Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX

[FifthEssence]

For those who have not been following this thread since Hailey went missing, know that this POI has been discussed quite a few times (had been referred to as '630' /'MALE'/'Male630'), not limited to what points to his participation but the nature of the animal as well.


SUNRISE NATAL

EVENT TRI-WHEEL LAST SEEN

EVENT TRI-WHEEL REPORTED MISSING
(this Tri-Wheel was discussed in depth earlier)
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5987614&postcount=61"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX[/ame]

 

[katydid23]

SUNRISE NATAL

EVENT TRI-WHEEL LAST SEEN

EVENT TRI-WHEEL REPORTED MISSING
(this Tri-Wheel was discussed in depth earlier)
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - HAILEY DUNN 12/27/10 Colorado City, TX

The exact Mercury / Pluto square @ 1 degree Leo/Scorpio really stands out to me. I can see how he could be charming, with that Sun/Neptune opposition and the Cancerian influence, which might make people see him as sweet and sensitive and harmless. But the Mercury exactly square Pluto in the first degree of those fixed signs can be very domineering, controlling, inflexible and even sadistic. He would be very insistent and patient, yet single minded in getting his desires met.

Also, his Cancerian Sun and Mars may want to look tougher and more masculine by shouting out in those Mercury in Leo masculine voices. That may also be where those masks come into play---to hide any fears of not being masculine enough.

 

[marlame]

In the SAR (Search and Recovery) Thread in the Parking Lot here on WS--

see here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125084&page=19

They are working on maps to coordinate search efforts for the locals. I told them about what our esteemed Astrologers here in the FA thread have identified as places to search for Hailey. They have posted a map for astrologers to look at and would welcome your thoughts and feedback to confirm.

Here is the specific post: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6016445&postcount=462"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

They are very talented in mapping grid areas!!!! Also, Sarx is a verified expert in SAR and K9SAR. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Marla

 

[marlame]

We are not naming names but I trust you know of whom we speak.

The tri-wheel below shows the REPORTED MISSING wheel in the center, surrounded by Hailey Dunn's natal chart (cast with SUN on ASCENDANT at Event location) and the natal chart of the last person to have allegedly seen her (cast with SUN on ASCENDANT at location of Event).

I have made several call-outs which I hope to clarify in commentary below this chart.

The abbreviation SP in the call-outs stands for 'Secondary Progressed'.

PNE = Prenatal Eclipse

In her posts above, Tuba has already delineated important interaspects between the charts of Hailey Dunn and MALE630, as well as interactions with the alleged LAST SEEN. I will try not to repeat her observations, but instead, add to them.

As mentioned in previous postings, the LAST SEEN and REPORTED MISSING charts are similar in that they both exhibit a late degree of Taurus Rising and place Lord 1 VENUS (Hailey) in the unfortunate 6th House. Planetary movement over a 24 hour period is slight. MOON has moved from 02 Libra (House 5) in the LAST SEEN to 16 Libra (House 6 in the REPORTED MISSING.

You may recall the 02 Libra MOON placement in the LAST SEEN is in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), foretelling catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality. The 16 Libra MOON position in the REPORTED MISSING is partile (same degree) conjunct Event SATURN, a death marker, and close square Hailey's natal MOON 15 Cancer (sunrise position), which is unfortunately afflicted by its uncomfortably close conjunction to MALE630's natal MARS (aggression), 13 Cancer.


*****

Recall the LAST SEEN ASCENDANT degree of 29 Taurus, on ALCYONE, the Weeping Sisters giving something to cry about, while the REPORTED MISSING chart shows 26 Taurus, partile conjunct ALGOL, the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens and associated with losing one's head, literally or figuratively. Notice the positions of MALE630's prenatal solar eclipse (28:50 Taurus) and Asteroid TORO (brutality) 29:27 Taurus. We could certainly say they are smack thereon both Ascendants...


*****

MALE630 has secondary progressed SUN at 02 Leo, partile conjunct REPORTED MISSING Part of DEATH, which itself is (1) in Fateful Degree and (2) partile opposed Event TORO (brutality) 02:19 Aquarius (not shown). His secondary progressed MARS is tightly conjunct, posited at 00 Leo, exact square to Hailey's secondary progressed CHIRON (wounding) 00:53 Scorpio.

REPORTED MISSING SUN/MOON midpoint (not shown) is 26 Scorpio: exactly on House 7 cusp (the perp), exactly opposite the ASCENDANT 26 Taurus (Hailey), close opposed MALE630's prenatal solar eclipse - natal TORO conjunction.

MALE630's secondary progressed MOON (based on sunrise natal) at 16 Scorpio conjuncts the weak and helpless Hailey, VENUS 20 Scorpio. Twenty four hours earlier, the conjunction was tighter with VENUS - Hailey at 19 Scorpio, partile conjunct SERPENTIS, the cursed degree of the cursed sign.

As mentioned in a previous post, Event Asteroid SEAN at 19 Pisces partile squares Event Lord 5 the Child MERCURY (Hailey) 19 Sagittarius and close opposes Hailey's secondary progressed SUN at 18 Virgo. Event Asteroid SEAN also close conjuncts Hailey's prenatal solar eclipse degree, 18:30 Pisces.

Needless to say, the interaspects amongst the charts are disturbing in the highest degree.



Thanks,
Soulscape[/quote]

Hi Soulscape, I found an asteroid named Dunn (13849). I didn't know if this would be useful or not but I thought it was interesting.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=13849+Dunn

Asteroid Dunn was Discovered 1999 Dec. 7 by the Lincoln Laboratory Near-Earth Asteroid Research Team at Socorro.
Named in honor of Deborah A. Dunn for mentoring a finalist in the 2001 Discovery Young Scientist Challenge (DYSC), a middle school science competition. Dunn is a teacher at the Mesa Union Junior High School, Somis, California.

 

[marlame]

In the SAR (Search and Recovery) Thread in the Parking Lot here on WS--

see here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125084&page=19

They are working on maps to coordinate search efforts for the locals. I told them about what our esteemed Astrologers here in the FA thread have identified as places to search for Hailey. They have posted a map for astrologers to look at and would welcome your thoughts and feedback to confirm.

Here is the specific post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


They are very talented in mapping grid areas!!!! Also, Sarx is a verified expert in SAR and K9SAR. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Marla

Sorry to Quote myself...I tried to edit my earlier post to add this, but I could no longer edit.

Here is another link posted by sarx (Post #465)for you to a map showing an "arc" of the 12 mile range in the N NW area:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6016470&postcount=465"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Thanks!!

 

[Tuba]

When Hailey vanished on December 27, asteroid DUNN was 4°52'06" Sagittarius. By the time the two girls who had walked with her were interviewed, Venus of young girls was there. What this may indicate is just that the subject of the interview was Hailey. That's due to the last name Dunn also being the name of the town in Scurry County. But the town has a part to play in Adkins' movements too: see posts from January 8. It appears you have already read them. Since we allow our imagination free range with these asteroids, I take heart from the cadaver dogs at the dump site because Mercury was 20°06' Sagittarius and ruled Hailey in the last seen and that is the placement of asteroid Beagle!

 

[passionflower]

Tuba,
Thanks for this info.
I went back and read all of Jan 8th. So LE is close but haven't found Hailey.
If I read correctly, 2 hits by dogs, but nothing.
LE has left the landfill search.
Could they have missed her there???

 

[Beedorahdee999]

I am just wondering how come the place and time of birth is not being considered.

 

[Tuba]

Why don't you consider it for us, Beedorahdee999? We don't have it.

 

[Leomoon80]

I am just wondering how come the place and time of birth is not being considered.

As mentioned, we don't have it to consider, yet IF you do, I would be more then happy to then erect a new natal chart for the Ascendent and houses for Hailey Dunn.

More often then not, we aren't privvy to such personal information, unless a relative comes on line to give it to us.,or perhaps a close friend.

 

[SagMoonRising]

Does anyone have an account with this site?

Maybe it could help to try to find her place and time of birth?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...y&uidh=000&msbdd=28&msbdm=8&_83004003-n_xcl=m

sagmoonrising

 

[Soulscape]

To those of you concerned regarding Hailey Dunn's time and place of birth:

It is very rare that we are provided with or can recover the victim's time of birth; less rare that we can obtain place of birth. However, in over 14 years working with astrology charts from a forensic perspective, I have found time and again that the natal chart constructed with SUN at ASCENDANT degree for the Event location provides uncanny, and often startling accurate insights.

In the few instances where true time and place of birth is presented to us, we are naturally overjoyed and immediately cast the corrected natal chart.

To the natal Astrologers here reading, please keep in mind that the forensic and horary methods I employ on this Forum are somewhat different from, and more expansive than, what you may be used to employing in your own practice.

I cannot comment on the methods that 'work' for other astrologers, but only tell you what works for me.

Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[FifthEssence]

In the SAR (Search and Recovery) Thread in the Parking Lot here on WS--

see here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125084&page=19

They are working on maps to coordinate search efforts for the locals. I told them about what our esteemed Astrologers here in the FA thread have identified as places to search for Hailey. They have posted a map for astrologers to look at and would welcome your thoughts and feedback to confirm.

Here is the specific post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

They are very talented in mapping grid areas!!!! Also, Sarx is a verified expert in SAR and K9SAR. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Marla

Sorry to Quote myself...I tried to edit my earlier post to add this, but I could no longer edit.

Here is another link posted by sarx (Post #465)for you to a map showing an "arc" of the 12 mile range in the N NW area:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks!!

I just received a communication from Soulscape.

SOULSCAPE WROTE:

'this is speculative at best although I sincerely pray it will be helpful. I will try to get back to our sleuths later this evening with add'l thoughts if I feel I can expand on the following.'

Her significator VENUS in the cadent 6th House in both the Last Seen and
Reported Missing. Definitely hard to find. VENUS in Scorpio suggests water/
smelly/ dankly place. Part of Death was in Leo --- near some kind of
entertainment area? playground? gambling casino, etc?

Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by
MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question.

 

[Beedorahdee999]

Does anyone have an account with this site?

Maybe it could help to try to find her place and time of birth?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...y&uidh=000&msbdd=28&msbdm=8&_83004003-n_xcl=m

sagmoonrising

According to that site all it says is that HD was born in Scurry, that could just be the county and not the town, although the county is close to track it is not exact and could be something to work with. I have studied natal astrology for many years and if I knew more about the girl her personality etc I could probably give you a good guess on what time I think she was born, have done that with other people and have been told I was right.

I have looked at a couple of the charts displayed where someone has put Death on the outside and to me it suggests that it happened between noon and 2pm on the day she was supposedly seen missing at 3:15 and the other around 2am. If I knew her time of birth I could give a closer time.

She can't possibly be seen alive if death occurred at either of those times.

 

[Beedorahdee999]

I just received a communication from Soulscape.

SOULSCAPE WROTE:

Her significator VENUS in the cadent 6th House in both the Last Seen and
Reported Missing. Definitely hard to find. VENUS in Scorpio suggests water/
smelly/ dankly place. Part of Death was in Leo --- near some kind of
entertainment area? playground? gambling casino, etc?

Part of Death disposited by SUN in Capricorn. VENUS in Scorpio disposited by
MARS in Capricorn. Even MOON was in Libra, disp. by VENUS disp. by MARS, so Capricorn locations not out of the question.[/B][/COLOR]

Since I deal with natal astrology and am familiar with that and have worked with the wheel as if it was a clock to me the 6th house would represent between 4pm and 6pm so I think that instead of Venus being in the 6th house it should be in the 5th, and that is just working with the supposedly 3:15 last seen time. If we are to adjust it accordingly that would move everything one house back and might give us better clues and possibly her birth time. This is just my opinion and maybe it will help hopefully.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I'm a member of Ancestry.com, and have been for years. The Texas birth records listed on Ancestry only give the county of birth, not the town or time. Syder, Texas, is the County Seat of Scurry County. There's a good chance she was born in Snyder since many of the family live there.

We've been hindered before by not even knowing that much, and our wonderful astrologers here have been able to give us wonderfully accurate information in spite of the lack of exact information.

Of course, any additional information helps.

I tend to believe the only accurate last seen time was about 9 PM on Sunday when her brother says he last saw her.

How does that work in your calculations, Beedorahdee999?

9PM Last Seen Chart puts Mercury, N. Node, Pluto, Sun, and Mars in the 5th house; Neptune, Chiron, and BML in the 7th; Uranus and Jupiter in the 8th. It's interesting.

 

[Beedorahdee999]

Is there a chart that uses the 9pm last seen? I would put last seen in the 8th house as that would represent 9pm and try going from there. Here is an example of how I use the wheel as a clock the 1st house being ascendant is the time the sun rises usually between 6 and 8am so if you go to the next house that would be 8-10 am and so on around the wheel, does this make sense or help in any way?

 

[Leomoon80]

Is there a chart that uses the 9pm last seen? I would put last seen in the 8th house as that would represent 9pm and try going from there. Here is an example of how I use the wheel as a clock the 1st house being ascendant is the time the sun rises usually between 6 and 8am so if you go to the next house that would be 8-10 am and so on around the wheel, does this make sense or help in any way?

Excellent point from Slueth about the 9PM (December 26th 2010) timeframe when she was seen playing a Video game according to her brother (and I think her mother saw her too this time)
After that who know? Something about,"I thought I saw her under the covers the next morning, but cannot say for certain now" as Billie looked into the bedroom to see her daughter there, (she thought) before going to work that day.

So 9PM is confirmed.

I'll post a chart and perhaps Bedorahdee can give more insight into what you mean.
We should be looking at that chart anyway I would think.

All the other timed events other then the 911 call are question marked now.

p.s. does anyone know IF the B.F. was staying overnight this night when Hailey was playing this Video game? I know he went to work the next morning, but where did he sleep that night?

 

[jnTexas]

Excellent point from Slueth about the 9PM (December 26th 2010) timeframe when she was seen playing a Video game according to her brother (and I think her mother saw her too this time)
After that who know? Something about,"I thought I saw her under the covers the next morning, but cannot say for certain now" as Billie looked into the bedroom to see her daughter there, (she thought) before going to work that day.

So 9PM is confirmed.

I'll post a chart and perhaps Bedorahdee can give more insight into what you mean.
We should be looking at that chart anyway I would think.

All the other timed events other then the 911 call are question marked now.

p.s. does anyone know IF the B.F. was staying overnight this night when Hailey was playing this Video game? I know he went to work the next morning, but where did he sleep that night?

Yes he was there overnight. he lives there and BD stated he left for work at 5:30am

 

[Leomoon80]

Slueth: Remember, the following day, the neighbor says she saw Hallie on the phone in the backyard at Noon time (or so) .



Vesta Quincunx the MC

Ruler of the chart, (the Sun) found in house 5 same degree as Pluto or both 5Capricorn.