Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #13

[Oldsoul2]

Noticed a lot of talk about God and the bible in her letters, on and on about how he will save her, deliver her from this, bad people, good people etc....it really disturbs and enrages me when people of the church commit unthinkable crimes and believe they are Gods will. I know this is a touchy subject but when she states in her letters that she is happy and Caylee is better off dead and God will save her makes me want to vomit.

Also did anyone notice that she likes to give "pet names" or alias names to people when referring to them giving Robyn cookie as an alias and then saying she wants to change it to Lucy lu......remember "juliette lewis" and all the other characters? She also talks about not giving people their 15 minutes of fame. It's as though she projects her life on a movie screen and as this case is so public and progresses it's almost like the reality of this movie actually comes alive for her. She lives in total fantasy land and has no concept of what is really happening. Her life is like a night at the improv! I would definitely not care about my hair if my daughter is deceased and I was being wrongfully accused of killing her and could possibly be sentenced to death....this is an obvious, completely apparent guilty person...no question.....the problem lies in entangling this psychological mess to show that these letters do show "admission" of guilt.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Tuba, Could the 'lovers quarrel' you spoke of in post #289 titled Pre-Hearing Prep have to do with the letters being released? (KC admitted to having a crush on her atty.)

Also, AL was noticably absent from Monday's hearing. Is she outta there? Has anyone heard? Just asking because of Tuba's previous posts regarding a possible departure from the team by Ms. Lyon.

TIA

wm

 

[Tuba]

Yes, certainly, some of the substance of the tiff could have been the letters and notes. She has a passing strange ladder of priorities!

I do think Jose Baez was wise not to object to the release of this packet of notes and letters. There is no ground for protecting them as jailhouse privacy is a nonentity and more important, they were unlawful. Further, the judge allowed that he would consider only a reasonable extension if requested but that they were going to be divulged. No point in delaying the release.

 

[Leomoon80]

Noticed a lot of talk about God and the bible in her letters, on and on about how he will save her, deliver her from this, bad people, good people etc....it really disturbs and enrages me when people of the church commit unthinkable crimes and believe they are Gods will. I know this is a touchy subject but when she states in her letters that she is happy and Caylee is better off dead and God will save her makes me want to vomit.

Also did anyone notice that she likes to give "pet names" or alias names to people when referring to them giving Robyn cookie as an alias and then saying she wants to change it to Lucy lu......remember "juliette lewis" and all the other characters? She also talks about not giving people their 15 minutes of fame. It's as though she projects her life on a movie screen and as this case is so public and progresses it's almost like the reality of this movie actually comes alive for her. She lives in total fantasy land and has no concept of what is really happening. Her life is like a night at the improv! I would definitely not care about my hair if my daughter is deceased and I was being wrongfully accused of killing her and could possibly be sentenced to death....this is an obvious, completely apparent guilty person...no question.....the problem lies in entangling this psychological mess to show that these letters do show "admission" of guilt.

Just (IMO), but I think it's more then obvious Casey is severely mentally ill and deserves pity (believe it or not), as any mentally ill person would.
Many of the mentally ill live in a "fantasy land" of their own.

But I also realize it's hard to do for most, to recognize mental illness when a crime has been so horrendous against others they are associated with such as in this case.

IF we look at Caylee's natal chart carefully and put Ceres (nurture) into her natal (which we have her houses and time of birth too),
we can see that Casey simply could not do this and was not "equipped" to do so .
The 12th house planets (a stellium) in Caylee's natal chart, shows not only Saturn (the loss or non-affect of a father archetype) in her life, but also
the other planets here, shows the mother's mental illness.

It IS after all, the 12th and the sub-conscioius or "hidden" things and reflects the mother as well in Caylee's chart.

With the 12th Hs. planets being the Sun (in Caylee's natal) on the ASC.
followed by the Black Moon and Mercury (in the same degree) followed by Saturn and the Sun opposed by Neptune on the 7th house cusp, or
Neptune opposite Mercury & the Sun, I think there is evidence of the mom (Casey) being mentally ill.

But that's again, just "imo"

Leomoon

 

[Leomoon80]

Presenting an "alternate view" here:


It's rather obvious to me that the Media, in particular the Nancy Grace show has gone out of their way (for sensationalism?).....to advocate that Casey (never ever never called her anything,btw, other then TOT MOM for 3 yrs that I know of or heard )
was pure evil in a "black and white world" of good versus evil.

This type of stance could easily as well been done with the Texas mom who drowned her 5 children. The media could have launched into a great campaign to promote the little girl, who was the only girl in the 5, and made her the poster child for pulling at our collective heartstrings.
The media could have chosen to depict this mother (Andrea Yates) , into an "evil possessed devil monster"
who had no conscience or feelings as a human being, as many mentally ill people seemingly do not have. Instead, they chose to see Andrea, as the truly mentally ill person she was (perhaps still is) who would carry out such an crime as she did.

The fact is, Mental Illness is not always so "obvious" as there are people who function quite well in everyday society and even hold jobs and in fact are still mentally ill to one degree or another, some worse then others of course.

But when we look into the "details" of this woman, everything she has done or alleged to have done, the letters, etc. it's all a sign of an extremely sick , unstable individual.

Leomoon

 

[Paulette]

Does anyone remember Caylee's birthtime? I've searched but cannot find her chart.

 

[Leomoon80]

Here is is:

Caylee Anthony: (saw the nursery that Cindy hung on the wall a plaque with the information years ago)

7:15AM August 9th, 2005 Orlando Fla.

 

[FifthEssence]

Housemouse provided this chart. If you go back to Thread #1, you will find MANY charts and discussions.
Thread#1: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68291"]Amateur Astrological Info on Casey and Caylee #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Soulscape]

Housemouse provided this chart. If you go back to Thread #1, you will find MANY charts and discussions.
Thread#1: Amateur Astrological Info on Casey and Caylee #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The time of Caylee's birth was distinctly 7:14 am, as in Housemouse's chart above. Several of us studied it to make certain.

Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[Khaki_Pants]

I'd be curious to know if the the charts show anything regarding whether or not there will be any real inquiry or investigation into the molestation claims. The reason is because in light of GA and CA being involved with Kid Finders and the CMA foundation and other orgs. for missing/exploited children, wouldn't LE kinda be obligated? Or others may see it as a very serious accusation and want it cleared up before giving these groups ANY support? Not sure.... But it really puts them between a rock and a hard place for sure.

KC devours herself by her own tail......... What a mess she's making.

 

[salvarenga]

Just (IMO), but I think it's more then obvious Casey is severely mentally ill and deserves pity (believe it or not), as any mentally ill person would.
Many of the mentally ill live in a "fantasy land" of their own.

But I also realize it's hard to do for most, to recognize mental illness when a crime has been so horrendous against others they are associated with such as in this case.

IF we look at Caylee's natal chart carefully and put Ceres (nurture) into her natal (which we have her houses and time of birth too),
we can see that Casey simply could not do this and was not "equipped" to do so .
The 12th house planets (a stellium) in Caylee's natal chart, shows not only Saturn (the loss or non-affect of a father archetype) in her life, but also
the other planets here, shows the mother's mental illness.

It IS after all, the 12th and the sub-conscioius or "hidden" things and reflects the mother as well in Caylee's chart.

With the 12th Hs. planets being the Sun (in Caylee's natal) on the ASC.
followed by the Black Moon and Mercury (in the same degree) followed by Saturn and the Sun opposed by Neptune on the 7th house cusp, or
Neptune opposite Mercury & the Sun, I think there is evidence of the mom (Casey) being mentally ill.

But that's again, just "imo"

Leomoon

We are not talking about someone here who was so mentally ill that she had no concept of right or wrong. Casey was a functioning member of society. Personally, I don't care what did or did not happen to her or what environment she grew up in that in itself is not an excuse for anyone to murder to their child. Everyday we all make choices. Unfortunately, Casey made the choice to murder her daughter rather. I will never feel sorry for Casey. Even if it does come out that something bad happened to her in her childhood. That is no excuse. Lots of people, myself included, have survived sexual abuse and grow up to be normal, loving parents. To insinuate that perhaps because something bad may or may not have happened to her that she was somehow bound to harm her child is a slap in the face to sexual abuse survivors everywhere.

Plain and simple, Casey was at a crossroads. She could have either chose to act like an adult and own up to her responsibilities as a parent or hand over her daughter to someone who could own up to those responsibilities. She chose neither and instead chose that she did not want her and no one else would have her either. She didn't do that to save her. She did that out of pure selfishness. She is evil, pure evil.

 

[nort]

I believe she was evaluated in the beginning of her incarceration and the testers were aware of her behavior and they found her fit. I beleive she has a personality disorder but not necessarily a mental disorder. Either way she is a sad individual and I am sorry she did not seek therapy to find herself and that others around her did not take notice of her complications in dealing with life.

 

[Leomoon80]

Ref:

The time of Caylee's birth was distinctly 7:14 am, as in Housemouse's chart above. Several of us studied it to make certain.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Fifth and Soulscape : Did you discuss what a one minute difference in time would mean to this chiild and her chart? Just curious what was discussed then as for certainty's sake?

I belong to an astrology forum (Vedic) that uses sub-subs, and all manner of sub divisions to rectify. Personally speaking they are WAY above my head on the matter of recitifcation, however they are the best I've seen in the industry today.
Here is a link about the method itself and the creator of the method:
http://www.astroamerica.com/v-khullar.html

What difference would one minute make in that several "studied it" and came to what type of conclusions then, to make certain?
Using Mr. Khullar's method, one minute would make a difference in deciding a death chart as to when etc.
We can liken the intercuspal theory to something like sub categories of dwadasamas (dwads) moreso then not.
But I'm still not convinced yet of the one minute being all that important.

Perhaps you or the others can explain it better as to the significance you all found?

 

[Leomoon80]

I believe she was evaluated in the beginning of her incarceration and the testers were aware of her behavior and they found her fit. I beleive she has a personality disorder but not necessarily a mental disorder. Either way she is a sad individual and I am sorry she did not seek therapy to find herself and that others around her did not take notice of her complications in dealing with life.

This may easy be seen in the charts of the parents, Cindy & George, as to the WHY they did not "take notice" of their daughter's mental illness.
It's really Denial on their part.

using astrology for just a moment, we might all recall back to the time when Cindy insisted that Casey indeed had turned the child over to Zannie or Zeneida (sic).?

Now really, Cindy HAD to know that Zannie never existed except as a "figment" in Casey's mind, afterall Cindy is an intelligent Gemini Sun, but one with a seriously afflicted Mercury because of it's square to Pluto (wanting to control every minuteau of her life and others too!)

To control the "out of control" circumstances of her family's life, she gives in to Casey and assumes (putting aside her logical self), and pretends not to not recall the "smell" and great concerns in the discovery of Caylee's disappearence in her life.

This logical bright, (Gemini Sun) is now displaced by the Mercury 29th deg.conj. "Alcoyne" (the Weeping Sisters), and instead, Mercury square Pluto becomes paramount (in her mind ) to saving her daughter.

She talks George into pretty much assuming the same posture, even though he expressed his deepest concerns publically and to the police about his daughter he "gives in" to his wife's desire to control and therefore, posisbly fabricate? their way through the growing angry media and court dates. We all saw the public debacles.

Neptune rules the day in the family charts (all of them).........

But I don't believe for one New York minute that the parents never saw their daughter's serious problems all along.
They chose instead of just ignore and deny,as it suited them to do so.

That IS the nature of Neptune in a family.

Secrets, and in this case, throw in Uranus & Pluto into the fray.

I think I need to ask myself, (and perhaps others would ask themselves too), suppose for a moment, that Cindy had a different natal chart, and decided to seek help (mental help) for her daughter (rather then take the control ), and told the truth (including knowing that Zannie was a made up figment) of Casey's very fertile imagination...........and Casey had been problematic for many years, what kind of plea deal (as talked about back then) would have gone down, and therefore the truth may have prevailed and been much better in the end for saving their daughter had everyone cooperated with the truth even KNOWING that Casey would rant and rail and suffer a "meltdown" over said truth?

We can't blame them for loving the only one left to love (Caylee is gone) but is this how we save the child from herself? By sheer
denial of the truth which stands in front of them?

This is also (awhile back), WHY so many people protested in front of their home, and had ongoing arguments with the family as they tried to leave their house each day. It got terribly brutal to see both Cindy and George in the "self-defense" Mode, not only of themselveds, but in the denial of Casey's crime(s) the largest one of course, Caylee.

This is not the first family to have a seriously mentally ill person in their midst and use denial to cover up the pain of it all or for whatever other reasons (psychologically) there may be. Secrets normally do destroy in the end.

I believe there is a tri-chart (Casey, Cindy and the event), and I'll see if I can post it here from another member who posted it awhile back, perhaps it was Housemouse.

 

[lolipop]

Right on Salvarenga all that talk was starting to get to me too! Everyone believed her to be a total liar until she made those claims about her brother and father I think sometimes our own emotions get in the way of the facts. Didn't Jesse say that she conforms to whomever she is with, if the letters are read people will see that her jailhouse buddy was talking about her situation and Crazy jumped on that too. I feel for anybody that has been abused it's heartbreaking but this broad is just plain selfish,liar and had everything handed to her unfortunatley Cindy enabled her ,Casey wanted to do what she wanted and be the center of attention while doing it JMO

 

[Leomoon80]

Astrologically, the dynamics break down to show the end result, i.e. Caylee
and her demise here: (since she is the only one we know the tob for)

Casey: Venus in Aries (in Detriment) square Moon square Neptune
Mercuryrx (thinks always in the past tense) never forward thinking
Mercury squares Mars Mercury squares Uranus and seisisquadrate to Pluto
(her Ceres or nurturing qualities) 4 Virgo squares the BML conjunct to Chiron the only aspects made to Ceres.

Sun (Casey's father archetype) conjuncts fixed star "Scheat" 28PIS squares Mars squares Uranus (erratic nature and isolating) squares Neptune (lives in a fantasy world)
Moon (Casey's mother archetype) squares Venus which opposes Uranus

(extremely harsh inherited aspects as well of her own of course as a soul, perhaps a "newer one")

George A. has Ceres in Pisces 9 deg. conj. Fixed star "Skat" (the murdered child) to nourish and nurture no longer

his Ceres opposes his Sun and opposes his Venus
His Ceres is the EXACT degree as his North Node (9Pisces) and puts his South Node exactly at 9 degrees Virgo conjunct his Venus 9Virgo. (Vindiamiatrix?)
Such a terrible personal loss was promised to him by the Natal Chart........
* his chart seems to show the most personal emotional loss of all of the family** I'm not surprised he was suicidal with these aspects over the loss.

Caylee : Ceres in Scorpio (in the worse degree imagineable, next to Algol connections)
that of 17Scorpio and it was conjunct her own I/C (foundation of the home)

Ceres- Squares her BML Quincunx to the North Node (death promised?)......or a life threatening situation perhaps - with the North Node and the quincunx (usually about health issues) BUT in her chart, it's connected to the Black Moon as well. (Lilith eats babies?).....isn't that the mythology?

Caylee's Ceres also is square to her Neptune (mother cannot nourish, nor can the others who do so, are underminded by Neptune's vibrations in this family)
Squares the Sun (life force) and opposes Sun to Neptune!


She was doomed before she began.........we can say.

 

[21merc7]

Psychologists on the crime news programs have this week posited that the prisoner may believe her own lies. They have not been following this case like a bloodhound or they would not think that.

Prisoner in mid-lie does avoid what she has done by deflecting her attention away from it, compartmentalising and refusing in a walled off way to look at it while lying. But she was very candid when living on the outside (I mean, at liberty) about her lying, telling her girl friends how much fun it is to lie. We read those emails and texts. She also admitted lying to the police and not once, but made many admissions of lying.

In jailhouse conversations, Lee also made clear he didn't want to hear any more of it, meaning her fabrications. He knew she was aware of what she was giving him and could very well control it.

For her entire life, she is stuck with Mercury in Pisces square Mars-Uranus and that is utterly purposeful, intentional and deliberate. What comes out of that hard and heavy square are acts and statements of the WILL. During the period when we have had the misfortune to know her, the square has been reloaded with Uranus overhead on her Mercury, right atop it and by her progressed Mercury coming right back to where it began. These are determined lies, fueled by the force of willpower.

Bumping for everyone to see. Thanks again Tuba!

 

[Paulette]

Bah Humbug! She sure didn’t look mentally ill in the nightclub photographs. When detectives took her to her supposed ‘job’ she led them through the door, down a hallway to her ‘office’, then BAM, she had to confess she didn’t have a job there after all. She knew it was a lie all the time. She tries to get away with lying, cheating & stealing, BECAUSE it’s always worked for her. Dollars to donuts her parents always saw her as a “little princess’ that could do no wrong.

Casey has the NorthNode at 0 Taurus. A new asteroid just posted today is "Tape". Her's is at 0:00 Virgo. Pluto was transiting at 29:57 SAG. Pluto had just retrograded from 0 CAP on June 16th 2009. Doesn’t that make it an absolute exact & perfect trine?

Tape transited at 5:43 SAG on June 16, 2008.

Now on to Caylee. Her natal asteroid “Tape” is at 13:16 Gemini. Mercury was transiting at 13:27 Gemini on June 16, 2008. Her natal asteroid “Medusa” at 20:24 VIR is conjunct Venus at 20:53 VIR . These were trined by Jupiter at 20:16 Capricorn on June 16th.

Casey has “Cosicosi” (indifference) at 22:35 Aquarius, sextile to Uranus at 22:21 SAG & they’re both quincunx to “Lie” at 21:51 Leo.

When I look at someone’s chart I try to remember that it initially belonged to the mother. The child is the inheritor from the parents.

I just looked at Casey's 2010 Solar Return. Asteroid "Caylee" is at 13:11 Gemini. My, my - what a small world. I wonder if she remembered on her birthday the tape she put over her daughter's mouth, inhibiting Mercury from crying out.

 

[Leomoon80]

well, like I said, originally when I posted, it was an "Alternate" opinion that I have of Casey and the dynamics of her family. I didn't expect it would be accepted by the masses.
I also had an "alternate" opinion about the Iraq War years ago, and Bin Laden, which was not accepted by the masses then either, although all these years later, seems that my ideas then are now the majority's today.

However, when it comes to Casey Anthony, and the idea that one can tell a "mentally ill person" by looks alone, or the FACT that she took the police down to where she worked to show them "her office" which in fact did not exist, what would a mentally balanced person have done?

Would the mentally balanced person act the same way?

I hardly think her actions in that case is proof of a sound mind, but quite the contrary.

In no way do I think that whatever led to her mental incompetence (if I am correct)
excuses her actions, nor do I think she shouldn't be tried and convicted for the crime.

I'm sorry however, her family stayed in denial and therefore Casey didn't get the mental health help she obviously needs desperately, which may in fact have even prevented this crime from occurring.

Just (imo)

 

[Oldsoul2]

well, like I said, originally when I posted, it was an "Alternate" opinion that I have of Casey and the dynamics of her family. I didn't expect it would be accepted by the masses.
I also had an "alternate" opinion about the Iraq War years ago, and Bin Laden, which was not accepted by the masses then either, although all these years later, seems that my ideas then are now the majority's today.

However, when it comes to Casey Anthony, and the idea that one can tell a "mentally ill person" by looks alone, or the FACT that she took the police down to where she worked to show them "her office" which in fact did not exist, what would a mentally balanced person have done?

Would the mentally balanced person act the same way?

I hardly think her actions in that case is proof of a sound mind, but quite the contrary.

In no way do I think that whatever led to her mental incompetence (if I am correct)
excuses her actions, nor do I think she shouldn't be tried and convicted for the crime.

I'm sorry however, her family stayed in denial and therefore Casey didn't get the mental health help she obviously needs desperately, which may in fact have even prevented this crime from occurring.

Just (imo)

No one can argue her lack of sanity......the problem lies in that it's difficult to tell truth from lies with her and whether or not this is a ploy to get off on a lesser sentence due to her "insanity"

I absolutely agree with you about how far it went.... to the point of killing her child but she, although she likes to believe, is not the first "mentally ill person" who has problems who kills someone because they lacked help. The jails are all full of them.Therefore it is irrelevant even if she was molested or not, crazy or not.....she committed an unthinkable crime and will pay the piper, no use looking back to know whether this wouldn't have happened, it did