Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #13

[21merc7]

Since today is supposed to be a Doc Dump Day, I am asking everyone to keep their eyes peeled for a time stamped "Order of Recusal/Order of Reassignment." It is literally only two paragraphs with those two headings. We know it was signed by Judge Strickland on the 19th, we just need to see the Court time stamp. (Docstop has a copy and so does WFTV, but they don't have the Court stamp on them.) TIA!

Tuba, love the new look of your latest chart!

 

[Tuba]

There is embarrassment, at the least and by the end of the hearing, there will be regret. Moon in House 6 tells us that because she is always six Houses after a House she upsets and that is the defense, holding House 1. There are monies for certain purposes that Defense will not receive but other changes and alterations too are coming because Common Signs cover all four angles of the chart: Asc, Dsc, Midheaven and Nadir.

Apart from the recent turn of Pluto, we have two important retrogrades affecting hearings now. Mercury is one and brings the defense new challenges directed at the way they express their points in court. It impedes Defense ability to complete what they had earlier planned. Saturn moving backward asks them to lay solid foundations based on reality and practicality. The floor is falling through in the strategy for defending the murder charge as Saturn rules the H. of homicide.

Finally, we no longer have the hidden agendae of intercepts but we do have an event in the nature of circumstantial developments, as marked in the right margin of the horoscope. Some of those consequences come from the jail communications, Ascendant in II, Mercury - Sun square Mars in House 3 of what is said & written. The Sign that reveals how we organise is Capricorn (found on murder 8) and its ruler being badly conditioned, not only retrograde but assailed by Uranus & Neptune, is being yelled at: Get this mess in order!

This chart itself does indicate that Judge Strickland knew his fellow jurist was available. See them together in H. 10 in Pisces. However, he would have recused himself anyway. He felt obligated to do that due to the allegations and the death penalty potential. He did not want to add grounds for appeal.

 

[Oldsoul2]

Needless to say, no matter why or what, this new judge sounds to me like he is organizing and taking control of this mess. It has been 2 years, it's enough of the defense stalling with motions, trying to find a needle in the haystack to have a leg to stand on come trial and trying to trip up the prosecution.....THEY WOULD NOT HAVE PUT THE DP BACK ON THE TABLE WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP...point finale. She's in for the hard core part from now on.......passive is not really what were about to see. I say FINALLY!!!!! This is the best thing that could have happened.

BTW...here is the link to the new doc dump:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0423/23242771.pdf

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Thanks so much for the chart and analysis, Tuba. I'm looking forward to some smackdowns in court, something I always wanted Judge Strickland to do more often. I've never seen a high-profile case to be so sloppily handed by the defense as we've seen with JB.

Thanks for the doc link, Oldsoul. Did JB really think the investigators dropped their hair in Casey's car? Did he really believe they were that sloppy? Did LE really expect Cindy's many vacuum cleaners to contain dirt, particles, and evidence from six months prior? Cindy's? The woman had a house full of clean white furniture with a two-year-old in residence, and they thought Cindy would have dirt in her vacuums? The woman who stores laundry bags inside plastic bags so they won't get dirty? Too bad they didn't start confiscating the day of Casey's first arrest after they KNEW Cindy had been cleaning away evidence from the car the night before. :shakehead:

 

[Tuba]

In The Murder Business, Mark Fuhrman's book on crime and the media, he describes the Anthony home as hygenically, clinically immaculate. My view on that is, Cindy being a nurse, knows what clean is and what dirty is and maintains a high standard accordingly. He also put it to the Anthonys, very gently and long ago, that their granddaughter was dead and he did not draw defiant response nor rejection of the fact nor resentment. Cindy cried and George nodded. It was a solemn moment.

Cindy was interviewed recently because she and George raced to the Nadia Bloom disappearance. I thought she was soft and restrained by contrast with the Kid Finder production, which was badly bungled. Of course, the entire interview was not available; it was edited and truncated.

Hearsay about Lee's opinion on the tragic loss of his niece is in documents we have read and is now airing on the crime shows. And Ts. Luka spoke for him a year and a half ago, "Again, when this investigation began, we did not know who was responsible for Caylee's disappearance. Mr. Anthony was going under the assumption she was kidnapped."

 

[LambChop]

After KC's accusations in her letter about LA you would think that if this statement that he "believes everything his sister has to say" was recent, that we should be viewing it as scarcasm on his part. jmo

 

[FifthEssence]

respectfully bolded & snipped

There is embarrassment, at the least and by the end of the hearing, there will be regret. Moon in House 6 tells us that because she is always six Houses after a House she upsets and that is the defense, holding House 1. There are monies for certain purposes that Defense will not receive but other changes and alterations too are coming because Common Signs cover all four angles of the chart: Asc, Dsc, Midheaven and Nadir.

Apart from the recent turn of Pluto, we have two important retrogrades affecting hearings now. Mercury is one and brings the defense new challenges directed at the way they express their points in court. It impedes Defense ability to complete what they had earlier planned. Saturn moving backward asks them to lay solid foundations based on reality and practicality. The floor is falling through in the strategy for defending the murder charge as Saturn rules the H. of homicide.

snip:The Sign that reveals how we organize is Capricorn (found on murder 8) and its ruler being badly conditioned, not only retrograde but assailed by Uranus & Neptune, is being yelled at: Get this mess in order!

That retro Mercury is going to cut them short on their embellishing language and superlatives when they FACE this Judge. No more opinions ( 'killing KC' - ' ugly coping' ). No nonsense here! Start addressing the court/the Judge, NOT the cameras!
Agree, the retro Saturn will require SOLID facts in order for the Judge to see their future motions and those of past (which they want to address again), as substantiated, worthy of the courts time and dollars. Prudence.

Let's see if someone attempts to challenge our new Judge Perry with a, 'do you trust me' statement or something to that nature. It won't be pretty.

When Andrea Lyon came on to the case, the defense asked for more time so she could review everything, get caught up, and I'm thinking the defense thought that a new Judge would require a good amount of time for him to get a handle on the past 2 yrs, which would delay the case even further into 2011. They may be surprised.
They have shot themselves in the foot as evidenced by our Judge Perry demanding certain ground rules will be followed without exception and within a specified time frame he will consider on the 30th, one without any waste and unnecessary added costs to the State...all THAT clarified before the hearing.

They asked for it, they're gonna get spanked by Saturn.

 

[FifthEssence]

I've brought these posts over from Thread #12 Jan-Feb. 2010 because they pertain to the present moment in time.

posted 1/19/210 - #558

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Amateur Astrological Info on CASEY and CAYLEE: #12

For your convenience, this post with the dates of the Uranus and Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions is copied above. Bear in mind, these transits augment and amplify the trine of Prisoner's Sun to her Uranus that is in place all year.

posted 1/19/210 - #559

As we consider the conditions surrounding this case, it is evident that outside influences impinge, some of them conspicuous. There was the report from the inmate of drama in the "dormitory" last fall, there were revelations from Lyon lectures and her book, the play based on the case onstage in Australia, the two letters within the last month.

More incursions will enter as the prisoner's progressed Sun trines her natal Uranus. An authority figure will offer unexpected help and her investigators, such as they be, will make big finds which may be specious but these will make a splash over the coming months. More
information from unofficial and questionable sources intrudes. The likely time for these depth charges to drop is when Jupiter and Uranus overhead combine on Prisoner's Sun. These dates have already been mapped.

Progressed Sun trine Uranus, from Fixed Star Baten Kaitos, also affects the temperament and the thinking. The prisoner finds herself more restless, rebellious, disruptive and dissatisfied with the status quo~the charges and the confinement. She is defiant & outspoken, ready to take risks with defense strategy and tactics.

Intolerance toward restrictions is so intense she wraps herself into a pretzel. All the old behavior patterns that worked in the past, particularly with family, are now questioned by members of The Team from whom she expected unperturbed loyalty. Prisoner wants her own way and breaks out spontaneously. The fidgeting we see in court will continue unabated.

Prisoner's natal Moon is in Cancer but her progressed Moon is one Sign behind that, in II. This will expose her weaknesses for all they are worth, laying bare her Achilles heel.

Strange synchronicity of events comes together this spring and this will create an opportunity she and The Team will seize. This is not some subtle behind the scenes action. We will know about it. The past and the evidence will rear its head, however, in dramatic tension with the new "findings" and opinions.

The present lull greatly relieves Prisoner, who is habituated to evasion and procrastination. The yeasty rise in spirits was apparent over this long weekend and recorded here. Attribute that to the deferred trial of the lesser crimes. Sun enters Aquarius tonight square Prisoner's Node and The Team sees a cartload of problems hoving into view. All of us country people alongside the road see it too.

posted 1/23/2010 - #579

Walking away from Colonial High where she should have graduated, the same CMA who couldn't get a jack game fingered the fastener and removed the leash from her middle. Liberation in progress.

There was an out of wedlock pregnancy as the prisoner's Moon progressed through her Sun Sign with the camouflage, tumult and deception this produced in Cindy's "virgin". Then the angel named Caylee was born. Liberty & license were curtailed. Emancipation pressed and strained against the family enclosure.

Prisoner's horoscope from that period is hugely marked. She absorbed a progressed solar eclipse at 19° Aries. Escalating rebellion against past restraints. She went to and fro with Jesse Grund and finally threw him over.

Post-eclipse, the prisoner slowly came under the powerful Sun trine Uranus influence which is in full force now. Even though a trine, if the aspect is not well managed, it becomes a perverse revolt against all limits, prohibitions and authority. Seeking and demanding strokes constantly, the native requires close and perfect attention but grants it to no one. There is great drama and intensity to every experience and the most minute stress provokes reaction. Irritable and excitable nerves stick out 6 inches and curl at the ends. I am remembering the crocodile snap from the prisoner as she was ushered into that first bond hearing. The rising fist from Defense table at her last appearance.

If the natal chart shows an affliction between Sun and Uranus, the progressed trine between these planets can never fulfill expectations. Because life is sped up and Uranus is pushing fiercely forward, every glimmer of favor is charged with outlandish hopes. "Surely THIS will move me on out of here!" The aspect is willing to take risks and reach outside the box but it is plain that Prisoner has exaggerated the bold stretches ad impossibile et absurdum. We started with the impossible and sped into lunacy.

The forward drive, the acceleration of Uranus, is an intoxicant for one confined to cell. Where does she go with it but into hasty strikes on the prosecution and offensives against witnesses and bystanders, anyone she can tag with a name, sometimes figments. The brusk and inconsiderate nature of Sun square Uranus is aggravated by the trine. So is the intolerance of restriction and the bristling impatience. She manufactures excitement and feeds on it, adding disruption to whatever the scene.

What beneficial changes do come her way are likely in April and May, from 22 through 6. Other positive dates have already been posted and involve the conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus to her Sun but opposite Saturn. Despite the forecast, due to the realities of the case, the advent of these changes will come suddenly and unexpectedly. There is one way to meet and befriend Uranus-Herschel in your life and that is to greet him and introduce yourself standing on your own bottom in honesty.

Please assess the prisoner in this regard, assigning points on your score card.

 

[Tuba]

8:20 Wednesday morning in Orlando, we will be under a Full Moon at 8°07' Scorpio, within one degree and thirteen minutes of Prisoner's Pluto. If she were housed in an unsecured environment, this would threaten violence. Since DORML-12 is protected, she benefits from custody but the culminating Plutonian Moon places her on a new course and brings major change. That will come in large part from the new case overseer, Judge Perry. Internal aggression increases under the impact on her Pluto and she is full of new ideas and initiatives (God help us!) She is exercising her sense of independence. She is headed straight for the wall.

As discussed in the progressions re-posted above, her Moon is moving through II and will before long oppose her early Sagittarian Saturn. This marks a time of disappointments, blocks in the way of the freedom she seeks and also misunderstandings. Morale is down in the cellar, despondency and depression find a grip and don't let go. Some extravagant and fanciful notions, many in the way of case expenditures, will meet defeat when progressed Moon squares natal Jupiter and turns a corner into the bleak Saturnian period.

Social urges are strong under the II Moon but thwarted--more so since the jail letter expose. This frustration plus indecision and over heated mental circuits shred her nerves and the agitation and restlessness we have seen continues unabated. Worry is intense, thoughts are scattered partly due to anxiety and Prisoner vacillates, often maddening those she deals with. This opposition brings touchiness, moodiness and suspicion. Particularly, she mistrusts those in authority. Control over others and the situation is what she wants (not even equal footing) but it is way out of reach. This aspect can bring a death in her circle, perhaps her grandfather P.

 

[LambChop]

When JS stepped down I thought, oh brother she is going to think all she has to do is snap her fingers, tell some more lies and they will have to give her what she wants. This judge must not make her very happy knowing he supports the DP. jmo

Was it Ted Bundy that tried to control the courtroom??

 

[Anais]

When JS stepped down I thought, oh brother she is going to think all she has to do is snap her fingers, tell some more lies and they will have to give her what she wants. This judge must not make her very happy knowing he supports the DP. jmo

Was it Ted Bundy that tried to control the courtroom??

Oh Yes Lambchop I do remember Ted Bundy in the courtroom with his antics of manipulation coupled with intensity, and attempted charm. You could look inot his eyes and see the gears spinning, always thinking and planning. He did try to control the courtroom didn't he?!

I don't think Casey will get away with such antics, however!

 

[Frigga]

Not sure if anyone has seen this, forgive me if you have. Judge Perry sentenced a woman to die and then attended her execution. On another case where he imposed the Death penalty years ago, Jeff Ashton was the prosecutor. Hope you are happy Mr. Baez... all I want is justice for an innocent, murdered baby- let the chips fall where they may...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYSUlmxldc&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Leomoon80]

Ref:

Please assess the prisoner in this regard, assigning points on your score card.

Score Card needs to include, imo, the parents and home enviornment as can be seen by the natal charts using Jungian psychological astrology.


1)Casey SUN (father archetype) square Uranus square Neptune square Mars ??
Sun conjunct "Scheat"

2)Casey MOON (mother archetype) quincunx to Saturn Square to Venus

3)Cindy A. MOON: opposes Uranus (prob. the probable event of Cayley's early death)
square to Venus square to Neptune
Neptune opposes Uranus

(note: Cindy's Mercury, Venus likely her Moon, Uranus, Neptune & Pluto NN Chiron and
Ceres - are ALL in Fixed Signs - stubborness to refuse to see what is right in front of her eyes if she wishes not to and that incudes daughter Casey as a child )


4)George A. - Uranus square both to Jupiter, Neptune with Neptune opposite Jupiter
has Moon likely in Fixed sign; Mars in Leo (fixed) Pluto in Leo (fixed) but many muteable signs as well, (i.e. Virgo Sun Mercury & VEnus)

George (muteables) would have caved in to the Fixed signs of his wife.

Casey wasn't born in a "vacuum" and as such, a part of this family dynamic.

(Keeping in perspective) the Prisoner who admittedly makes her own path as an adult but often the adult still contains the child within forever.

Leomoon

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_astrology[/ame]

It uses the horoscope and the archetypes of astrology to inform the psychological understanding of an individual's psyche.
Other significant pioneers include Liz Greene and Howard Sasportas who in 1983 founded the Centre for Psychological Astrology. Bruno Huber & Louise Huber also developed their own method of astrological psychology, referred to as the Huber Method which links to Roberto Assagioli's work with psychosynthesis

 

[Frigga]

Leomoon,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Would it be possible for you to elaborate a bit further on the interactions between the parents and child(ren) when you have these alignments? Is that even the proper term? I hope you understand my question. TIA

 

[Leomoon80]

Leomoon,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Would it be possible for you to elaborate a bit further on the interactions between the parents and child(ren) when you have these alignments? Is that even the proper term? I hope you understand my question. TIA

Well, I suppose it could be seen as a personal philosophy, and therefore, not really welcomed OR it could be seen as a Philosophy that an entire Astrological community of "pyschological astrologers" adhere to?

For me, anyway, I recommend this man's book the original one (smaller one)
entitled "A New Vision of Astrology" by Tad Mann as this book moreso then the larger more comprehensive really gives us the foundation of his theories.

Bottom line is the parents, foundation of the chart (the 4th and 10th house axis) is based upon mythological and collective images that come to us through the centuries, in the collective mindset.
We ALL therefore would agree that "mother" archetype in our chart is the Moon, whereas Father archetype is the Sun (in some instances, we can stretch the symbols to include Saturn as well)

But I don't think I can go further, as this is a "Forensic Astrology" Forum, and therefore, we study more the accepted symbols connected to forensics and crimes in the charts.

Don't want to divert. Other then to say, there is more in the charts then meets the eye. Or at least a Natal Chart such as Casey Anthony's being discussed here.

Here is another link that may explain more:

You possibly can read a bit here for clarification of these symbols in the basic natal charts.

"Family Dynamics by the well written Astrologer Erin Sullivan"

http://xrl.us/bhjesi (Link to books.google.com)


http://www.atmann.net/tma.htm Tad Mann theory Article Published by Mountain Astrologer Magazine






p.s. in no way do I say Casey Anthony should not "pay" for her crime to society and her child. I simply suggest that there is far more to her then meets the eye and it also can be found in the family dynamic. Sometimes, (not always) there is a shared responsbility for at least "catalysts" brought about in events.

Did Cindy want Casey to have an abortion for instance? or did the family insist she have an unwanted child? WHO wanted Cayley? I think it was the grandmother, Cindy and not Casey.
This however does not deny that Casey took the life of this precious child who was a gift to her. It simply speaks to the dynamics of a family that she was part and parcel of.
Ceres is about Nurture and also one's own ability to be nurtured.

 

[LambChop]

I think the A's have paid dearly.

 

[Oldsoul2]

On NG tonight, they were talking about the new discovery and the fact that they found a hair at the crime scene...I don't know if it's just me but ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Caylee was found 7 mths+ later in the middle of a wooded area behind a school where kids hang out. There are probably a lot of things they would find there not to mention the heavy rain storms that occurred during that time. I hope THIS is not what is making KC so cocky because it will definitely not change the verdict.

 

[Anais]

Well, I suppose it could be seen as a personal philosophy, and therefore, not really welcomed OR it could be seen as a Philosophy that an entire Astrological community of "pyschological astrologers" adhere to?

For me, anyway, I recommend this man's book the original one (smaller one)
entitled "A New Vision of Astrology" by Tad Mann as this book moreso then the larger more comprehensive really gives us the foundation of his theories.

Bottom line is the parents, foundation of the chart (the 4th and 10th house axis) is based upon mythological and collective images that come to us through the centuries, in the collective mindset.
We ALL therefore would agree that "mother" archetype in our chart is the Moon, whereas Father archetype is the Sun (in some instances, we can stretch the symbols to include Saturn as well)

But I don't think I can go further, as this is a "Forensic Astrology" Forum, and therefore, we study more the accepted symbols connected to forensics and crimes in the charts.

Don't want to divert. Other then to say, there is more in the charts then meets the eye. Or at least a Natal Chart such as Casey Anthony's being discussed here.

Here is another link that may explain more:

You possibly can read a bit here for clarification of these symbols in the basic natal charts.

"Family Dynamics by the well written Astrologer Erin Sullivan"

http://xrl.us/bhjesi (Link to books.google.com)


http://www.atmann.net/tma.htm Tad Mann theory Article Published by Mountain Astrologer Magazine






p.s. in no way do I say Casey Anthony should not "pay" for her crime to society and her child. I simply suggest that there is far more to her then meets the eye and it also can be found in the family dynamic. Sometimes, (not always) there is a shared responsbility for at least "catalysts" brought about in events.

Did Cindy want Casey to have an abortion for instance? or did the family insist she have an unwanted child? WHO wanted Cayley? I think it was the grandmother, Cindy and not Casey.
This however does not deny that Casey took the life of this precious child who was a gift to her. It simply speaks to the dynamics of a family that she was part and parcel of.
Ceres is about Nurture and also one's own ability to be nurtured.

Why not begin an alternative astrology thread for this subject as I and many others do also find this fascinating?! Just a suggestion. And thank you so much for your posts and work!

 

[FifthEssence]

Why not begin an alternative astrology thread for this subject as I and many others do also find this fascinating?! Just a suggestion. And thank you so much for your posts and work!

Appreciate your interest in Astrology. This particular Forum is titled FORENSIC ASTROLOGY and is dedicated to cases of crime.
Our astrologers in most instances do discuss the nature of many of those persons (via the Natal charts) who are associated with the crimes we are covering and how they relate to the crime itself or the missing person so there is no need to open another thread.
The A's are a perfect example.

We also have a Library with lots of information. Anyone who comes across a good book or internet site related to Astrology and the various categories, principles and disciplines, is welcome to post that info there.
Astro LIBRARY: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77609"]Astrologers LIBRARY - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Tuba, SS, Fifth & all astrologers,
How will the Scorpio/Taurus Full Moon affect Miss Thing (KC), Baez & The Dream Team?

Does the new motion that Baez submitted that argues prosecutors in the case chose to pursue the death penalty against their client because they knew it would break her financially have anything to do with it as well?
Will it cause KC & the A's to release a long held in power keg to explode? Will this set Cindy off to speak up after being so silent for so long? Will it affect George in anyway? TIA

I hope you understand what I'm trying to ask...it's been a long night/day with only 3-4 hrs of sleep since Sunday! :crazy: Pain not letting me sleep no matter how hard I try to get some sleep! :banghead:

The Scorpio/Taurus Full Moon, of which we will start to feel the effects on the evening of April 27, is a powder keg, triggering strong emotions. Tempers could flare as the Sun and Moon trigger stubborn Mercury in Taurus and feisty Mars in Leo. Words carry tremendous power now to heal or hurt, unite or divide. Impatience is likely, and impulsive purchases, flirtations or jealousy can get you in hot water. Keep a cool head at this Full Moon, and find a healthy outlet for your passions.
http://horoscopes.aol.com/astrology...ol.com/astrology/full-moon-scorpio-horoscopes

WESH link for reference on motion:
http://www.wesh.com/news/23277804/detail.html

:grouphug:'s & :rose:'s
:angel: