Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported Missing 7/15/2008: #8

[ishouldbworking]

like sweets, i only ask questions when i feel like i have found the right way to word them.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

A question for our super astro teachers...So far in every article about the memorial there is NO mention if Lee is attending it or not! I would think he would be there to support his parents & other relatives to celebrate Caylee's life but is there a chance he won't be present? I would expect him to attend but with how many times he has gone MIA you never know!

I just though it was odd that there is no mention of him or even his lawyer giving a PC about the memorial & his plans to attend! The only thing I can find about Lee from his lawyer is about his complaints about his upcoming depo with the civil case. :waitsec:

Unless I missed it with my fibro fog brain the last couple of days! LOL
I did manage to get the media posted today I didn't want anything to go unposted in case it releated to "The Span Of Truth" this upcoming week! LOL I will never let you all down if at all possible!


O/T
Thanks Rory I'm taking care of myself! That's why I stayed in bed almost all day today. It's weird but I'm so looking forward to my upcoming apt. Feb. 16th with my neurologist. He's the chief of the dept. at Henry Ford Hospital of Detriot, the other neuro's I had years ago sent me to him, they called me a too complicated case for them to handle! I just love to keep them DR's on their toes...Not really but I'd rather have the best DR available! I'm hoping he has some answers to this lingering neck pain & headaches. ":crazy: but true!"

 

[ishouldbworking]

Yes, maggots were retrieved (I think in the car evidence but there has so much evidence in this case I lose track) and will be able to determine some DNA material and possibly toxins.

Also, the bugs found at the discovery site will determine a window of approx one week how long the body was there so the possibility that it was moved while Casey was in prison will be argued but plants and insects will prove she was there almost the entire time.

ok - i know a lot can be told from insects and plant life found around the remains...but the maggots - i am assuming they were dead...will they still hold the answers if my asssumption is correct? do they decompose as well? may seem like silly questions - but i do know that maggots turn to flies if they are able to continue with their life cycle...but i dont know how long the actual cycle is.

 

[ishouldbworking]

Angel~i havent heard that LA will attend...i would like to be shocked if not, but unfortunately, this family is hardly ever shocking anymore.

 

[Rory]

ok - i know a lot can be told from insects and plant life found around the remains...but the maggots - i am assuming they were dead...will they still hold the answers if my asssumption is correct? do they decompose as well? may seem like silly questions - but i do know that maggots turn to flies if they are able to continue with their life cycle...but i dont know how long the actual cycle is.

The maggots, even if dead, can contain dna of what they were feeding and depending on how long the maggots were decomposing if they ingested toxins there may still be evidence of that left inside as well.

IIRC when the "garbage" of the trunk was retrieved the maggots were still alive on the outside of the bag so that would yield even more evidence and date the death.

How horrible that someone could do this to their child and then allow Caylee to be discussed in court in relation to insect activity.

 

[Rory]

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Thanks Rory I'm taking care of myself! That's why I stayed in bed almost all day today. It's weird but I'm so looking forward to my upcoming apt. Feb. 16th with my neurologist. He's the chief of the dept. at Henry Ford Hospital of Detriot, the other neuro's I had years ago sent me to him, they called me a too complicated case for them to handle! I just love to keep them DR's on their toes...Not really but I'd rather have the best DR available! I'm hoping he has some answers to this lingering neck pain & headaches. ":crazy: but true!"

I'm glad you're seeing a specialist. They like and need challenging cases like yours as it keeps everyone on their toes and that is how new treatments receive the needed funding that hopefully lead to cures or at the very least can manage the symptoms. Good luck and let me know how your app't goes.

 

[TruthMatters]

Yes, maggots were retrieved (I think in the car evidence but there has so much evidence in this case I lose track) and will be able to determine some DNA material and possibly toxins.

Also, the bugs found at the discovery site will determine a window of approx one week how long the body was there so the possibility that it was moved while Casey was in prison will be argued but plants and insects will prove she was there almost the entire time.

Thanks, Rory, for answering the question, this is good to know.

When you say, 'almost the entire time', what do you mean, for clarification? From the first time she was (and I hate to use this word) disposed of (no life should be 'disposed of') after her death or that her remains possibly were moved by someone else (which I take it you don't mean) or that nature could have possibly moved the remains because of the water retention, if even briefly?

 

[Rory]

Thanks, Rory, for answering the question, this is good to know.

When you say, 'almost the entire time', what do you mean, for clarification? From the first time she was (and I hate to use this word) disposed of (no life should be 'disposed of') after her death or that her remains possibly were moved by someone else (which I take it you don't mean) or that nature could have possibly moved the remains because of the water retention, if even briefly?

I know what you mean and it so hard to word the events knowing it was Caylee. I mean that Caylee was in the yard (I believe in cadaver dogs), Casey's trunk and then moved where they discovered the body probably around the 24th when George got close to the car or when she texted Amy that she got rid of the smell which IIRC was the 25th.

I really don't think Caylee was moved but I do think that Casey was trying to tell Lee in their "code speak" where to look.

 

[TruthMatters]

Hi ya TruthMatters and everyone ..First I would like to thank you all for such a wonderful and warm welcome from all of you.. I truly love this thread and it is the first one I read when I get online. I am also very grateful that housemouse explained her beliefs (as well as everyone elses) about how one can believe in God and be a Christian and still be able to learn from astrology... The knowledge that all have here and share so freely with us is truly a God given blessing to me and I am sure to so many others who read here....Anyway to answer your question about the book I got mine at BooksAMillion but I am sure you could pick it up at any bookstore or online..

It is in the same realm as "the book for Dummies series" on anything one may want to learn.. Mine was around $21.00 with taxes. The authors are: Madeline Gerwick-Brodeur and Lisa Lenard. I hope this helps..

And Tuba ...I will be asking loads of questions as soon as I can figure out how to ask the questions I need to ask..lol...I have "LOTS" to learn....

One side note I really hope the service for Caylee on Tuesday really does go off well and that we all remember this is for and about Caylee and no one else which some seem to forget all to easily..jmo...sweets

Thanks Sweets, for the price and the authors of the book, I will check it out for sure!

Yes, it is good to know that we of faith can learn from astrology as well and it adds to it instead of subtracting from it, like I was falsely led to believe. Never made sense to me that men from afar could find the baby Jesus by astrology and yet astrology was this tabu subject in my Christian upbringing.

Huh??? I was confused as a child ... can ya tell??? :waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[TruthMatters]

I know what you mean and it so hard to word the events knowing it was Caylee. I mean that Caylee was in the yard (I believe in cadaver dogs), Casey's trunk and then moved where they discovered the body probably around the 24th when George got close to the car or when she texted Amy that she got rid of the smell which IIRC was the 25th.

I really don't think Caylee was moved but I do think that Casey was trying to tell Lee in their "code speak" where to look.

Aaaah, okay now, that makes perfect sense and I do appreciate your clarifying that for me.

Yes, Caylee was in the backyard, for how long is a mystery - I'm thinking not long at all since Casey couldn't dig deep enough there...

...Oh! Horrible thought just came to mind, was Casey that evil that she took the one person who Cindy (valued most - Caylee - in Casey's warped mind of jealously) and not only took Caylee's life, thereby taking from her mother, Cindy - permanently what she valued most, but then out pure evilness and unadulterated spite toward her mother PLANNED to bury her in her own mother's own backyard??? Casey said, "Maybe I am a spiteful b_tch." Was this also her spiteful b_tchness?

I know Casey's evil but is she this wicked, nasty, evil???

Sorry, about that, I digress and in this case it's easy to do but back to you, Rory. I still have a hard time with Casey being able to drive around in that car that long with Caylee, as she was, and am wondering if the maggots could also reveal this? Time in the trunk that is?

 

[Rory]

Aaaah, okay now, that makes perfect sense and I do appreciate your clarifying that for me.

Yes, Caylee was in the backyard, for how long is a mystery - I'm thinking not long at all since Casey couldn't dig deep enough there...

...Oh! Horrible thought just came to mind, was Casey that evil that she took the one person who Cindy (valued most - Caylee - in Casey's warped mind of jealously) and not only took Caylee's life, thereby taking from her mother, Cindy - permanently what she valued most, but then out pure evilness and unadulterated spite toward her mother PLANNED to bury her in her own mother's own backyard??? Casey said, "Maybe I am a spiteful b_tch." Was this also her spiteful b_tchness?

I know Casey's evil but is she this wicked, nasty, evil???

Sorry, about that, I digress and in this case it's easy to do but back to you, Rory. I still have a hard time with Casey being able to drive around in that car that long with Caylee, as she was, and am wondering if the maggots could also reveal this? Time in the trunk that is?

I can't figure Casey out at all and for that I'm thankful. I'm not sure if Casey used the shovel to dig or to put sand over Caylee (the sand box had a lid), maybe she put her in the playhouse and then into the hamper/garbage bag.

Decomp fluids may have leaked onto areas of the yard as well when she carried her to the trunk.

The maggots and other anaerobic bacteria, if any was found, would definitely indicate how long Caylee was in the trunk.

I also don't think she was in there long - maybe 2 or 3 days because Casey didn't realize how quickly it would smell.

Casey was going home in between these times so she could have put Caylee there shortly after she killed her which LE think is the 15th or 16th and placed Caylee in the woods around the 18th.

A big guess on my part is the maggots and decomp test at the Body Farm led them to a time of death of the 15th or 16th.

They know so much more than we do.

 

[TruthMatters]

TruthMatters I posted the info in the Time-Stamped thread!

Here's the single link to my post with all of the info for everyone who might have missed it! :blowkiss:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3270134&postcount=116

NG is having a special on Tuesday starting at 12pm after the memorial. They announced it today on a commercial advertising it.

I at least can offer quick reference to information but am to shy to even try to post to many questions asking for help on reading the charts! LOL I'm the type to study on any subject as much as I can first before asking I don't want to sound silly! :crazy:

I too will be joining in on with prayers for Caylee with everyone! Should all do it at the same time like 10am Tuesday? raying:

Thank you so very much, Angel Who Cares, your name suits you so very well. We love you and appreciate all the great info you bring to the table but it's the love you bring with it that is most appreciated.

 

[MeenaMom]

Will all this be gone in the am ...Perhaps

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Cindy Anthony wrote an eulogy to her slain granddaughter Caylee Marie Anthony for publication in the Orlando Sentinel — her first public comments since the toddler's death was confirmed in December. A public memorial service is Tuesday.

Link in the Caylee Astro Time-Stamped thread didn't want anyone to miss reading it!
Thanks!
:angel:

P.S. TruthMatters Your Welcome! :blushing: :angel: I have edited to add more that post with other helpful info to of individual posts that housemouse made from Thread#1. I'm still checking through thread 1 to add more if I feel the would be helpful to carry over for anyone new & all of us beginers! So check back to it throughout tonight if I feel it is helpful I'll add them but I do recomend anyone how hasn't read through thread #1 to do so, there is a lot more helpful posts I didn't add to my post!
Amateur Astrological Info on Casey and Caylee
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68291

 

[MeenaMom]

Cindy Anthony wrote an eulogy to her slain granddaughter Caylee Marie Anthony for publication in the Orlando Sentinel — her first public comments since the toddler's death was confirmed in December. A public memorial service is Tuesday.

Link in the Caylee Astro Time-Stamped thread didn't want anyone to miss reading it!
Thanks!
:angel:

as beautiful as you are ..Angel...I think this is truly for the rehabilitation of Cindy's reputation.. nothing more.. So sad I think she loved her Caylee as much as a true Narcissist can...
I believe the public unfortunately loves Caylee the most ..With the exeption of GA...

 

[TruthMatters]

I can't figure Casey out at all and for that I'm thankful. I'm not sure if Casey used the shovel to dig or to put sand over Caylee (the sand box had a lid), maybe she put her in the playhouse and then into the hamper/garbage bag.

Decomp fluids may have leaked onto areas of the yard as well when she carried her to the trunk.

The maggots and other anaerobic bacteria, if any was found, would definitely indicate how long Caylee was in the trunk.

I also don't think she was in there long - maybe 2 or 3 days because Casey didn't realize how quickly it would smell.

Casey was going home in between these times so she could have put Caylee there shortly after she killed her which LE think is the 15th or 16th and placed Caylee in the woods around the 18th.

A big guess on my part is the maggots and decomp test at the Body Farm led them to a time of death of the 15th or 16th.

They know so much more than we do.

I have considered the backyard but knowing they have 2 dogs that most likely use the backyard to relieve themselves, they would have been going nuts back there and who knows... maybe they were. Pets should be confiscated as evidence in cases like these, I wonder what they might have revealed? Imagine what Kato (the dog) would have told about OJ?

I am hoping the maggots and other anaerobic (had to look that one up and did - thank God for http://www.merriam-webster.com/) bacteria tell the 'rest of the story'.

There is more to this story than has been told so far and I think we'll be even more shocked when it all comes out in the light of day.

So glad you mentioned the Body Farm, they were the first to confirm scientifically to the public, what LE already knew and most of us already suspected and Cindy said it didn't mean anything.

Between the Body Farm and the maggots, I hope it reveals the time in the trunk. Match that up with the evidence found on Suburban and we'll know if there is a gap in time between the two of if they fit; from trunk to Suburban where she was found and thank God she was! I remember when we thought she might not be but I always prayed that she would be - so BIGTIME thanks goes to God, who holds her now.

"Span of Truth" shine your light... shine your light!!!

 

[TruthMatters]

I personally believe that Kc is a true sociopath and yes she could be a spiteful ..
you would have to experience the Family dynamics to understand what makes her so hateful... I have.. I have never killed my child or harmed my child I have always understood that there is a higher power..But i really get the Kc Cindy Caylee dynamic like you would not believe... My family is their family...I was not a killer and Mandee grew up ok.. not unscathed but ok...My mom for her personal control needed to let everyone at the Party for my youngest know that "Mandee don't use your teeth I paid good money for those teeth" Thereby exerting her domination as top dog at a 3 year old's party....knowing I had no child support while mandee was growing up therefore she was the person to pay for pretty teeth..

My son Chris has a sociopath as a stepmom...I wonder constantly if i am evil to have attracted all these evil person's in my life.....
I don't know....They say if you wonder if your a sociopath you are not one.........
They do say that if you wonder if you are a sociopath..You are not.....I really pray that is true.........

MeenaMom, breathe big sigh of relief... YOU ARE NOT. You're familiar with one because from the sounds of it you were raised by one. Control freaks they are, with grandiose and ideations of themselves, they can perform on demand and they're always on stage. No room for the spotlight to be on anyone else - it's not about you - it's about them and only them and you are there only in a spectator, que the applause from audience - that's you - purpose. MeenaMom, you're not alone. Did I just describe your function in this dysfunctional relationship? Can I relate?

Thank God, the psychopath and I mean that because she comes with the violent tendencies with all the sociopath traits because they go hand in hand and actually accompany more personality disorders if you've ever checked out "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" online - just go from there but back to my 'horrible thought' which reminds me of the one I know and thank God, she's NOT in my family but in my stepsons - God Bless Them and her, too (keeps me from being afraid of her by praying blessing upon her) but trust her NO!!! Not happ-none cuz I'll have none of that happening!!! Can I be the run on sentence Queen, here? My thoughts seem to have tangled with the others but I will eventually unknot them for you.

I know the psychopath, the sociopath, the NPD, the pathological liar ... and okay... YES, I get it now! I do believe it was Casey's PLAN to send the ultimate message of murder and betrayal to Cindy but because of the fight the night before, with Cindy's hands choking Casey's neck, that Casey (in her warped, twisted and evil mind) feels justified in her actions and blames them all upon her mother.

Or is it just me???

 

[Angel Who Cares]

as beautiful as you are ..Angel...I think this is truly for the rehabilitation of Cindy's reputation.. nothing more.. So sad I think she loved her Caylee as much as a true Narcissist can...
I believe the public unfortunately loves Caylee the most ..With the exeption of GA...

MeenaMom I so totally agree with as sad as it is! As Cindy has said "it is what...it is".... I don't even think she wrote this on her own as sad as that is! I'm sure she had input Cindy would never allow someone else to have total control over it but it reads more like a eulogy written with help from BC to try to mend her reputation.

Unfortuntate for her the videos & past actions will never be erased from our minds or from the videos. I do feel so much sorrow for George & am still very concerned for his welfare. I know they all have suffered at the hands of Casey but Cindy enabled the majority of her upbringing. She chose to ignore the problems with Casey & in turn Casey took Caylee way before her time. That I blame soley on Casey along with Cindy not letting George step in like he wanted to, from what he told LE & FBI interviews. The others in the family mocked him & keep telling him to back out of it...his wasn't a detective anymore etc. I often wonder if George would have stood up to them all, what would have been....but George was to scared/weak/afraid to do so & is suffering the utmost worst outcome then he ever imagined would happen. I'm sure he feels so much guilt over it, where Cindy the blame goes out to everyone but Casey & herself!

We all have grown to love little Caylee so much & I was shocked to read other posters say in another post that it was impossible for us to do so.
I was actually cut down for caring so much about Caylee in a post...which I chose to ignore it. (Till now & not because of you either it just hurt me so much what was posted!) That just because this one case about Caylee brought me to WS's & to no other missing cases here etc. This is part of what was posted with one of my posts attached to it about having what I was feeling about Caylee & the memorial: Just because you (collectively) decided to get so emotionally involved in this one case doesn't mean you are owed anything by anyone. I won't say who it was out of respect for the poster. I have never felt I was owed anything by anyone & have never spoken too harshly about the A's except for my dislike of Cindy but never downright bashing her or hating her. I didn't decide to become emotionally involved in just this one case but Caylee herself drew me to her like no other case.
I do wish Cindy would have seen the harm Casey was doing to Caylee mentally etc., instead of trying to have everyone believe they were a "Leave It To Beaver" family! The poster has/had no idea how I have helped with other cases in the past in other forums (I no longer post or read them because of the bashing etc. & the loving caring members WS's has except for a select few that I guess enjoy hurting other's feelings), volunteering for other organizations, donating $ to TES etc. when I can, offering help to familes with missing etc. Just because I'm a somewhat newbie here dosen't mean I have never cared or grown to truly love any missing/abused child or adult! Sorry I guess this dosen't belong here but I felt the need to vent to get over the hurt! :blowkiss: Forgive me please!

It so hurt my feelings to read this yesterday when I found it posted it brought tears to my eyes. I knew I was a bigger person to not respond to the post at all. Instead I took my own time out. As you can tell it still is bothering me today, that why can't some just realize some of us have all grown to LOVE Caylee way more then her mother ever did.

Sorry I guess some of this belongs on the rant thread!

 

[TruthMatters]

Angel Who Cares & MeenaMom, you are strong and mighty, more than you know. I don't know why I had to write that to the two of you but I did and so I did.

 

[TruthMatters]

Eleanor Roosevelt: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

How does this famous quote play into this forum? Like astrology is the 'choice revealer' and NOT the 'choice maker', so is this famous quote if you take it to heart to renew your mind to make the RIGHT choices and not abide by someone else's poor choices.

George Anthony, yes I feel for him as I feel for Cindy and Lee but why have they become inferior to Casey???

To the point that they will sacrifice their own reputations and well being for a known liar and deceiver, and I will add - murderer, as my own opinion to the mix, so she can get away with murder??? What's wrong with this picture?

They will find no peace in being frauds and covering for another's grave and injustice sins. They can still love and support Casey but NOT by betraying Caylee - they will have no peace of mind by doing so and they know it deep down inside, they know it but like the old saying goes, "Jump ship or go down with the captain." Unfortunately for them they're on the Titanic.

Are they so lacking in their own true identities that they will sacrifice their own for hers??? When is it time for them to take back the truth, and reveal it, that is in each of them to reclaim their own identities???