct tape on the grill in the video that guy posted on Utube? I don't recall seeing it there before.

I watched the video the other day.... and just took a quick glance again.... I don't notice it, what time in the video do you notice it?

 

[missy1974]

Great article... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/1...ned.html?_r=1&referer=https://www.google.com/

Ms. Zellner said she would file a motion next week to access DNA evidence collected from the crime scene and used against Mr. Avery. She plans to order new testing, some of which was not possible during the original trial.

She hopes that the new evidence, combined with new theories and the revisiting of old evidence, could be enough to free Mr. Avery, 54.

“There is evidence that already exists in the case that points to a different location and a different suspect,” Ms. Zellner said. “We’ve got a combination of forensic evidence and a tip from somebody that we’ve interviewed multiple times that we think is credible.”



some other interesting tidbits:

*her alternate suspect has not been presented before. (so I am guessing we can cross off anyone that have been brought up as alternate suspects in the court docs? lol)

* the testing she wants to do can be done within a few week, it's possible it will all be done within 60 days.

* spokesman for the Wisconsin Attorney General said “Of course, the attorney general wants to see justice prevail and will evaluate any new, credible evidence brought forward.” (I hope they mean that lol)

* One of the tests she would like to run would date SA's blood. (I think we have speculated about this but now we have confirmation.)

* the article says she would like to run additional testing on physical evidence, then says for instance.... Zellner believes the bones are planted.



And like a lot of us have said.... Zellner says “This is a crime scene that just doesn’t make sense”

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I watched the video the other day.... and just took a quick glance again.... I don't notice it, what time in the video do you notice it?

Sorry, it wasn't in the grill it is below the grill. If it was there all this time, that tells me she had an accident (deer) maybe well before any of this happened.

 

[missy1974]

This is the only photo I can find at the moment of the front of the RAV4. I don't think it's duct tape, I think it's the angle of the picture, but with this case.... who knows LOL

 

[Karinna]

Is there any condition report at all on the vehicle? I can't seem to find that info. when i do a web search.

 

[dexter75]

Great article... http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/1...ned.html?_r=1&referer=https://www.google.com/

Ms. Zellner said she would file a motion next week to access DNA evidence collected from the crime scene and used against Mr. Avery. She plans to order new testing, some of which was not possible during the original trial.

She hopes that the new evidence, combined with new theories and the revisiting of old evidence, could be enough to free Mr. Avery, 54.

“There is evidence that already exists in the case that points to a different location and a different suspect,” Ms. Zellner said. “We’ve got a combination of forensic evidence and a tip from somebody that we’ve interviewed multiple times that we think is credible.”



some other interesting tidbits:

*her alternate suspect has not been presented before. (so I am guessing we can cross off anyone that have been brought up as alternate suspects in the court docs? lol)

* the testing she wants to do can be done within a few week, it's possible it will all be done within 60 days.

* spokesman for the Wisconsin Attorney General said “Of course, the attorney general wants to see justice prevail and will evaluate any new, credible evidence brought forward.” (I hope they mean that lol)

* One of the tests she would like to run would date SA's blood. (I think we have speculated about this but now we have confirmation.)

* the article says she would like to run additional testing on physical evidence, then says for instance.... Zellner believes the bones are planted.



And like a lot of us have said.... Zellner says “This is a crime scene that just doesn’t make sense”

Whoop whoop!
Thanks for this!

If this all is true, I will be thrilled for him! Yes, HIM! Steve Avery, a victim too, in this case. He didn't deserve this if it wasn't him.

The KILLER, is free.

If this is proven, as KZ says it can be..

Teresa will FINALLY get Justice! Perhaps her family will go after the county and prosecutor who so blatantly, purposely deceived them!
I hope they do.

I also wonder, if the SA is guilty party will finally admit, (if shown through DNA evidence with the most up to date technology ) he in fact did NOT and could NOT have committed this crime. ( and yes, it's also proven who the real killer is with the same technology )

Until next time😉

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[dexter75]

Has anyone seen the videos on youtube a guy has made showing what he he feels is photo shopping of the Rav 4 photos? If true it would mean the Rav 4 on the Avery property was not Teresa's Rav 4. Not sure what I believe but he makes compelling arguments to photo shopping. Here is a link to 1 of 4 videos about this he has made.
[video=youtube;PVOaLwf2Ka4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVOaLwf2Ka4[/video]

This topic my friend, has been in question for a long time.
( whether or not the RAV4 was swapped )

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[BigCityAccountant]

This is the only photo I can find at the moment of the front of the RAV4. I don't think it's duct tape, I think it's the angle of the picture, but with this case.... who knows LOL

No it definitely is duct tape...and it is not there in the picture when the vehicle was loaded for transport....hum??? Now, I'm really wondering....
The duct tape is raised in one area...could the vial of blood have been taped there????

Both photos I took from http://www.stevenaverycase.org/unofficial-photos/

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Well, this is interesting...where that duct tape is..it is not in the picture when it is loaded in the crate. BUT, it appears and I'm no expert, but it appears to my naked eye to be a key box that was under it.

 

[Justiceseeker35]

Well, this is interesting...where that duct tape is..it is not in the picture when it is loaded in the crate. BUT, it appears and I'm no expert, but it appears to my naked eye to be a key box that was under it.

Incredible! Could it be the Spanish speaking men that PS and NS saw on the ridge had just planted that blood vial there with duct tape for MTSO to use inside the vehicle? A hand off. LE would have the gloves and the cotton swabs and expertise to place it just so without getting their dna/finger prints on it.

 

[missy1974]

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you are seeing BCA..... but I don't think anyone has thought about a "key box" before! I think it's just the angle of the first picture, I'm not sure what it's showing, and because we don't have too many good pics, it's really hard to tell.

Would explain where the key came from too.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Incredible! Could it be the Spanish speaking men that PS and NS saw on the ridge had just planted that blood vial there with duct tape for MTSO to use inside the vehicle? A hand off. LE would have the gloves and the cotton swabs and expertise to place it just so without getting their dna/finger prints on it.

That would fit in with KZ saying someone is talking...